Up to this point it's pretty clear we don't have any kind of run game. I get the mindset of commitment to the run, however watching White running up the gut against the Eagles over and over was really painful to watch. Absolutely stubborn foolish play calling. And hurt my eyes to watch. The Eagles were by far more physical in the trenches. So you run it with white on our own inch line. How many of you knew the safety was coming? I know I did. He had no where to go on top of being hesitant. Adjustments were not made. It's time to let the passing game take presedence. The one lone TD drive in the fourth quarter was a thing of beauty. The team clearly had a different feel on that drive. You could see it. They had juice. This team is not built for run first. Anyways just my thoughts.
The team last year was something like 65/35 pass to run. With the GOAT at QB. The team sucked.
the offense looked different in the 4th quarter because it was the 4th an the Eagles were up 3 scores (I think)
the answer is to get better at running, not turn over the ball. It worked in 2 out of 3 games. The Eagles are exceptional, not the norm.
Two things
1. White is a terrible inside runner. He's too high, dances and has no leg drive. Giving him the ball backed up on the goal is the last thing I would have done. Not that it was his fault but he didn't exactly help.
2. Nick Leverett being on the bench after what he showed last year is criminal.
This was the type of game we watched all last year. The offense couldn't do anything for three quarters while the defense ended up being gassed because they were on the field so much.
Nick Leverett being on the bench after what he showed last year is criminal.
FFS...
Nick Leverett being on the bench after what he showed last year is criminal.
Nick is your new Scotty?
“The Eagles went into Monday night allowing 52 yards per game and 3.4 yards per carry and held the Bucs to 41 rushing yards on 17 carries for 2.4 yards a pop.”
I don’t think we can blame Canales for sticking to the run. That is all Bowles. You say “But balance for balance’s sake is no positive feat in and of itself.” But Bowles says that very thing is a positive. He says it so much that every NFL team knows we’re going to run it and keep the balance, whether it’s productive or not. He held that over Leftwich’s head last year, and we were even worse at running the ball.
I don’t think we can blame Canales for sticking to the run. That is all Bowles.
I think this is sort of semantics thing because fans seem to talk about running/passing teams with an "either/or" framing WHEN ITS NOT. They are connected.
Bowles fired Leftwich (in part) for not STICKING WITH THE RUN. True. The Bucs were an absurd pass first offense, something like 65/35. He hired Canales. Canales has said "balanced" and, in fact, really he talks just like the Eagles head coach, its just that he does not have the TALENT to pull it off.
This is Canales:
"The marriage of the run and pass, that is our identity," said Dave Canales. "It is things that start looking one way and end up being different. The way that we are going to do things is use things that are simple in context but complex in delivery. It will not be a lot of plays. It will be a few plays out of different personnel groupings and different looks."
"“If the runs [are] not working, we're going to throw it a little bit more, [and] if the pass isn't working we're going to run it a little bit more,” Canales said.
That quote could be the Eagles head coach, a run first team that made a choice to find THE SAME BALANCE that Canales is speaking of above. This was Sirianni responding to criticism then as to why they didnt just run all the time when their passing game kind of sucked:
"I’ll take you back to last year. After our loss against Tampa Bay, I want to take you into that meeting, take the fans into that meeting. The discussion was ‘Okay, we’re number one in rushing the football in the NFL, and we were number 23, number 24 in passing. We said to ourselves if we want to be the explosive offense and score the points that we need to, this needs to change. We need to be in the top 15. We need to still be the running team that we are. We still need to be a top-five running team, but we need to be a top-15 passing team to score the type of points that we know we need to score to do the things we need to do to win the division, to win playoff games, and so on and so forth."
A GOOD NFL offense is committed to running to control the clock, reduce turnovers (Hurts threw two picks) and MOST IMPORTANTLY to force a defense to defend the entire field. This is why Bowles defense and the Eagles defense are both focused on STOPPING THE RUN. It makes teams ONE DIMENSIONAL.
Two dimensional offenses WIN (Eagles head coach's point above)
This is why the Bucs winning it all last year was a total PIPE DREAM. They were as ONE DIMENSIONAL as you could be.
The Bucs committing to the run (at least as compared to last year) is a GOOD THING. Maybe not so good this year with low talent, but take it from the Eagles coach . . good to RUN and PASS
I can absolutely blame Canales... that safety was so fucking obvious. Run a sneak if you really don't wanna throw against 1v1 coverage.
I would have preferred PA.
Running on 1st down every drive is the same crap Lefty did.
Canales is way better than Lefty but he's middle of the pack right now in the league.
Running on 1st down every drive is the same crap Lefty did.
The posters who were the most vocal about that slid to blaming Leftwich for the types of rushes and then rejoiced that Canales was here. . . to silence now on Canales for running on 1st down
Running on 1st down every drive is the same crap Lefty did.
There were nine drives vs. the Eagles. Five drives started with runs and four drives started with pass attempts. The OC has been pretty balanced in his play selection, on first down and every other down.
I didn't really have any issue with the run/pass selection, as Baker Mayfield is historically just as likely to toss as Interception as any starting QB in the league. My issue with the run plays is we didn't see all that much creativity within the run game. I'd like to see more outside runs and misdirection. This team can't regularly line up and stuff it down anybody's throat between the tackles, much less Philly's stacked DL. Canales will need to improve in that regard.
hainseys ass was in mayfields face all game vs Jordan Davis with a 6 qb he can’t see over a 65 rhino in Davis the pocket or lack of one was very uncomfortable for mayfield
The run game there was absolutely no push in the middle and I hope we address the center position with something more sturdy, Hainsey needs to work more with Kelce another undersized center
The run game there was absolutely no push in the middle and I hope we address the center position with something more sturdy, Hainsey needs to work more with Kelce another undersized center
Id be interested to read peoples thoughts on this. Kelce is smaller than Hainsey and had the flu and yet the Eagles ran though us, including up the middle.
Seems one big difference is their guard play (not to take away form point about Hainsey)?
I think canales has dont a lot of variation of running it outside and in between the tackles his playcalling leaves alot of unpredictability, but that eagles run d is #1 for a reason its sound gap integrity football with very good dlineman who dont get pushed around.
We just had a playoff matchup with them and we'll have another go at them later in the season. I can talk about of things i don't like but there were some things that were there, it's just execution of cathching balls and making the easy play to keep chains moving, hurts was flustered by our D and does not have a good history against us. For these gritty wins we need to utilize godwin on the short routes liek smokes and a pounding back that can 3 yards falling forward, key to these games is keeping the chains moving and being efficient. Big plays usually come against bad teams who blew an assignment or just being better ala moss, we dont have a moss so we need to grind out these games.
