If a man wants to shower with women at the gym, would you tell any woman who took offense to it that "she's free to go home and shower if she has such a problem with it"?This is all too easy.
Deny it all you want, but this is suggesting that showering with a gay man is the same thing as showering with a woman. That being said it would mean gay dude = woman. Meaning you are gay yourself.
LOLYour logic is astounding. There are two people who are being forced to shower with someone who is attracted to them. One is a straight man showing with a gay man, the other is a straight woman showing with a straight man. You have everything mixed up. This is because you are very stupid.Two frauds exposed with one question, awesome.My work is done here. I have successfully exposed the two most outspoken people in this thread as frauds. Not that it was difficult. Carry on ladies.
Okay, let's see if I can say this another way.No one should ever be forced to do something they don't want to do in the workplace. If a player feels uncomfortable showering with another player, they should have the freedom to not shower with that person. Which they do. Whether that player is female, male, gay or straight, they should never, ever be forced to shower with someone they don't want to shower with. Yes, women have the right to question showering with straight men, just like straight men have the right to question showering with a gay man.My question is, and has been, why would you feel uncomfortable showering with a gay man. You indicated earlier that his potential attraction to you would make you feel uncomfortable. Given that Sam is a 20 year old kid who likely wouldn't be attracted to you in any way, shape or form, I don't see why you care.If he were to develop a crush on one of his teammates, he likely wouldn't make it obvious. In my own personal experience working in situations where I was intimately close to someone, in the workplace, who I was attracted to, I know these feelings can be controlled.It's not an agenda it's simply proving, through facts and logic, that your argument doesn't hold water because it's nonsensical, assumptive and baseless.If you, personally, would feel uncomfortable being in an NFL locker room shower with a gay man and would be unable to control your emotions or feelings, for whatever reason, that's up to you. A team of college kids at Mizzou last year were able to control it and had a hell of a season during this situation. Possibly you have maturity issues to deal with.If I were you, I would seek therapy.
So now the answer is, if you don't like it you have to go home and shower? This is what being equal means to a gay man such as yourself? Yep, that's absurd.So instead of trying to spin it into a situation that will never actually exist (players going home instead of showering at the stadium), how about you answer the question in an honest way? We both know why you won't. But let's see if you have the courage to try.
How can I answer that question when it's idiotic? You are basically calling a gay man a woman... That's just stupid. Two totally different things. If a gay man is equal to a woman then why do you have such a problem with them? Do you dislike women also?
Like I said, you're a very stupid person.I'm not calling a gay man a woman. I'm presenting an alternate scenario where one person is attracted to another person and they are forced to shower together whether both parties agree to it or not. You don't want to talk about this issue because it destroys your entire agenda. You can't force a woman to take a shower with a man, and you can't force a man to take a shower with a gay man. It's the exact same thing. If a woman took issue with being forced to shower with a man, would you say to her "what's the matter, it's not like he's going to rape you, get over it". No, you wouldn't. You're attempting to create different rules and different expectations because you're a gay man with an agenda. We get it, you're gay and your stance is perverse and has nothing to do with the actual NFL.
No one forces anyone to shower. You can go home and take a shower. Do you live in video game land?
Do you honestly believe players go home to shower after the game? Considering it's you, I wouldn't be surprised. According to you players are never even naked in the locker room, right? What a naive child.
Is there a law stating that players cannot go home and shower?What a naive child.
If a man wants to shower with women at the gym, would you tell any woman who took offense to it that "she's free to go home and shower if she has such a problem with it"?This is all too easy.
Is there a law stating that players cannot go home and shower?This is too easy with your FOX news worshippin ass.
And a third fraud has been detected, HAHA!Two questions, three frauds exposed. Not a bad ratio. Keep ignoring the questions ladies, it's working wonders for your argument. ;D
I just want one of the three gay men in this thread to answer this question honestly.Do women have the right to question being forced to shower with a straight man? Let's see if one of the three gay men in this thread can directly answer this question.
If a woman got drafted by an NFL team, then she should have the freedom to use the facilities, or not use the facilities, as she sees fit. If a married guy on the team felt uncomfortable with her being in the shower, would you defend him or her?
Give me a scenario that actually has a chance of happening, and we can talk. Again, your initial reaction to my question was to twist it around into something different. You flat out refuse to answer the question because you know it will expose your illogical agenda. You and the other gay guy who "responded" to this question are very transparent. Case closed. A legitimate question was asked, and two gay men, instead of simply answering, attempted to twist it around into a question of their own. I think we've all seen enough. Agenda exposed.
Let's review. You asked: "Do women have the right to question being forced to shower with a straight man?"I answered: "If a woman got drafted by an NFL team, then she should have the freedom to use the facilities, or not use the facilities, as she sees fit."I directly provided you an answer, then presented one of my own. Did you not understand the answer? I can explain it for you.
You didn't provide anything, you attempted to twist my question around to fit your agenda. We both know why. This is hilarious at this point. Two frauds have been exposed with one simple question. Gotta love that.
Okay, let's see if I can say this another way.No one should ever be forced to do something they don't want to do in the workplace. If a player feels uncomfortable showering with another player, they should have the freedom to not shower with that person. Which they do. Whether that player is female, male, gay or straight, they should never, ever be forced to shower with someone they don't want to shower with. Yes, women have the right to question showering with straight men, just like straight men have the right to question showering with a gay man.My question is, and has been, why would you feel uncomfortable showering with a gay man. You indicated earlier that his potential attraction to you would make you feel uncomfortable. Given that Sam is a 20 year old kid who likely wouldn't be attracted to you in any way, shape or form, I don't see why you care.If he were to develop a crush on one of his teammates, he likely wouldn't make it obvious. In my own personal experience working in situations where I was intimately close to someone, in the workplace, who I was attracted to, I know these feelings can be controlled.It's not an agenda it's simply proving, through facts and logic, that your argument doesn't hold water because it's nonsensical, assumptive and baseless.If you, personally, would feel uncomfortable being in an NFL locker room shower with a gay man and would be unable to control your emotions or feelings, for whatever reason, that's up to you. A team of college kids at Mizzou last year were able to control it and had a hell of a season during this situation. Possibly you have maturity issues to deal with.If I were you, I would seek therapy.
Fraud number 1, this debate has been put to bed. That happened the moment you intentionally ignored a question that easily exposed your agenda as a fraudulent PC phony. You want to assign different rules for different types of people and call that equality. That's how it works in PC land, not reality.You are a fraud. You have been exposed. Deal with it.Next time try harder, or be smarter. Fraud dismissed.
I just want one of the three gay men in this thread to answer this question honestly.Do women have the right to question being forced to shower with a straight man? Let's see if one of the three gay men in this thread can directly answer this question.
If a woman got drafted by an NFL team, then she should have the freedom to use the facilities, or not use the facilities, as she sees fit. If a married guy on the team felt uncomfortable with her being in the shower, would you defend him or her?
Give me a scenario that actually has a chance of happening, and we can talk. Again, your initial reaction to my question was to twist it around into something different. You flat out refuse to answer the question because you know it will expose your illogical agenda. You and the other gay guy who "responded" to this question are very transparent. Case closed. A legitimate question was asked, and two gay men, instead of simply answering, attempted to twist it around into a question of their own. I think we've all seen enough. Agenda exposed.
Let's review. You asked: "Do women have the right to question being forced to shower with a straight man?"I answered: "If a woman got drafted by an NFL team, then she should have the freedom to use the facilities, or not use the facilities, as she sees fit."I directly provided you an answer, then presented one of my own. Did you not understand the answer? I can explain it for you.
You didn't provide anything, you attempted to twist my question around to fit your agenda. We both know why. This is hilarious at this point. Two frauds have been exposed with one simple question. Gotta love that.
Okay, let's see if I can say this another way.No one should ever be forced to do something they don't want to do in the workplace. If a player feels uncomfortable showering with another player, they should have the freedom to not shower with that person. Which they do. Whether that player is female, male, gay or straight, they should never, ever be forced to shower with someone they don't want to shower with. Yes, women have the right to question showering with straight men, just like straight men have the right to question showering with a gay man.My question is, and has been, why would you feel uncomfortable showering with a gay man. You indicated earlier that his potential attraction to you would make you feel uncomfortable. Given that Sam is a 20 year old kid who likely wouldn't be attracted to you in any way, shape or form, I don't see why you care.If he were to develop a crush on one of his teammates, he likely wouldn't make it obvious. In my own personal experience working in situations where I was intimately close to someone, in the workplace, who I was attracted to, I know these feelings can be controlled.It's not an agenda it's simply proving, through facts and logic, that your argument doesn't hold water because it's nonsensical, assumptive and baseless.If you, personally, would feel uncomfortable being in an NFL locker room shower with a gay man and would be unable to control your emotions or feelings, for whatever reason, that's up to you. A team of college kids at Mizzou last year were able to control it and had a hell of a season during this situation. Possibly you have maturity issues to deal with.If I were you, I would seek therapy.
Fraud number 1, this debate has been put to bed. That happened the moment you intentionally ignored a question that easily exposed your agenda as a fraudulent PC phony. You want to assign different rules for different types of people and call that equality. That's how it works in PC land, not reality.You are a fraud. You have been exposed. Deal with it.Next time try harder, or be smarter. Fraud dismissed.
I answered your question, you claimed I ignored it, I showed you the specific answer to your specific question, you said I was twisting words, I explained the answer in depth, and then you said it was too late.You aren't a troll, you're just fucking stupid. I'm going to bed.
I just want one of the three gay men in this thread to answer this question honestly.Do women have the right to question being forced to shower with a straight man? Let's see if one of the three gay men in this thread can directly answer this question.
If a woman got drafted by an NFL team, then she should have the freedom to use the facilities, or not use the facilities, as she sees fit. If a married guy on the team felt uncomfortable with her being in the shower, would you defend him or her?
Give me a scenario that actually has a chance of happening, and we can talk. Again, your initial reaction to my question was to twist it around into something different. You flat out refuse to answer the question because you know it will expose your illogical agenda. You and the other gay guy who "responded" to this question are very transparent. Case closed. A legitimate question was asked, and two gay men, instead of simply answering, attempted to twist it around into a question of their own. I think we've all seen enough. Agenda exposed.
Let's review. You asked: "Do women have the right to question being forced to shower with a straight man?"I answered: "If a woman got drafted by an NFL team, then she should have the freedom to use the facilities, or not use the facilities, as she sees fit."I directly provided you an answer, then presented one of my own. Did you not understand the answer? I can explain it for you.
You didn't provide anything, you attempted to twist my question around to fit your agenda. We both know why. This is hilarious at this point. Two frauds have been exposed with one simple question. Gotta love that.
Okay, let's see if I can say this another way.No one should ever be forced to do something they don't want to do in the workplace. If a player feels uncomfortable showering with another player, they should have the freedom to not shower with that person. Which they do. Whether that player is female, male, gay or straight, they should never, ever be forced to shower with someone they don't want to shower with. Yes, women have the right to question showering with straight men, just like straight men have the right to question showering with a gay man.My question is, and has been, why would you feel uncomfortable showering with a gay man. You indicated earlier that his potential attraction to you would make you feel uncomfortable. Given that Sam is a 20 year old kid who likely wouldn't be attracted to you in any way, shape or form, I don't see why you care.If he were to develop a crush on one of his teammates, he likely wouldn't make it obvious. In my own personal experience working in situations where I was intimately close to someone, in the workplace, who I was attracted to, I know these feelings can be controlled.It's not an agenda it's simply proving, through facts and logic, that your argument doesn't hold water because it's nonsensical, assumptive and baseless.If you, personally, would feel uncomfortable being in an NFL locker room shower with a gay man and would be unable to control your emotions or feelings, for whatever reason, that's up to you. A team of college kids at Mizzou last year were able to control it and had a hell of a season during this situation. Possibly you have maturity issues to deal with.If I were you, I would seek therapy.
Fraud number 1, this debate has been put to bed. That happened the moment you intentionally ignored a question that easily exposed your agenda as a fraudulent PC phony. You want to assign different rules for different types of people and call that equality. That's how it works in PC land, not reality.You are a fraud. You have been exposed. Deal with it.Next time try harder, or be smarter. Fraud dismissed.
I answered your question, you claimed I ignored it, I showed you the specific answer to your specific question, you said I was twisting words, I explained the answer in depth, and then you said it was too late.You aren't a troll, you're just **CENSORED**ing stupid. I'm going to bed.
Answering a question actually involves answering a question, not spinning it around into a different question that you in turn demand an answer to. You ignored it, and everyone knows why you ignored it. The reason, of course, is because you would never tell a woman that she's being irrational for not wanting men in the shower with her in a locker room. You would never say "uh, it's not like he's going to rape you", that kind of thought would never enter your mind. You would immediately, and completely, agree with her that she shouldn't be put in that situation.But because you're such a PC phony, you believe that gay men shouldn't be held to the same standards. In your world, a gay man should be able to do whatever he wants and anyone who has a problem with it "needs therapy". Would you recommend therapy for a woman who doesn't want to shower with men in a locker room? Of course not, but you would if a straight man didn't want to shower with a gay man. That has been proven.You're a fraud, end of story. Your number one goal is to remain as PC as possible, if you have to defy all logic to sustain that, so be it. Grow a spine. Your opinion on this matter is WRONG. Fraud dismissed.
I just want one of the three gay men in this thread to answer this question honestly.Do women have the right to question being forced to shower with a straight man? Let's see if one of the three gay men in this thread can directly answer this question.
If a woman got drafted by an NFL team, then she should have the freedom to use the facilities, or not use the facilities, as she sees fit. If a married guy on the team felt uncomfortable with her being in the shower, would you defend him or her?
Give me a scenario that actually has a chance of happening, and we can talk. Again, your initial reaction to my question was to twist it around into something different. You flat out refuse to answer the question because you know it will expose your illogical agenda. You and the other gay guy who "responded" to this question are very transparent. Case closed. A legitimate question was asked, and two gay men, instead of simply answering, attempted to twist it around into a question of their own. I think we've all seen enough. Agenda exposed.
Let's review. You asked: "Do women have the right to question being forced to shower with a straight man?"I answered: "If a woman got drafted by an NFL team, then she should have the freedom to use the facilities, or not use the facilities, as she sees fit."I directly provided you an answer, then presented one of my own. Did you not understand the answer? I can explain it for you.
And you say that knowing damn well that the league would be forced to offer her alernative shower arrangements in that case, or lawsuits would flow. But straight men should get no such consideration in your view. Because its ok for a woman to not be forced to shower with a heterosexual guy, but a the same heterosexual guy should just grin and bear it when a gay guy jump into his stall.It's only your own bigotry that refuses to seethe parallels there. Open acceptance of homosexuality is going to have to come with some consideration of both orientations feelings. You are every bit as bigoted as those you rail against though, dismissing any of their feelings as mere Stone Age subhuman grumblings.
You guys are still talking about this? 17 pages no less! AMAZING!!!!!!!!!
You guys are still talking about this? 17 pages no less! AMAZING!!!!!!!!!
Our little Red Board Rainbow Coalition won't let it go . They will shame us all into climbing to a shower with Micheal Sam and soaping down his buttocks or they will be damned. LOL
I just want one of the three gay men in this thread to answer this question honestly.Do women have the right to question being forced to shower with a straight man? Let's see if one of the three gay men in this thread can directly answer this question.
If a woman got drafted by an NFL team, then she should have the freedom to use the facilities, or not use the facilities, as she sees fit. If a married guy on the team felt uncomfortable with her being in the shower, would you defend him or her?
Give me a scenario that actually has a chance of happening, and we can talk. Again, your initial reaction to my question was to twist it around into something different. You flat out refuse to answer the question because you know it will expose your illogical agenda. You and the other gay guy who "responded" to this question are very transparent. Case closed. A legitimate question was asked, and two gay men, instead of simply answering, attempted to twist it around into a question of their own. I think we've all seen enough. Agenda exposed.
Let's review. You asked: "Do women have the right to question being forced to shower with a straight man?"I answered: "If a woman got drafted by an NFL team, then she should have the freedom to use the facilities, or not use the facilities, as she sees fit."I directly provided you an answer, then presented one of my own. Did you not understand the answer? I can explain it for you.
And you say that knowing damn well that the league would be forced to offer her alernative shower arrangements in that case, or lawsuits would flow. But straight men should get no such consideration in your view. Because its ok for a woman to not be forced to shower with a heterosexual guy, but a the same heterosexual guy should just grin and bear it when a gay guy jump into his stall.It's only your own bigotry that refuses to seethe parallels there. Open acceptance of homosexuality is going to have to come with some consideration of both orientations feelings. You are every bit as bigoted as those you rail against though, dismissing any of their feelings as mere Stone Age subhuman grumblings.
Amen ....you have an articulate way of putting things , which succinctly blows away these ridiculous arguments. Another good post by Caradoc.
You guys are still talking about this? 17 pages no less! AMAZING!!!!!!!!!
Our little Red Board Rainbow Coalition won't let it go . They will shame us all into climbing to a shower with Micheal Sam and soaping down his buttocks or they will be damned. LOL
It takes 2 sides to keep it going so don't try to absolve yourself of half the blame. ;D
So what Vilma is saying is, if a straight guy happened to look at him in the shower it would be okay?
You guys are still talking about this? 17 pages no less! AMAZING!!!!!!!!!
Our little Red Board Rainbow Coalition won't let it go . They will shame us all into climbing to a shower with Micheal Sam and soaping down his buttocks or they will be damned. LOL
It takes 2 sides to keep it going so don't try to absolve yourself of half the blame. ;D
I haven't posted before this since page 10 ....so yeah I'm absolved. 8)Red Board Rainbow Coalition mad.
So what Vilma is saying is, if a straight guy happened to look at him in the shower it would be okay?
Yes . because you wouldn't have the awkward uncomfortable feeling that he may view your junk sexually.Which part of this is hard to understand again ??
So what Vilma is saying is, if a straight guy happened to look at him in the shower it would be okay?
Yes, It's that simple. the straight guy would look at him and then away as there is nothing desirable for him. The Gay guy looks at you and he is looking at what he desires for. / EXACT same as men showering with women.
