People criticizing Bowles don't understand how hard is to win the NFL. Ravens, Chiefs, Texans, Steelers are also 6-5 after being the playoffs last year. Vikings are 4-7, Commanders are 3-8.
The analysis of Bowles is akin to a beauty contest because it is about valuing levels of objective SUCCESS.
To that point, Bowles was elevated to HC from DC
Koetter was elevated to HC from OC
If anyone would have said back in 2016 that IF you make Koetter the HC you will win the division every season and be in the playoff every season, hopefully EVERY fan takes that bargain because the Bucs had only 8 wins in the prior 2 season.
Bowles is on the verge of accomplishing that same deal, the deal that every Buc fan takes gladly in 2016.
Koetter and Bowles are both discussed as failures even though Koetter finished at the bottom of the division twice, i think?
oddity of expectations
It's about seeing the big picture. Bowles won a bunch of crappy division titles. Big deal. You don't measure them the same. If you do you make a big mistake in your analysis.
Why would that be?
Why woukd division wins with Koetter be great but with Bowles they are not? Not disagreeing just asking to understand the thought. Maybe Bowles team should do better? Division weaker?
Why would that be?
Why woukd division wins with Koetter be great but with Bowles they are not? Not disagreeing just asking to understand the thought. Maybe Bowles team should do better? Division weaker?
lolz
People criticizing Bowles don't understand how hard is to win the NFL. Ravens, Chiefs, Texans, Steelers are also 6-5 after being the playoffs last year. Vikings are 4-7, Commanders are 3-8.
Ravens lost Lamar and he's still hurt and they've consistently won more games in a harder division.
Chiefs no comparison, cmon.
Texans have turned it around after a poor start and won 3 games with a backup QB. Plenty of injuries too.
Steelers perennial 10 win team that gets bounced in the first so a solid comparison.
Vikings much harder division and won more games.
Commanders were one of the easiest teams to see regress in the league.
None of these teams get to play 6 cakewalk games in the NFC south. The only division worse is the afc south
Ravens are still only 5-3 with Lamar. 0-3 vs winning teams. 5-0 vs Cleveland, Jets, Dolphins and Vikings. They havent even played the Steelers or Bengals yet so you can't say it's because of the division. We're only 2-0 vs the NFC South.
What do you mean Chiefs no comparison. Are they not 6-5?
Don't say "plenty of injuries too" like we haven't been NUKED by injuries.
According to ProFootballReference we've played the 2nd hardest schedule in the league while missing half the damn team.
I see we have a new coach being inducted to into the JC HOF. Congratulations are in order.
Brock purdy doing his best to make Carolina win
People criticizing Bowles don't understand how hard is to win the NFL. Ravens, Chiefs, Texans, Steelers are also 6-5 after being the playoffs last year. Vikings are 4-7, Commanders are 3-8.
Ravens lost Lamar and he's still hurt and they've consistently won more games in a harder division.
Chiefs no comparison, cmon.
Texans have turned it around after a poor start and won 3 games with a backup QB. Plenty of injuries too.
Steelers perennial 10 win team that gets bounced in the first so a solid comparison.
Vikings much harder division and won more games.
Commanders were one of the easiest teams to see regress in the league.
None of these teams get to play 6 cakewalk games in the NFC south. The only division worse is the afc south
Ravens are still only 5-3 with Lamar. 0-3 vs winning teams. 5-0 vs Cleveland, Jets, Dolphins and Vikings. They havent even played the Steelers or Bengals yet so you can't say it's because of the division. We're only 2-0 vs the NFC South.
What do you mean Chiefs no comparison. Are they not 6-5?
Don't say "plenty of injuries too" like we haven't been NUKED by injuries.
According to ProFootballReference we've played the 2nd hardest schedule in the league while missing half the damn team.
The chiefs are in the tail end of a dynasty. There's no comparison.
Ravens missing Lamar is more than our entire injury front combined. Then you factor in their defense and it's def greater than ours.
Yes we've played a rough schedule, no argument here
Brock purdy doing his best to make Carolina win
Niners have more injuries than us and yet they stay very competitive and field a defense that isn't constantly out of position
Hell yeah analytics strikes again! Carolina goes for 2 in what should be a 17-10 game lmao!
got to love analytics!
Hell yeah analytics strikes again! Carolina goes for 2 in what should be a 17-10 game lmao!
got to love analytics!
And the dumbest part about it is they don't run the ball. You got the extra yard for a reason... At the very least run PA?
It's just bad football. Way too early to leave points
Hell yeah analytics strikes again! Carolina goes for 2 in what should be a 17-10 game lmao!
got to love analytics!
And the dumbest part about it is they don't run the ball. You got the extra yard for a reason... At the very least run PA?
It's just bad football. Way too early to leave points
This seems to be a trend in the league, right? Making the choice early on to go for 2 instead of just taking the XP? You guys are saying that the "analytic" at the time of the choice favors going for 2, but they should still just take the 1 because its early?
That analytical model would consider game scenario, so time remaining, score etc. right? Point being you guys are typically pro - analytics, but here against?
Hell yeah analytics strikes again! Carolina goes for 2 in what should be a 17-10 game lmao!
got to love analytics!
And the dumbest part about it is they don't run the ball. You got the extra yard for a reason... At the very least run PA?
It's just bad football. Way too early to leave points
This seems to be a trend in the league, right? Making the choice early on to go for 2 instead of just taking the XP? You guys are saying that the "analytic" at the time of the choice favors going for 2, but they should still just take the 1 because its early?
That analytical model would consider game scenario, so time remaining, score etc. right? Point being you guys are typically pro - analytics, but here against?
I think analytics are a tool but you gotta make your common sense decisions within that.
Specially for teams like the bucs who struggle in the red zone. If we were a top 5 red zone team then yeah go for it. If we had a Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson or CMC sure go for it.
We don't have Evans so we can't run the fade.
Specific to us or the Panthers I don't think it makes sense to leave points on the table despite the analytics.
Hell yeah analytics strikes again! Carolina goes for 2 in what should be a 17-10 game lmao!
got to love analytics!
And the dumbest part about it is they don't run the ball. You got the extra yard for a reason... At the very least run PA?
It's just bad football. Way too early to leave points
This seems to be a trend in the league, right? Making the choice early on to go for 2 instead of just taking the XP? You guys are saying that the "analytic" at the time of the choice favors going for 2, but they should still just take the 1 because its early?
That analytical model would consider game scenario, so time remaining, score etc. right? Point being you guys are typically pro - analytics, but here against?
i usually am for taking the points
The Bucs have gone for 2 prematurely in the Lions, Patriots, and Buffalo games and have gone oh for. It's a lower percentage play to convert a 2 point conversion than it is kicking the damn extra point.
Going for 2 in the third quarter when you know there will be multiple scoring drives on both sides doesn't make a whole lot of sense. it delates the team after what should be a positive momentum score and forces you to chase points.
i kid about "analytics'" because somewhere it is suggesting to go for 2. BUT...given how many times we have failed this year would these updated analytics NOT SUGGEST...to kick the extra point?
Why would that be?
Why woukd division wins with Koetter be great but with Bowles they are not? Not disagreeing just asking to understand the thought. Maybe Bowles team should do better? Division weaker?
You keep focusing on the division when it's a shitty division is my point. I wouldn't give a fuck if koetter won this shit division as long as he put out the same performance against great teams outside the division and bowles has not been very good at that. Hence he's an average head coach. He's not going to take us to the level we want or honestly it could be better with a better hc right now even tho we have injuries and we have won the division. I get being grateful for that but at the same time its like settling for average when you know capable of more. It's not a good feeling. Although I'm sure several people are used to that thought too.
Hell yeah analytics strikes again! Carolina goes for 2 in what should be a 17-10 game lmao!
got to love analytics!
And the dumbest part about it is they don't run the ball. You got the extra yard for a reason... At the very least run PA?
It's just bad football. Way too early to leave points
This seems to be a trend in the league, right? Making the choice early on to go for 2 instead of just taking the XP? You guys are saying that the "analytic" at the time of the choice favors going for 2, but they should still just take the 1 because its early?
That analytical model would consider game scenario, so time remaining, score etc. right? Point being you guys are typically pro - analytics, but here against?
i usually am for taking the points
The Bucs have gone for 2 prematurely in the Lions, Patriots, and Buffalo games and have gone oh for. It's a lower percentage play to convert a 2 point conversion than it is kicking the damn extra point.
Going for 2 in the third quarter when you know there will be multiple scoring drives on both sides doesn't make a whole lot of sense. it delates the team after what should be a positive momentum score and forces you to chase points.
i kid about "analytics'" because somewhere it is suggesting to go for 2. BUT...given how many times we have failed this year would these updated analytics NOT SUGGEST...to kick the extra point?
Tbf we converted vs the Seahawks but that game we moved the ball at will
To be fair teams like Baltimore Pittsburgh and buffalo likely questioning if they should make a change at head coach
Tomlin and Bowles are a comparison I’ve been coming to over the past few weeks. Both have potential to go to the playoffs on a yearly basis, but generally a yearly early round exit baring a high octane offense.
