This thread is ridiculous. Get rid of of Doug Martin? Please give me some of what you are smoking. There is quite a bit of talent on this team. They just have to learn to play as a team
i dont see the big deal. RBs are a dime a dozen. they run through holes. some see holes a little better than others, but does doug really do that? he seems to be a great kid and teammate, a hard worker. but if you give me a 2nd round pick? i could use that chance on a much more beneficial position.
YPC this year so same lousy team, same suck offensive line and stupid offensive scheme so don't tell me about all those problems:Mike James 4.9 ypcBrian Leonard 3.9 ypcBobby Rainey 3.9 ypcDoug Martin 3.6 ypcYeah, he's indispensible. I know he had a good 2012 but he also piled but 317 carries, anyone would look good with that many rushes. For a 1 or 2 I trade him so fast Usain Bolt couldn't catch me.
Not saying he's untouchable, but you are selling him awfully short. He averaged 4.6 yards on those 317 carries - and fumbled just once! He also had 9.8 ypc on 49 receptions that year - that was good for 3 in the league behind Woodhead and Spiller. He's very good, he's not that expensive, and we need very good players. Mike James is interesting, but that's a tiny sample size.
McCoy, David, Revis...only 3 that should be considered safe. Everyone else at this point is expendable in my eyes. That includes Mark Barron. That includes Doug Martin. If Trent Richardson can be had for a 1st we might be able to get at least that for Martin. No one should be safe on the 32nd ranked offense.
Why in the world would you get rid of Martin? He is one of the big bright spots on this offense, that makes ZERO sense
That's the Red Board MO. Player gets hurt, he's gotta go. Remember when McCoy was a bust?
If by team you mean O-Line?.. then yes. I was excited when we built this expen$ive line and thought we were golden. Now if somehow Matthews slips to us in the draft, Penn is outta here, Nicks will be on the roster, but easily, may not play. Joseph doesn't deserve another year IMO. Basically you're paying him $6M to hope he gets back to alternate probowl status, before an ACL? Fuck it. Get a cheaper replacement and draft late round to get experience. Alex Mack in FA would be huge. Otherwise, talent just needs to be added at DE (J. Allen), WR, LB + Lovie & Co.. Obviously a foolproof plan Bucs fans be like
Continue to add pieces, drop dead weight, remain competitive
Remain?
HA!
When did you migrate here from Tbaybucs?
I say blow it up.
Red Board - build a team by getting rid of your Pro Bowlers
Red Board - build a team by getting rid of your Pro Bowlers
Well Joseph was an alternate in 08, and again in 2011. Then he had an ACL injury and sucked. SO you can keep him, and hope he comes back from an ACL after an offseason, pay him $6M a year and he could now be a top 20 guard. That's the ceiling. So yeah... plan for the future. ie the only way getting rid of Penn is feasible is if Matthews (who is regarded as a higher rated Luke Joekel who went #2 last year) falls to us...So again, yes. Get younger and cheaper, and better production for years to come. And Penn isn't a probowler. Go watch this last game against St. Louis and see a real probowler beat him for 3 sacks.... Robert Quinn says "Aloha."
McCoy, David, Revis...only 3 that should be considered safe. Everyone else at this point is expendable in my eyes. That includes Mark Barron. That includes Doug Martin. If Trent Richardson can be had for a 1st we might be able to get at least that for Martin. No one should be safe on the 32nd ranked offense.
Why in the world would you get rid of Martin? He is one of the big bright spots on this offense, that makes ZERO sense
Yes he was in 2012...but so was Josh Freeman. 2013 before he got injured not so much so. 3.6 a carry. Tedford has basically confirmed that the backfield won't necessarily feature a bellcow. Multiple backs can do that job. The main reason I'd be for a trade is the compensation. I look at what Cleveland got for Trent Richardson. If we could get a 1st I'd definitely do it. Fill another spot with ahigh end pick and get other RBs, guys who are easily replaceable BTW, later in the draft or UDFA or the waiver wire.
Sorry kid, this isn't madden. You don't blow up a roster and go edit other team's players into punters.
^ this will not go well
Let's say we did trade Martin for a first rounder. I think people here think that we'd simply be trading a very good starter at a non-value position for a very good starter at a value position? But how realistic is that? My guess is the expected value of trading Martin is = Very Good Starter x .5. In other words, we probably have a 50% chance of getting a very good starter at a position deemed more important than RB. Everybody loves the idea of trading Martin for Aldon Smith. Nobody seems to consider that we could end up with Shea McClellin.
Let's say we did trade Martin for a first rounder. I think people here think that we'd simply be trading a very good starter at a non-value position for a very good starter at a value position? But how realistic is that? My guess is the expected value of trading Martin is = Very Good Starter x .5. In other words, we probably have a 50% chance of getting a very good starter at a position deemed more important than RB. Everybody loves the idea of trading Martin for Aldon Smith. Nobody seems to consider that we could end up with Shea McClellin.
+100000000000000000000000000000000taking a known talent for the chance to get a talent or . . .a bust . . strange
Let's say we did trade Martin for a first rounder. I think people here think that we'd simply be trading a very good starter at a non-value position for a very good starter at a value position? But how realistic is that? My guess is the expected value of trading Martin is = Very Good Starter x .5. In other words, we probably have a 50% chance of getting a very good starter at a position deemed more important than RB. Everybody loves the idea of trading Martin for Aldon Smith. Nobody seems to consider that we could end up with Shea McClellin.
+100000000000000000000000000000000taking a known talent for the chance to get a talent or . . .a bust . . strange
And then some idiots want to trade a further HOFer in his prime in Revis for some draft picks because they assume those draft picks will be future Primes. Smfh
Let's say we did trade Martin for a first rounder. I think people here think that we'd simply be trading a very good starter at a non-value position for a very good starter at a value position? But how realistic is that? My guess is the expected value of trading Martin is = Very Good Starter x .5. In other words, we probably have a 50% chance of getting a very good starter at a position deemed more important than RB. Everybody loves the idea of trading Martin for Aldon Smith. Nobody seems to consider that we could end up with Shea McClellin.
Likewise what's stopping Martin from becoming the next 1 year wonder? Keep in mind he was not playing well BEFORE he gog injured.
Let's say we did trade Martin for a first rounder. I think people here think that we'd simply be trading a very good starter at a non-value position for a very good starter at a value position? But how realistic is that? My guess is the expected value of trading Martin is = Very Good Starter x .5. In other words, we probably have a 50% chance of getting a very good starter at a position deemed more important than RB. Everybody loves the idea of trading Martin for Aldon Smith. Nobody seems to consider that we could end up with Shea McClellin.
Correct but the problem here is that Martin's value add is so low that the risk reward works. I'd not trade VJax for example. Martin is a guy who is a workhorse but really if you have a back, say we RBBC, that gets 175 carries per season the difference between a "great" 4.8 YPC and one schlep getting 4.2 YPC is 6.5 yards per game. Backs are not that great at the margins.