If you release those 4, then trade Revis, McCoy, Martin and Jackson and end up with two #1s and two #2s... the Bucs would be sitting $64.1M under the cap with three #1s and three #2s. Nuclear winter, but if you hire someone who knows what they're doing the Bucs would be a powerhouse in 3 years.
Are you on drugs?
Umm...then you say NO. Not that difficult. I love the guy, but he isnt worth $10 mil a year.
It is that difficult because his cap number is $13.2M in 2014. Are you going to expect a guy, at 25-26 years old, coming off back to back pro-bowls, to take a significant paycut? That's why the only option is to trade him. And before you bring up the Geno Atkins contract, he was making 3rd round pick money for 3 years before that extension. He didn't have the financial security that McCoy has to wait it out and get more.
If you release those 4, then trade Revis, McCoy, Martin and Jackson and end up with two #1s and two #2s... the Bucs would be sitting $64.1M under the cap with three #1s and three #2s. Nuclear winter, but if you hire someone who knows what they're doing the Bucs would be a powerhouse in 3 years.
Are you on drugs?
You're right. Lets chase the Super Bowl with Dominik's high priced contracts and no QB. Best case scenario is we're the Arizona Cardinals.
Umm...then you say NO. Not that difficult. I love the guy, but he isnt worth $10 mil a year.
It is that difficult because his cap number is $13.2M in 2014. Are you going to expect a guy, at 25-26 years old, coming off back to back pro-bowls, to take a significant paycut? That's why the only option is to trade him. And before you bring up the Geno Atkins contract, he was making 3rd round pick money for 3 years before that extension. He didn't have the financial security that McCoy has to wait it out and get more.
Yea, I would. Because he got paid under an old system. Does he "owe" us anything for having overpaid him for years, no. But you base a contract on current market value, not past. He is already the 3rd highest paid DT in the league right now. So yea, I expect him to take a pay cut more in line with what his position pays.
Yea, I would. Because he got paid under an old system. Does he "owe" us anything for having overpaid him for years, no. But you base a contract on current market value, not past. He is already the 3rd highest paid DT in the league right now. So yea, I expect him to take a pay cut more in line with what his position pays.
You say market value, but his agent will not use the Geno Atkins deal as market value. The first thing they'll point to is the Bucs just giving Revis $16M a year. Then they'll evaluate what McCoy would make on the open market.
Yea, I would. Because he got paid under an old system. Does he "owe" us anything for having overpaid him for years, no. But you base a contract on current market value, not past. He is already the 3rd highest paid DT in the league right now. So yea, I expect him to take a pay cut more in line with what his position pays.
You say market value, but his agent will not use the Geno Atkins deal as market value. The first thing they'll point to is the Bucs just giving Revis $16M a year. Then they'll evaluate what McCoy would make on the open market.
And then the FO will show him what his position gets paid. They will show him what he would get from a franchise tag...which by my estimate would be around $8 mil. I seriously doubt McCoy's agent is going to bring up an example that has 0 guaranteed money.
Yea, I would. Because he got paid under an old system. Does he "owe" us anything for having overpaid him for years, no. But you base a contract on current market value, not past. He is already the 3rd highest paid DT in the league right now. So yea, I expect him to take a pay cut more in line with what his position pays.
You say market value, but his agent will not use the Geno Atkins deal as market value. The first thing they'll point to is the Bucs just giving Revis $16M a year. Then they'll evaluate what McCoy would make on the open market.
And then the FO will show him what his position gets paid. They will show him what he would get from a franchise tag...which by my estimate would be around $8 mil. I seriously doubt McCoy's agent is going to bring up an example that has 0 guaranteed money.
McCoy's franchise number is $15.8M, because it's 120% of his previous cap number. Pretty similar to the Revis $16M salary, aka market value. And the Revis contract has $48M in the first 3 years, so yea, they will definitely bring that up.
Yea, I would. Because he got paid under an old system. Does he "owe" us anything for having overpaid him for years, no. But you base a contract on current market value, not past. He is already the 3rd highest paid DT in the league right now. So yea, I expect him to take a pay cut more in line with what his position pays.
You say market value, but his agent will not use the Geno Atkins deal as market value. The first thing they'll point to is the Bucs just giving Revis $16M a year. Then they'll evaluate what McCoy would make on the open market.
And then the FO will show him what his position gets paid. They will show him what he would get from a franchise tag...which by my estimate would be around $8 mil. I seriously doubt McCoy's agent is going to bring up an example that has 0 guaranteed money.
McCoy's franchise number is $15.8M, because it's 120% of his previous cap number. Pretty similar to the Revis $16M salary, aka market value. And the Revis contract has $48M in the first 3 years, so yea, they will definitely bring that up.
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Joseph, Penn, and Koenen can be cut comfortably. Nicks is a bit more problematic.If I was the Bucs GM I would take my lumps with these cuts in 2014 so you have cap space for 2015 to re-sign McCoy. Martin, David, and Barron can be addressed down the road.
You do realize that McCoy's cap hit his is likely to go down with a new contract right? No way he gets what he got on his rookie deal before the new CBA.
Dom likes to frontload new contracts most of the time. That way you have plenty of cap space in 2016 to re-sign Martin, David, and Barron.
Dominik's front-loaded contracts with guaranteed money only the first 2-3 years doesn't create extra cap room. The players count the same against the cap every year they're on the roster. The only way those contracts help is for when you need to cut a player, you don't have any dead money leftover.
If you release those 4, then trade Revis, McCoy, Martin and Jackson and end up with two #1s and two #2s... the Bucs would be sitting $64.1M under the cap with three #1s and three #2s. Nuclear winter, but if you hire someone who knows what they're doing the Bucs would be a powerhouse in 3 years.
Are you on drugs?
You're right. Lets chase the Super Bowl with Dominik's high priced contracts and no QB. Best case scenario is we're the Arizona Cardinals.
I wouldn't mind chasing a SuperBowl with a top 3 CB, top 2 UT, a top 10 WR, and a good running back that doesn't get paid jack. That scenario you gave doesn't guarantee a QB either.Cut Davin, Penn,and Koenon
Yea, I would. Because he got paid under an old system. Does he "owe" us anything for having overpaid him for years, no. But you base a contract on current market value, not past. He is already the 3rd highest paid DT in the league right now. So yea, I expect him to take a pay cut more in line with what his position pays.
You say market value, but his agent will not use the Geno Atkins deal as market value. The first thing they'll point to is the Bucs just giving Revis $16M a year. Then they'll evaluate what McCoy would make on the open market.
And then the FO will show him what his position gets paid. They will show him what he would get from a franchise tag...which by my estimate would be around $8 mil. I seriously doubt McCoy's agent is going to bring up an example that has 0 guaranteed money.
McCoy's franchise number is $15.8M, because it's 120% of his previous cap number. Pretty similar to the Revis $16M salary, aka market value. And the Revis contract has $48M in the first 3 years, so yea, they will definitely bring that up.
I did forget about the new 120% rule to the FT. At that point I would still walk away. Top DT in the NFL right now is paid under $9mil a year (when it averages out). I love McCoy, but he needs to be paid according to his position and his production. You cannot use Revis $16 mil as market value when he plays an entirely different position. Why not just throw out the $20 mil the top QB's (and Flacco/Ryan) get paid then? If Atkins is the best DT in the game, how is that not a better stick to measure market value?
There isn't one good reason to trade GMC for a draft pick.. Not one.
There isn't one good reason to trade GMC for a draft pick.. Not one.
Im glad someone else found that idea completely nutty. Same guy is pitching both the ideas of trading him or giving him a bloated contract.
I did forget about the new 120% rule to the FT. At that point I would still walk away. Top DT in the NFL right now is paid under $9mil a year (when it averages out). I love McCoy, but he needs to be paid according to his position and his production. You cannot use Revis $16 mil as market value when he plays an entirely different position. Why not just throw out the $20 mil the top QB's (and Flacco/Ryan) get paid then? If Atkins is the best DT in the game, how is that not a better stick to measure market value?
Sure I can. Outside of Revis, Defensive Tackles and Cornerbacks make roughly the same. Assuming McCoy views himself as the Revis of defensive tackles, that's what he believes his market is. This is what happens when Dominik pays a non-QB...QB money. The standard has been set and McCoy sees it. With his franchise number being so high he has all the control. He has 3 options....1.Get the long term deal he demands2. Play under the 1 year, $15.8M franchise tag, which turns into $19M the next year.3. Hit the free agent market where he would get a huge contract. When you're talking about the #3 overall pick and about to be back to back pro-bowler, top 100 player, yada yada yada....he's going to be believe he's better than Atkins and atleast as good as Revis. Whether he is or isn't is irrelevant.
Im glad someone else found that idea completely nutty. Same guy is pitching both the ideas of trading him or giving him a bloated contract.
I'm not pitching the idea of giving him a bloated contract. I'm just telling you he isn't going to take half of what the Bucs just gave Revis.
