what i got from the responses is that it is possible for a coach, under contract, to speak to another team and even go to that other team if they are given permission to do as such. so the argument that the all possible candidates must be available now does not hold water, neither does the argument that is someone is under contract he is off limits.
aaaaaaaand im done here
If someone isn't willing to accept reality, there's nothing you can do.
He gets Kyle Boller held against him, who wasn't even his recruit, but doesn't get credit for Aaron Rodgers, who was. He put almost every RB he coached at Cal in the NFL. The WR's he's put in the NFL all seemed to have a relatively short learning curve. Tedford is legit. I'd be happy with the hire.
If you read some Green Bay Packers boards/fans comments, Rodgers was a mess when he was drafted by Green Bay, they say that his mechanics were terrible "Aaron Rodgers mechanics were completely changed under McCarthy in Green Bay. Rodgers came in with the typical neck high throwing position that he teaches his QB’s. That clearly does not work in the NFL. McCarthy knew that right away and promply started to rebuild his mechanics ground up.""Packer fan for a long time and remember seeing Rodgers in mini camps early on. He was awful. McCarthy is never recognized for taking a great arm and great QB mind and changing his mechanics so that he is arguably the best QB in football. All this while “trying” to coach Favre."just saying .... of the QBs they list as his "students" the only one to have any success in the NFL might have been due to who is NFL coach was more than Tedford.
Well if the fans say it, it must be true.I don't recall any scouting reports that said Rodgers' mechanics were a mess at Cal. In fact, quite the contrary. His mechanics were part of the reason he garnered a 1st round grade. Literally every 2005 scouting report lists his arm strength first, and his mechanics second, as the reason he was rated so high on draft boards. So either those fans are clueless, or those scouts were. I know who I tend to believe.
Never go by what fans say on a message board. Vikings fans could have read this board and been led to believe that Freeman was a beast who simply needed a coach who believes in him.
Never go by what fans say on a message board. Vikings fans could have read this board and been led to believe that Freeman was a beast who simply needed a coach who believes in him.
Exactly. Or that Revis was playing man coverage all year.
what i got from the responses is that it is possible for a coach, under contract, to speak to another team and even go to that other team if they are given permission to do as such. so the argument that the all possible candidates must be available now does not hold water, neither does the argument that is someone is under contract he is off limits.
aaaaaaaand im done here
If someone isn't willing to accept reality, there's nothing you can do.
what is the reality? and i'm not asking for your opinion, just reality on how the search for a head coach and assistants can go.can they be hired away from another team if they are still under contract with that team, as long as permission is granted? please let me know what the reality is there.
He gets Kyle Boller held against him, who wasn't even his recruit, but doesn't get credit for Aaron Rodgers, who was. He put almost every RB he coached at Cal in the NFL. The WR's he's put in the NFL all seemed to have a relatively short learning curve. Tedford is legit. I'd be happy with the hire.
If you read some Green Bay Packers boards/fans comments, Rodgers was a mess when he was drafted by Green Bay, they say that his mechanics were terrible "Aaron Rodgers mechanics were completely changed under McCarthy in Green Bay. Rodgers came in with the typical neck high throwing position that he teaches his QB’s. That clearly does not work in the NFL. McCarthy knew that right away and promply started to rebuild his mechanics ground up.""Packer fan for a long time and remember seeing Rodgers in mini camps early on. He was awful. McCarthy is never recognized for taking a great arm and great QB mind and changing his mechanics so that he is arguably the best QB in football. All this while “trying” to coach Favre."just saying .... of the QBs they list as his "students" the only one to have any success in the NFL might have been due to who is NFL coach was more than Tedford.
Well if the fans say it, it must be true.I don't recall any scouting reports that said Rodgers' mechanics were a mess at Cal. In fact, quite the contrary. His mechanics were part of the reason he garnered a 1st round grade. Literally every 2005 scouting report lists his arm strength first, and his mechanics second, as the reason he was rated so high on draft boards. So either those fans are clueless, or those scouts were. I know who I tend to believe.
http://thesidelineview.com/columns/nfl/can-quarterbacks-mechanics-be-altered it's a good read if you are so inclined"McCarthy’s quarterback school paid off in a big way for signal caller Aaron Rodgers, who came into the league with quirky mechanics taught by the University of California’s infamous (in NFL circles) head coach Jeff Tedford ""Rodgers held the ball next to his ear when he was in a pre-pass triangle set at California. The mechanics appeared efficient at the time because he was able to get the ball out quickly in the Golden Bears short passing game, but he struggled throwing deep.His throwing motion led to him throwing outside of his frame, which is not ideal and "stresses the shoulder" as quarterback guru George Whitfield Jr. says, and his footwork also suffered as he was not able to get proper timing nor transfer weight with any consistency. Rodgers explained this in an interview with ESPN last year:"When I first got into the league, I held the ball really high. That was the standard in college, and it messed up my timing a bit -- the draw, bringing it back, then the release... You’re taught to get back as deep as you can, but you can never throw the ball out on time when you do that.""Under the tutelage of head coach McCarthy and quarterbacks coach Tom Clements, Rodgers pre-pass triangle set came down to between his numbers, consequently his motion became quicker, his power increased (also because of his cleaner footwork) and his timing improved. Now, Rodgers puts up video game numbers as he knifes through the heart of defenses with otherworldly throws."In Aaron Rodgers' particular situation, he had a very high ball carriage which I felt there was a stiffness to the way he carried the ball," McCarthy told our Adam Caplan during the 2010 NFL Scouting combine, "it wasn't as natural because he is a very good athlete and it's something you didn't see in my opinion in his earlier days, how good of an athlete he was and I think it's something we've adjusted and he's very natural with it. Every quarterback that I've ever coached, you're always looking to improve their mechanics."Furthermore, as Risdon noted, mechanics may be able to be fixed or altered but it takes “time,” which is exactly what Rodgers had as he honed his skills for three seasons while legend Brett Favre played. "
Lol @ comrade knowing I was talking about him , Bwahahaha.
what i got from the responses is that it is possible for a coach, under contract, to speak to another team and even go to that other team if they are given permission to do as such. so the argument that the all possible candidates must be available now does not hold water, neither does the argument that is someone is under contract he is off limits.
aaaaaaaand im done here
If someone isn't willing to accept reality, there's nothing you can do.
what is the reality? and i'm not asking for your opinion, just reality on how the search for a head coach and assistants can go.can they be hired away from another team if they are still under contract with that team, as long as permission is granted? please let me know what the reality is there.
The reality is you can't hire away someone's offensive coordinator if they're under contract, even if you ask permission.
After the Packers' 2011 Super Bowl victory, Aaron Rodgers credited his "perfect" throwing motion to.......Cal coach Jeff Tedford. http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2011/2/2/1971045/aaron-rodgers-says-he-owes-his-perfect-throwing-motion-to-cal-coach
Lol @ the fascist knowing I was talking about him , Bwahahaha.
what i got from the responses is that it is possible for a coach, under contract, to speak to another team and even go to that other team if they are given permission to do as such. so the argument that the all possible candidates must be available now does not hold water, neither does the argument that is someone is under contract he is off limits.
aaaaaaaand im done here
If someone isn't willing to accept reality, there's nothing you can do.
what is the reality? and i'm not asking for your opinion, just reality on how the search for a head coach and assistants can go.can they be hired away from another team if they are still under contract with that team, as long as permission is granted? please let me know what the reality is there.
The reality is you can't hire away someone's offensive coordinator if they're under contract, even if you ask permission.
why not? where is that written? i can't seem to find that information.here is what i found on it ... you are either a head coach or an assistant coach, no other title matters. So being hired as an OC by one team when you were a QB coach is the same as being hired as an OC by one team when you were already an OC. it is going from an assistant coaching position to another assistant coaching positionMISCELLANEOUSTWO TIERS OF COACHING STAFFS: a coach is either the Head Coach or he is an AssistantCoach, regardless of what title a team may give it’s coaches. The League office only recognizes Head Coach or Assistant coach when it enforces the Anti-Tampering Rules.ASSISTANT COACHES • Under no circumstances may an Assistant Coach contract contain a Right of First Refusal in favor of his employer club. LATERAL OPPORTUNITIES • Assistant coach – to – Non Head Coach opportunities o Note: “promotions” to coordinator level are NOT promotions under this policy; a coach is either an Assistant Coach or a Head Coach, period. • Teams retain exclusive rights to an Assistant Coach who just completed the final season under contract until: o The Tuesday following15 days after the final Monday Night Football game of the regular season, if the Assistant Coaches team is not in the playoffs o The 3rd Tuesday after the Assistant Coaches final playoff game (including Super Bowl), but in no event later than the expiration date in the coaches contract. o This 3 week exclusivity period CAN be waived by the coach’s team. Lateral MoveAn NFL team cannot interview an assistant coach who is under contract as an assistant with another team for the following season without the permission of his current organization. Teams will usually give permission upon request, particularly if a lower level coach is set to take an offensive or defensive coordinator position elsewhere, but the current team is not required to give permission.
I can not find anywhere where it states that a team can't hire away someone's offensive coordinator if they're under contract, even if you ask permission. he is an assistant coach and if the team gives permission he can be hired as an assistant coach with another team.
Who is the fascist ? I'm a libertarian so it cant be me.Comrade mad.
what i got from the responses is that it is possible for a coach, under contract, to speak to another team and even go to that other team if they are given permission to do as such. so the argument that the all possible candidates must be available now does not hold water, neither does the argument that is someone is under contract he is off limits.
aaaaaaaand im done here
lolz, billy's a brick wall.
what i got from the responses is that it is possible for a coach, under contract, to speak to another team and even go to that other team if they are given permission to do as such. so the argument that the all possible candidates must be available now does not hold water, neither does the argument that is someone is under contract he is off limits.
aaaaaaaand im done here
If someone isn't willing to accept reality, there's nothing you can do.
what is the reality? and i'm not asking for your opinion, just reality on how the search for a head coach and assistants can go.can they be hired away from another team if they are still under contract with that team, as long as permission is granted? please let me know what the reality is there.
The reality is you can't hire away someone's offensive coordinator if they're under contract, even if you ask permission.
why not? where is that written? i can't seem to find that information.here is what i found on it ... you are either a head coach or an assistant coach, no other title matters. So being hired as an OC by one team when you were a QB coach is the same as being hired as an OC by one team when you were already an OC. it is going from an assistant coaching position to another assistant coaching positionMISCELLANEOUSTWO TIERS OF COACHING STAFFS: a coach is either the Head Coach or he is an AssistantCoach, regardless of what title a team may give it’s coaches. The League office only recognizes Head Coach or Assistant coach when it enforces the Anti-Tampering Rules.ASSISTANT COACHES • Under no circumstances may an Assistant Coach contract contain a Right of First Refusal in favor of his employer club. LATERAL OPPORTUNITIES • Assistant coach – to – Non Head Coach opportunities o Note: “promotions” to coordinator level are NOT promotions under this policy; a coach is either an Assistant Coach or a Head Coach, period. • Teams retain exclusive rights to an Assistant Coach who just completed the final season under contract until: o The Tuesday following15 days after the final Monday Night Football game of the regular season, if the Assistant Coaches team is not in the playoffs o The 3rd Tuesday after the Assistant Coaches final playoff game (including Super Bowl), but in no event later than the expiration date in the coaches contract. o This 3 week exclusivity period CAN be waived by the coach’s team. Lateral MoveAn NFL team cannot interview an assistant coach who is under contract as an assistant with another team for the following season without the permission of his current organization. Teams will usually give permission upon request, particularly if a lower level coach is set to take an offensive or defensive coordinator position elsewhere, but the current team is not required to give permission.
I can not find anywhere where it states that a team can't hire away someone's offensive coordinator if they're under contract, even if you ask permission. he is an assistant coach and if the team gives permission he can be hired as an assistant coach with another team.
For chrissakes dude, hiring one team's OC to be your OC is a lateral move and cannot be done. What you posted says that about a half-dozen times.
Never go by what fans say on a message board. Vikings fans could have read this board and been led to believe that Freeman was a beast who simply needed a coach who believes in him.
Exactly. Or that Revis was playing man coverage all year.
lolz
He gets Kyle Boller held against him, who wasn't even his recruit, but doesn't get credit for Aaron Rodgers, who was. He put almost every RB he coached at Cal in the NFL. The WR's he's put in the NFL all seemed to have a relatively short learning curve. Tedford is legit. I'd be happy with the hire.
If you read some Green Bay Packers boards/fans comments, Rodgers was a mess when he was drafted by Green Bay, they say that his mechanics were terrible "Aaron Rodgers mechanics were completely changed under McCarthy in Green Bay. Rodgers came in with the typical neck high throwing position that he teaches his QB’s. That clearly does not work in the NFL. McCarthy knew that right away and promply started to rebuild his mechanics ground up.""Packer fan for a long time and remember seeing Rodgers in mini camps early on. He was awful. McCarthy is never recognized for taking a great arm and great QB mind and changing his mechanics so that he is arguably the best QB in football. All this while “trying” to coach Favre."just saying .... of the QBs they list as his "students" the only one to have any success in the NFL might have been due to who is NFL coach was more than Tedford.
Well if the fans say it, it must be true.
This is true. Most fans are generally clueless, like the people you hear whining about running the ball on second down.
