It sounds great to just surround Glennon with a bunch of great players who don't make mistakes, but it's really hard. Every team wants great players at every position, but in a sport with weighted draft picks and a salary cap, it's impossible. To be a good team, your QB has to be able to make plays when other players have breakdowns. There's just no way around it. Good teams are good because they make opposing QBs play bad. You have to be able to overcome that.
This line of thought applies with elite QB's to an extent. But the rest of the QB's in the league (25+) you need a decent, competent supporting cast or else it doesn't matter. Rivers looks a lot better with a decent cast around him now and Manning/Roethlisberger are no different when given decent support.Bucs did not have a competent supporting cast on offense and it is evident why Freeman and Glennon struggled.
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Freeman wasn't a rookie in 2012Glennon was a rookie QB leading our offense without Doug Martin, Mike Williams & Carl Nicks...
It sounds great to just surround Glennon with a bunch of great players who don't make mistakes, but it's really hard. Every team wants great players at every position, but in a sport with weighted draft picks and a salary cap, it's impossible. To be a good team, your QB has to be able to make plays when other players have breakdowns. There's just no way around it. Good teams are good because they make opposing QBs play bad. You have to be able to overcome that.
This line of thought applies with elite QB's to an extent. But the rest of the QB's in the league (25+) you need a decent, competent supporting cast or else it doesn't matter. Rivers looks a lot better with a decent cast around him now and Manning/Roethlisberger are no different when given decent support.Bucs did not have a competent supporting cast on offense and it is evident why Freeman and Glennon struggled.
Everyone needs to step up. The players around Glennon need to reduce the amount of pressure he has to deal with and when Glennon is pressured, he has to play better.
It sounds great to just surround Glennon with a bunch of great players who don't make mistakes, but it's really hard. Every team wants great players at every position, but in a sport with weighted draft picks and a salary cap, it's impossible. To be a good team, your QB has to be able to make plays when other players have breakdowns. There's just no way around it. Good teams are good because they make opposing QBs play bad. You have to be able to overcome that.
Seriously. This common theme of if your put an all-star team around him he'll be acceptable is great, but it's not reality.
It sounds great to just surround Glennon with a bunch of great players who don't make mistakes, but it's really hard. Every team wants great players at every position, but in a sport with weighted draft picks and a salary cap, it's impossible. To be a good team, your QB has to be able to make plays when other players have breakdowns. There's just no way around it. Good teams are good because they make opposing QBs play bad. You have to be able to overcome that.
This line of thought applies with elite QB's to an extent. But the rest of the QB's in the league (25+) you need a decent, competent supporting cast or else it doesn't matter. Rivers looks a lot better with a decent cast around him now and Manning/Roethlisberger are no different when given decent support.Bucs did not have a competent supporting cast on offense and it is evident why Freeman and Glennon struggled.
Everyone needs to step up. The players around Glennon need to reduce the amount of pressure he has to deal with and when Glennon is pressured, he has to play better.
The current players on the roster the Bucs have reached their limit or are in decline. Normally when an OL reaches their 30's it is their prime years for a variety of reasons but Penn and Joseph have slumped really badly. Glennon of course needs to improve but by putting him in an offense that doesn't require so many five step drops and have decent slot options you minimize his big weakness (taking sacks). Glennon can improve his quicker play recognition and releasing the football but the rest is something coaches and added personnel can help with.
It sounds great to just surround Glennon with a bunch of great players who don't make mistakes, but it's really hard. Every team wants great players at every position, but in a sport with weighted draft picks and a salary cap, it's impossible. To be a good team, your QB has to be able to make plays when other players have breakdowns. There's just no way around it. Good teams are good because they make opposing QBs play bad. You have to be able to overcome that.
Seriously. This common theme of if your put an all-star team around him he'll be acceptable is great, but it's not reality.
You don't need greatness but at least NFL average. Glennon isn't NFL average yet but he has some metrics (as a rookie) that show he can improve to that or a bit more). Not sure if there is any room left for Penn or Joseph to improve. Zuttah is a toss up but we know Underwood is strictly a split end that should run go or skinny posts routes not a slot WR.
There is a real big gap between "a decent supporting cast" and "surround him with all pros". Come on now, Glennon's #2 reciever was an UFA that had converted from WR to TE to get a roster spot. This was his first year to play that position and first year in the pros.People gush about Colin Kaepernick but always seem to forget he is supported by one of the best defenses in the league, possibly the best oline, Harbaugh as his coach, and Crabtree, Boldin, Davis, and Gore at the skill positions. Do you really think that bunch doesn't help Kap out just a little bit?
Even if the Bucs draft a QB the need to have NFL average at slot WR, and OL is still immediate. I didn't like how Dominik neglected the offense at times during his tenure (either slot WR or third down RB) especially given he didn't draft many OL players.
best of a bad bunch...*sigh*We need to look really freakin hard this offseason to un - eff the QB situation.Would like another young QB guy to come in and challenge Glennon. and a vet.Our QB situation REMAINS the largest question mark. We need to apply some resources to it. 3 (or 4) QB's on the roster makes sense too much sense.
It sounds great to just surround Glennon with a bunch of great players who don't make mistakes, but it's really hard. Every team wants great players at every position, but in a sport with weighted draft picks and a salary cap, it's impossible. To be a good team, your QB has to be able to make plays when other players have breakdowns. There's just no way around it. Good teams are good because they make opposing QBs play bad. You have to be able to overcome that.
who said anything about needing a bunch of "great" players at those positions. Last year Glennon played on a team with below-average play at most positions, didn't he?. .. when it was not below average, he won, didn't he?I don't really have a dog in the fight - I am not sold on Glennon - but certainly he proved enough as a rookie, on that horrible team, to get another shot?
It sounds great to just surround Glennon with a bunch of great players who don't make mistakes, but it's really hard. Every team wants great players at every position, but in a sport with weighted draft picks and a salary cap, it's impossible. To be a good team, your QB has to be able to make plays when other players have breakdowns. There's just no way around it. Good teams are good because they make opposing QBs play bad. You have to be able to overcome that.
Agreed 100%. Great QBs can cover up deficiencies in many other places. It shouldn't be a surprise that might was bad when pressured. I would imagine many QBs, if not all, drop off significantly when pressured. I would also imagine the good ones drop off much less than Mike.If Mike needs help all around to be great, it isn't going to work. However if he just needs a little more help and some more experience then we might be able to roll with him. Here's a few stats that might tell a better story. League average rushing is 113 yards per game. I looked up Mikes passing stats in games where we rushed for more than 100 yards, as a team. Not talking individual rushers over 100, I'm talking total rushing with starter, back up and Mike himself running for 100 yards combined. First of all that was 5 games, out of 13 that mike started. Secondly we eclipsed the LEAGUE AVERAGE just 4 times all year while Mike was starting. Pretty pathetic for a run based team huh? Anyways, here are the stats...81completions of 128 attemtps for 884 yards with 9TDs and 3INTs for a passer rating of.....97.3 with a 7.0 YPAI didn't look up the losses I think I made the point that even with the receiving core being hurt Mike was effective when we had a running game. Many of those other games we were held below 75 yards total which is complete domination. We don't need a dominating run offense but we do need some average level of one for rookie Mike Glennon. Maybe a new scheme and another year and those games when our run game was shut down will be overcome by Mike. Who knows. Oh, by the way we were 3-2 when we rushed for 100 yards under Mike Glennon.
I would hypothesize that our lack of running game was a bigger issue with the fact that our offensive line was getting handled and likely led to more pressure on Glennon. We all know how he did under pressure in 2013.
I am a firm believer that if Joe Flaccid can win a super bowl, so can A LOT of people
Flacco has a postseason run better than any other QB in the history of football when he won the Superbowl. The played the position at a very, very high level during those playoffs.
Running the football helps a rookie QB but most teams that have over 100 yards average are trying to run out the clock in most cases for victories. So to reach the point where you have a lead you need to put points on the board early in a game. Pass pro and receiving options must improve for that to happen.
It sounds great to just surround Glennon with a bunch of great players who don't make mistakes, but it's really hard. Every team wants great players at every position, but in a sport with weighted draft picks and a salary cap, it's impossible. To be a good team, your QB has to be able to make plays when other players have breakdowns. There's just no way around it. Good teams are good because they make opposing QBs play bad. You have to be able to overcome that.
Agreed 100%. Great QBs can cover up deficiencies in many other places. It shouldn't be a surprise that might was bad when pressured. I would imagine many QBs, if not all, drop off significantly when pressured. I would also imagine the good ones drop off much less than Mike.If Mike needs help all around to be great, it isn't going to work. However if he just needs a little more help and some more experience then we might be able to roll with him. Here's a few stats that might tell a better story. League average rushing is 113 yards per game. I looked up Mikes passing stats in games where we rushed for more than 100 yards, as a team. Not talking individual rushers over 100, I'm talking total rushing with starter, back up and Mike himself running for 100 yards combined. First of all that was 5 games, out of 13 that mike started. Secondly we eclipsed the LEAGUE AVERAGE just 4 times all year while Mike was starting. Pretty pathetic for a run based team huh? Anyways, here are the stats...81completions of 128 attemtps for 884 yards with 9TDs and 3INTs for a passer rating of.....97.3 with a 7.0 YPAI didn't look up the losses I think I made the point that even with the receiving core being hurt Mike was effective when we had a running game. Many of those other games we were held below 75 yards total which is complete domination. We don't need a dominating run offense but we do need some average level of one for rookie Mike Glennon. Maybe a new scheme and another year and those games when our run game was shut down will be overcome by Mike. Who knows. Oh, by the way we were 3-2 when we rushed for 100 yards under Mike Glennon.
Good post. "Great QBs can cover up deficiencies in many other places." 100% Agreed. Now, the problem is "great QBs" are not growing on trees and, in fact, they are very hard to find. You have to try because "great QBs can cover up deficiencies in many other places" but there is a reason that teams still focus on running games and defense (I don't mean just Schiano-led teams) . . . . and that reason is . . . . great QBs are hard to find. I am all for trying to find a great QB, but you don't throw away Glennon in the process . . . . he might be "great" himself someday, he might not . . . but he can win in the NFL . . . even on a highly dysfunctional team. Beyond that, Glennon has the clubhouse lead to be the starter next year, particularly with Tedford coming in. That may freak some out, but think of it this way . . . is there a rookie that could come in and beat out Glennon after Glennon has had real NFL experience and months with Tedford? If so, that is one SPECIAL rookie. Maybe there is a vet? Not sure, but so be it if we could actually find one, just doesn't seem likely. I hope we find someone to replace Glennon BUT not because Glennon sucks, but instead because it sure would take a very good QB to replace him under these circumstances.
