In the early part of this thread - where Tucker is largely an afterthought - the reason that White is going to be top dog over Bucky is because White is the better receiver and pass protector.
That was the argument White v Irving, but has no place in White v Tucker?
Even after that incredible 4th down catch by White and the inside screen TD by White?
Do you agree that White's skill as a pass protector and receiver are reasons why he might play over Tucker?
Biggs agrees, at least about pass protection. DH used to agree
One thing that gets forgotten when talking about starting RB's is the position is not just about running the ball. Pass protection is a very important aspect of the position, and that's not something we've seen Irving or Tucker do very much, very well
I would expect Bucky to get a slightly similar split that Edmunds/Tucker had last season (maybe a little more, as I expect us to run more).
But, until his overall receiving skillset and pass protection improve; Rachaad is the top dog.
effectively eliminated as a whole, with absolutely no reason.
there are plenty of reasons?
I guess a big criteria for getting carries in Coen's offense is fumbling vs the Falcons
you can always find a basis to object but you're just moving the ball over and over (conspiracy, fumbling etc) now so it sort of waters down you guys point
to each each their own
Moving the ball over and over, you mean like Sean Tucker does?
I don't get the ball-washing hype for Tucker. He looked great against a Saints defense that absolutely quit.
Out outplayed the other 2 backs by a significant margin.
And, he was putting up big numbers in that game WELL before the “Saints quit”.
It’s not ball-washing hype, it’s a legitimate question as to why his playing time has been effectively eliminated as a whole, with absolutely no reason.
Why would he play? White and Bucky both played great.
Tucker spells one if they aren't getting it done. He's third on the depth chart.
I'd like to see Tucker out there too but there was zero reason to get him in vs Niners and both White and Bucky played great.
They combined for 3.6 ypc between the tackles. Yea an absolute masterpiece.
In the early part of this thread - where Tucker is largely an afterthought - the reason that White is going to be top dog over Bucky is because White is the better receiver and pass protector.
That was the argument White v Irving, but has no place in White v Tucker?
Even after that incredible 4th down catch by White and the inside screen TD by White?
Do you agree that White's skill as a pass protector and receiver are reasons why he might play over Tucker?
Biggs agrees, at least about pass protection. DH used to agree
One thing that gets forgotten when talking about starting RB's is the position is not just about running the ball. Pass protection is a very important aspect of the position, and that's not something we've seen Irving or Tucker do very much, very well
I would expect Bucky to get a slightly similar split that Edmunds/Tucker had last season (maybe a little more, as I expect us to run more).
But, until his overall receiving skillset and pass protection improve; Rachaad is the top dog.
If that's the reason it's a stupid one. White is an ineffective runner. He just is.
Tucker has been a part of 11 drives. The Bucs scored a TD on 8 of them. He's averaging 7.6 yards per carry. Him being iced during this 4 game losing streak after he went Jim Brown vs the Saints is the dumbest thing I've seen the Bucs do in 15 years.
effectively eliminated as a whole, with absolutely no reason.
there are plenty of reasons?
I guess a big criteria for getting carries in Coen's offense is fumbling vs the Falcons
you can always find a basis to object but you're just moving the ball over and over (conspiracy, fumbling etc) now so it sort of waters down you guys point
to each each their own
Moving the ball over and over, you mean like Sean Tucker does?
well since you raise that this is Tucker's ONE game
https://www.buccaneers.com/video/sean-tucker-top-plays-saints-highlights-wk-6-2024
Listen and watch at 1:52
I am a fan of Tucker like most here but in terms of the Saints game you will hear GREG OLSEN say on one of the runs "WOW, you just dont see holes like that at the NFL level, especially when everyone knows its a 4 minute offense"
He scores one TD on a screen there are only two defenders in front of him, about 20 yds down field, and Godwin
POINT: maybe some are putting MORE into that one performance than the Bucs?
JC this one of your most common type of arguments and . . . it's terrible
Tucker has been a part of 11 drives. The Bucs scored a TD on 8 of them.
Tons of other players in on those drives . . . you going to say "the Bucs have 8 Tds when Payne Durham is in?" Or, "Otton is on the field when Evans scored his 5 TDs . . . Evans needs Otton!"
effectively eliminated as a whole, with absolutely no reason.
there are plenty of reasons?
I guess a big criteria for getting carries in Coen's offense is fumbling vs the Falcons
you can always find a basis to object but you're just moving the ball over and over (conspiracy, fumbling etc) now so it sort of waters down you guys point
to each each their own
Moving the ball over and over, you mean like Sean Tucker does?
well since you raise that this is Tucker's ONE game
https://www.buccaneers.com/video/sean-tucker-top-plays-saints-highlights-wk-6-2024
Listen and watch at 1:52
I am a fan of Tucker like most here but in terms of the Saints game you will hear GREG OLSEN say on one of the runs "WOW, you just dont see holes like that at the NFL level, especially when everyone knows its a 4 minute offense"
He scores one TD on a screen there are only two defenders in front of him, about 20 yds down field, and Godwin
POINT: maybe some are putting MORE into that one performance than the Bucs?
Yea he had a big hole and he went 40 yards. White has a big hole and he gets 8.
In the early part of this thread - where Tucker is largely an afterthought - the reason that White is going to be top dog over Bucky is because White is the better receiver and pass protector.
That was the argument White v Irving, but has no place in White v Tucker?
Even after that incredible 4th down catch by White and the inside screen TD by White?
Do you agree that White's skill as a pass protector and receiver are reasons why he might play over Tucker?
Biggs agrees, at least about pass protection. DH used to agree
One thing that gets forgotten when talking about starting RB's is the position is not just about running the ball. Pass protection is a very important aspect of the position, and that's not something we've seen Irving or Tucker do very much, very well
I would expect Bucky to get a slightly similar split that Edmunds/Tucker had last season (maybe a little more, as I expect us to run more).
But, until his overall receiving skillset and pass protection improve; Rachaad is the top dog.
If that's the reason it's a stupid one.
ouch
JC this one of your most common type of arguments and . . . it's terrible
Tucker has been a part of 11 drives. The Bucs scored a TD on 8 of them.
Tons of other players in on those drives . . . you going to say "the Bucs have 8 Tds when Payne Durham is in?" Or, "Otton is on the field when Evans scored his 5 TDs . . . Evans needs Otton!"
You're right, it's probably just a coincidence the Bucs are scoring touchdowns on 73% of their drives when the RB who's averging 9 yards a touch is in the game.
JC this one of your most common type of arguments and . . . it's terrible
Tucker has been a part of 11 drives. The Bucs scored a TD on 8 of them.
Tons of other players in on those drives . . . you going to say "the Bucs have 8 Tds when Payne Durham is in?" Or, "Otton is on the field when Evans scored his 5 TDs . . . Evans needs Otton!"
You're right, it's probably just a coincidence the Bucs are scoring touchdowns on 73% of their drives when the RB who's averging 9 yards a touch is in the game.
just like its not coincidence that you keep changing arguments, JC
Tucker was Thomas Jones and then Emmitt Smith and then "iced" and now the 73% touchdown guy
(btw, you raising "coincidence" means you probably know what correlation means . . and what it does NOT)
I don't get the ball-washing hype for Tucker. He looked great against a Saints defense that absolutely quit.
Out outplayed the other 2 backs by a significant margin.
And, he was putting up big numbers in that game WELL before the “Saints quit”.
It’s not ball-washing hype, it’s a legitimate question as to why his playing time has been effectively eliminated as a whole, with absolutely no reason.
Why would he play? White and Bucky both played great.
Tucker spells one if they aren't getting it done. He's third on the depth chart.
I'd like to see Tucker out there too but there was zero reason to get him in vs Niners and both White and Bucky played great.
They combined for 3.6 ypc between the tackles. Yea an absolute masterpiece.
Google: please give me an example of cherry-picked stats without context.
And, he was putting up big numbers in that game WELL before the “Saints quit”.
WELL?
He ran 14 times for a 136 yards with a 36 yard run
Almost half of those runs (6) are in the LAST DRIVE, including the 36 yarder, so he total 64 yards on JUST THE LAST DRIVE, right?
That drive begins at 4:13 left in. the game. It was the THIRD touchdown drive of the 4th quarter and, importantly, follows a deflating interception for the Saints
He runs for 36, 3, 0,12, 6 and 5 in a drive where his runs are every play.
We are LITERALLY running it down the throats of a team that got some hope going into halftime but then we stopped them and scored multiple touchdowns and this last drive with Tucker comes after a INTERCEPTION, so yeah that is a lot when they had QUIT
In the post above I provide the link to the highlights (all his runs) and point out that you hear (around 1:58 of the video) Greg Olsen say "wow, you just dont see holes like this in NFL football, especially not when everyone knows its the 4 minute offense."
Thats ONE drive, the last of the game. Not discounting his ABILITY just stating the facts
And, he was putting up big numbers in that game WELL before the “Saints quit”.
WELL?
He ran 14 times for a 136 yards with a 36 yard run
Almost half of those runs (6) are in the LAST DRIVE, including the 36 yarder, so he total 64 yards on JUST THE LAST DRIVE, right?
That drive begins at 4:13 left in. the game. It was the THIRD touchdown drive of the 4th quarter and, importantly, follows a deflating interception for the Saints
He runs for 36, 3, 0,12, 6 and 5 in a drive where his runs are every play.
We are LITERALLY running it down the throats of a team that got some hope going into halftime but then we stopped them and scored multiple touchdowns and this last drive with Tucker comes after a INTERCEPTION, so yeah that is a lot when they had QUIT
In the post above I provide the link to the highlights (all his runs) and point out that you hear (around 1:58 of the video) Greg Olsen say "wow, you just dont see holes like this in NFL football, especially not when everyone knows its the 4 minute offense."
Thats ONE drive, the last of the game. Not discounting his ABILITY just stating the facts
This is exactly correct.
And again we both like Tucker but he got the garbage time defeated saints runs.
Bucky has the drive prior but that was imo the dagger drive. He didn't get any of the last one.
But it's splitting hairs because Tucker is the third back for a reason.
It's not a conspiracy. He's good he's just not as good as White and Bucky inside of this offense.
And for the record I have no issue giving him more snaps
And, he was putting up big numbers in that game WELL before the “Saints quit”.
WELL?
He ran 14 times for a 136 yards with a 36 yard run
Almost half of those runs (6) are in the LAST DRIVE, including the 36 yarder, so he total 64 yards on JUST THE LAST DRIVE, right?
That drive begins at 4:13 left in. the game. It was the THIRD touchdown drive of the 4th quarter and, importantly, follows a deflating interception for the Saints
He runs for 36, 3, 0,12, 6 and 5 in a drive where his runs are every play.
We are LITERALLY running it down the throats of a team that got some hope going into halftime but then we stopped them and scored multiple touchdowns and this last drive with Tucker comes after a INTERCEPTION, so yeah that is a lot when they had QUIT
In the post above I provide the link to the highlights (all his runs) and point out that you hear (around 1:58 of the video) Greg Olsen say "wow, you just dont see holes like this in NFL football, especially not when everyone knows its the 4 minute offense."
Thats ONE drive, the last of the game. Not discounting his ABILITY just stating the facts
This is exactly correct.
And again we both like Tucker but he got the garbage time defeated saints runs.
Bucky has the drive prior but that was imo the dagger drive. He didn't get any of the last one.
But it's splitting hairs because Tucker is the third back for a reason.
It's not a conspiracy. He's good he's just not as good as White and Bucky inside of this offense.
And for the record I have no issue giving him more snaps
exact same opinion
actually excited to see what he becomes
