Ian Rapoport ? @RapSheetFollow#Bucs GM Jason Licht says “it came close a couple different times” when asked about a potential trade for Darrelle Revis on @nflnetwork
Well then what happened? Would've been better off with anything then nothing..though I guess having our 3rd instead of 4th is cool.
Overplayed their hand and were left holding the bag
Let a Hall of Fame player whom they had under contract for 4 more seasons walk out of the door without a thing in return. Top 10 biggest failure in the history of National Football League general management? Top 5?
Ross Tucker called this at the very outset - he said Darrelle Revis is Sean Gilbert's nephew and in Tucker's words, "there is no guy from Aliquippa, PA that is gonna give you back any money". That has been proven 100% factual with the events of this week.Some of you will remember Sean Gilbert as the guy who sat out an entire season rather than sign a 1-year tender for Washington. Incidentally, Gilbert is also manoeuvring himself to be the next head of the NFLPA on the platform that he has a plan that would allow the players an "out" from the current CBA. Coincidentally that was one of the few Revis tweets from his Twitter account in 2014. If you understood the type of guy you're dealing with, you'd know there was no negotiating with Revis in order to make a trade happen...it's not in his DNA.
I'm stilll waiting for someone to show me a contract structure, for even say a $12 mil / yr deal that would have made Reviseither cutable or tradeable in year two of the deal with no harm to our cap. Unless Revis was willing to take $12 mil / yr unguaranteed, I say it it can't be done. No big money deal is done with the intention of parting with said player after one year. Dom should be applauded for making it painless to our cap for cutting him after one year.
Dom should be vilified for making the deal in the first place. Who cares about the cap? He gave up two picks and overpaid the guy. Congrats to Dom. He took it both ways.
So, would you have been willing to trade for Revis at all? If so, what would have been your top line? If not, complaining about the contract seemsredundant.
Said it a year ago, and it still holds true today. The top 5 CBs in this league make $10M per year. Revis is considered the best (by some) so he should be the highest paid at his position. Right around $12.5M is what he should be making. $2M more per year than the next highest paid CB is what the market says is normal in that situation. Giving him $6M more per year is ridiculous and irresponsible. More importantly it is not sustainable. I was laughed at back then and called names for not jumping on the Revis wave....but I think I was dead on. We'll have to see what he gets in his next deal.Will be interesting to see if he goes to a garbage team like the Browns or Raiders that might over pay him and give him $14M/yr......or if he will sign with a contender like the 49ers or Patriots and take the $12.5M/yr he deserves. I think there is a good chance he ends up back with the Jets.
I'm stilll waiting for someone to show me a contract structure, for even say a $12 mil / yr deal that would have made Reviseither cutable or tradeable in year two of the deal with no harm to our cap. Unless Revis was willing to take $12 mil / yr unguaranteed, I say it it can't be done. No big money deal is done with the intention of parting with said player after one year. Dom should be applauded for making it painless to our cap for cutting him after one year.
Dom should be vilified for making the deal in the first place. Who cares about the cap? He gave up two picks and overpaid the guy. Congrats to Dom. He took it both ways.
So, would you have been willing to trade for Revis at all? If so, what would have been your top line? If not, complaining about the contract seemsredundant.
Had they paid market value at the time let's say $10mil and made the trade they did it would make some sense. Other than that walk away. If he wants more, let him get it elsewhere. The fact that the Bucs were the only suitors based on any info we heard and the fact that he couldn't be traded after the fact, says a lot about the entire process. I understand the guy is very good but Dominik handled it miserably.
1yr/$12M with NE! Goes to show Mevis didn't want to be here! Dude could have restructured with us for that much but chose not to. So fucc him!
1yr/$12M with NE! Goes to show Mevis didn't want to be here! Dude could have restructured with us for that much but chose not to. So fucc him!
I wouldn't say he didn't want to be here, but we wanted him around 10 million. I would have been fine with 12 million if I was Licht and Lovie, but they felt differently. Regardless it's in the past, he is a Patriot now.
Nothing against Revis personally ....it's just business.
Ok, try to think of this from your own point of view. You go to work for a company. You sign a contract that says you'll be paid $100,000 per year. You work for that company for one year and give them your all. Feel like you've done a pretty good job for them. They come to you and say they want you to take a pay cut and work for them for $90,000 next year. Do you think you might go ahead and switch over to the competition who is also offering you $90,000 a year? For the sake of this argument, the competition has been whopping your former company's ass for many years and gives you a much better chance of making sales goals that will get you paid more and enhance your reputation in your profession. Get it?
What do you know. $12M.....exactly what the market dictates his worth to actually be! Amazing!Revis was charging us a $4M fee for him to settle for Tampa. Fuc him.
What do you know. $12M.....exactly what the market dictates his worth to actually be! Amazing!Revis was charging us a $4M fee for him to settle for Tampa. Fuc him.
Or the Patriots got a slightly discounted rate because they are a quality organization. He'll chase the ring, and then try to score again next offseason if he gets it. I bet on a 1 year he could have gotten more. Probably the 16 we should have paid him. Lol @ donkeys. Aside from us they are the biggest losers in this. NE punked them good.
I'm stilll waiting for someone to show me a contract structure, for even say a $12 mil / yr deal that would have made Reviseither cutable or tradeable in year two of the deal with no harm to our cap. Unless Revis was willing to take $12 mil / yr unguaranteed, I say it it can't be done. No big money deal is done with the intention of parting with said player after one year. Dom should be applauded for making it painless to our cap for cutting him after one year.
Dom should be vilified for making the deal in the first place. Who cares about the cap? He gave up two picks and overpaid the guy. Congrats to Dom. He took it both ways.
So, would you have been willing to trade for Revis at all? If so, what would have been your top line? If not, complaining about the contract seemsredundant.
Had they paid market value at the time let's say $10mil and made the trade they did it would make some sense. Other than that walk away. If he wants more, let him get it elsewhere. The fact that the Bucs were the only suitors based on any info we heard and the fact that he couldn't be traded after the fact, says a lot about the entire process. I understand the guy is very good but Dominik handled it miserably.
Thanks for the convo. Revis was no bargain, that's for sure. I just wouldn't go as far as "miserably" to describe it. Revis signed a 4 yr 46 mil, 32 gtddeal in 2010, so I can't see him agreeing to a pay cut to be traded to the Bucs. Dom chose a higher base over any guaranteed money for injury/skillprotection and we are where we are.
I'm stilll waiting for someone to show me a contract structure, for even say a $12 mil / yr deal that would have made Reviseither cutable or tradeable in year two of the deal with no harm to our cap. Unless Revis was willing to take $12 mil / yr unguaranteed, I say it it can't be done. No big money deal is done with the intention of parting with said player after one year. Dom should be applauded for making it painless to our cap for cutting him after one year.
Dom should be vilified for making the deal in the first place. Who cares about the cap? He gave up two picks and overpaid the guy. Congrats to Dom. He took it both ways.
So, would you have been willing to trade for Revis at all? If so, what would have been your top line? If not, complaining about the contract seemsredundant.
Had they paid market value at the time let's say $10mil and made the trade they did it would make some sense. Other than that walk away. If he wants more, let him get it elsewhere. The fact that the Bucs were the only suitors based on any info we heard and the fact that he couldn't be traded after the fact, says a lot about the entire process. I understand the guy is very good but Dominik handled it miserably.
Thanks for the convo. Revis was no bargain, that's for sure. I just wouldn't go as far as "miserably" to describe it. Revis signed a 4 yr 46 mil, 32 gtddeal in 2010, so I can't see him agreeing to a pay cut to be traded to the Bucs. Dom chose a higher base over any guaranteed money for injury/skillprotection and we are where we are.
As I said previously, because of Revis' injury history there should have been clauses for this situation, regarding release/trade with (with a salary amenable to that). Further, the $16 million was untenable in terms of cap space if the Bucs were any good (having to resign Freeman this year and McCoy next year). And obviously you never could trade him. If you couldn't get a clause in giving the team flexibility (coupled with a lower cap number), the deal shouldn't have been made. Say you guarantee $15 million dollars but he only gets $4 million if he's not on the roster by March 13, 2014. There are lots of flexible options with cap language the Bucs could have taken advantage of. If Revis refused? Fine - we had no leverage against the Jets to force a trade but they had no leverage against us.
I don't want to belabor the point too much, but I like Dom's deal better than your's. You would guarantee him $15 mil with a $15m cap hit with the option of cutting him and owing him $4 mil cash and cap hit. Dom got him for $16 mil with 0 cash and cap if he's is cut. I don't think I have ever seen or heard of any deals with the creative clauses you suggest. The closest I have heard of recently is the Manning deal, where he had to pass certain milestones before he got PAID. But make no mistake, once he passed the milestone, he got PAID, just like Revis.
Reviswas being a detrement to the team. We wanted him here. It was he that wanted it his way or no way
