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Posted by: @donkey_hunter

Bowles should've been canned along with Lefty. 

He's not that guy for HC. 

 

 

not his fault. Guy never should have been promoted to head coach in the first place 

should have known the Bucs were toast when Arians “stepped down” 

 

 
Posted : Aug. 12, 2023 4:38 pm
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Posted by: @donkey_hunter

Bowles should've been canned along with Lefty. 

He's not that guy for HC. 

 

 

not his fault. Guy never should have been promoted to head coach in the first place 

should have known the Bucs were toast when Arians “stepped down” 

 

 

true but he was never going to turn it down, especially not with a 5 year deal 

 

 
Posted : Aug. 12, 2023 6:08 pm
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Posted by: @donkey_hunter

We had nearly 30 yards wiped out on 2 bogus ticky tack penalties

:-)

 

actually agree that the ZBS (and different offense) should help 

just the start. 

more concerned about defense not stopping much. The defense is arguably more important to the Bucs being competitive (aside from Mayfield reinventing himself)

 
Posted : Aug. 12, 2023 6:12 pm
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Posted by: @harrybucman

The only thing that really matters is results. What actual results did the totally different scheme produce? 

You know what? 

For once, you're right. 

My apologies for not recognizing it earlier, as it's so goddamn rare. 

Let's make a bet.

The offensive side of this roster is inferior to last year, but I bet they finish with a better rushing attack (ypg and ypc) and more points per game than last year. 

I lose, and I'll never log onto this site again. You lose, the same. 

Step up to the pump, kiddo. 

 

 

 
Posted : Aug. 12, 2023 9:12 pm
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Posted by: @bucsbits

actually agree that the ZBS (and different offense) should help 

just the start. 

You could see it with the different personnel groupings and run schemes. 

Keep in mind, our RB1 (who didn't play) flourished in this system in college. 

Passing game it was really obvious. Meshes, man beaters, different routes at different levels, a few cool variations of 4-verts, etc.

Stuff that would've had our last OC sitting at the table drooling like a dunce attempting to wrap his mind around it. 

Posted by: @bucsbits

more concerned about defense not stopping much

Keep in mind, we were running our 2's versus their 1's at the start. 

 

 
Posted : Aug. 12, 2023 9:18 pm
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Posted by: @harrybucman

The only thing that really matters is results. What actual results did the totally different scheme produce? 

You know what? 

For once, you're right. 

My apologies for not recognizing it earlier, as it's so goddamn rare. 

Let's make a bet.

The offensive side of this roster is inferior to last year, but I bet they finish with a better rushing attack (ypg and ypc) and more points per game than last year. 

I lose, and I'll never log onto this site again. You lose, the same. 

Step up to the pump, kiddo. 

 

 

I totally expect us to have a better rushing attack and to score more points per game this year too. So what are we betting for?  Untill we get down to 53 and actually see who's here and who's playing where, how can we honestly judge whether the offensive side of this year's roster is inferior to last year's. 

 

 
Posted : Aug. 13, 2023 4:38 am
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I know I'm right, but the question in my mind is: why did you make the assertion that the new blocking scheme has already proved that it will produce better results when you have absolutely no empirical evidence to make that judgment? I know why, do you? 

 
Posted : Aug. 13, 2023 8:04 am
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Posted by: @harrybucman

I know why, do you? 

Then, let’s hear it, kiddo. 

You apparently have the answer to everything. 

 
Posted : Aug. 13, 2023 9:24 am
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Posted by: @harrybucman

I know why, do you? 

Then, let’s hear it, kiddo. 

You apparently have the answer to everything. 

It would be extremely ignorant and very arrogant for anyone to believe they have the answer to everything. So spare me that bullshit, please sir. But I've pretty much got you figured out. Again a very simple question: Do you know why? 

 

 
Posted : Aug. 13, 2023 11:26 am
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Donk, did you forget, about 8 years ago, I used you for a case study for one of my dissertations.  I fed you leading questions and documented your responses. You perfectly proved my hypothesis and through the years you've continually verified it. So yes, I've got a pretty good idea of who and what you are-- Kiddo.  

 
Posted : Aug. 13, 2023 12:24 pm
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But I've pretty much got you figured out. Again a very simple question: Do you know why? 

The fact that the overwhelming majority of the best rushing attacks in the modern NFL feature or are heavily predicated on ZBS. Shanny, back in with Denver in the 90's/early 2000's when they laughed at the "It's the Jimmy's and Joes and not the X's and O's" dinosaur mentality and became a factory for 1K rushers. 

Look at last season with San Fran, Bengals, Seattle, among others. All elite rushing attacks that feature ZBS. 

Even in the preseason game, you saw runs coming out of different formations, different personnel groupings, etc. Different lanes were open, different gaps, stuff we haven't seen before. 

Not to mention, our very own RB1 flourished in this type of system in college. 

So, that's why I feel that I've already seen enough to say what I have. 

NOW, let's hear your answer.

 
Posted : Aug. 13, 2023 1:25 pm
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Posted by: @donkey_hunter

Posted by: @harrybucman

The only thing that really matters is results. What actual results did the totally different scheme produce? 

You know what? 

For once, you're right. 

My apologies for not recognizing it earlier, as it's so goddamn rare. 

Let's make a bet.

The offensive side of this roster is inferior to last year, but I bet they finish with a better rushing attack (ypg and ypc) and more points per game than last year. 

I lose, and I'll never log onto this site again. You lose, the same. 

Step up to the pump, kiddo. 

 

 

I totally expect us to have a better rushing attack and to score more points per game this year too. So what are we betting for?  Untill we get down to 53 and actually see who's here and who's playing where, how can we honestly judge whether the offensive side of this year's roster is inferior to last year's. 

 

You need to see the final 53 before you realize the offense’s talent is inferior to last season? Anyone with a clue could see that the day the GOAT said he wasn’t coming back.

Are you accepting the bet or bitching out? Because it looks like you’re bitching out.

 

 
Posted : Aug. 13, 2023 3:08 pm
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This offense is inferior to last because no GOAT

 

buy last years offense not inferior to prior with no Gronk, Marpet, Godwin … 

 

LoOgIC Is FoOn!

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Posted : Aug. 13, 2023 3:22 pm
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Posted by: @harrybucman

But I've pretty much got you figured out. Again a very simple question: Do you know why? 

The fact that the overwhelming majority of the best rushing attacks in the modern NFL feature or are heavily predicated on ZBS. Shanny, back in with Denver in the 90's/early 2000's when they laughed at the "It's the Jimmy's and Joes and not the X's and O's" dinosaur mentality and became a factory for 1K rushers. 

Look at last season with San Fran, Bengals, Seattle, among others. All elite rushing attacks that feature ZBS. 

Even in the preseason game, you saw runs coming out of different formations, different personnel groupings, etc. Different lanes were open, different gaps, stuff we haven't seen before. 

Not to mention, our very own RB1 flourished in this type of system in college. 

So, that's why I feel that I've already seen enough to say what I have. 

NOW, let's hear your answer.

Look man, don't make this so complicated. I'm not arguing whether a zone or a power scheme is going to be more productive here . My point is: we don't have a large enough sample size or enough empirical evidence to make a judgement on it's effectiveness here in Tampa yet. Is that too hard for you to understand?

 

 
Posted : Aug. 13, 2023 3:23 pm
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You mention San Fran, Bengals and Seattle which one of them played in the SB last year? Hell we even beat Seattle.

 
Posted : Aug. 13, 2023 3:33 pm
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