6.3 yards per pass ranked 37th in the league. 37th in a 32 team league. Think about that.
Jdouble, I know you love that stat and from what I read it is relavent. But I know you realize that more than a QB's talent accounts for this stat.For example, lets look at other QBs with very low yards/attempt for the year. QB's with less than 7.0 are as follows.Matt RyanTom BradyMatt SchaubAndrew LuckJoe FlaccoAlex SmithEli Manning
Those are some nice names....unfortunately for your point, Ryan, Schaub, Flacco, and Eli had absolutely horrible years.....so yeah. Glennon's YPC number are still worse than that of a good QB having a horrible year. I agree.Look man, in all honestly I realize his supporting cast was not great and that effects a guys stats. The reason I always bring up that his YPC was 37th in the league is because people don't seem to get the correlation between that and only throwing 9 Interceptions. Of course the coaching and injuries had an effect, but that is no excuse for having the worst offense in football. Dead last behind even the Jaguars. Dead last in yards per pass. Glennon was ultra conservative and gun shy. We didn't take chances and we had the least amount of passing yards in the league. That is why his interceptions were low. Not because he is awesome sauce.
Had a bad year, yeah. Glennon had no right to ever be on the field this year. Do you honestly think that given another year, Glennon's Y/A is going to be the same?
Expecting us to draft a QB who is instantly BETTER than Newton, Ryan AND Brees is beyond unrealistic. We need to build a TEAM that can beat their team. Trading up to land a QB would rob us of TWO top draft picks we need at other positions in exchange for a QB who may NOT be as good as Glennon could become this year with a better OC and offensive teammates. In the event Glennon proves not to be "the guy" for Tedford's offense in 2014, THEN we can draft a top QB in 2015; even trade up to do it. Doing that in 2014 makes no sense to me at all. Lovie and most Bucs' fans want a fast ascention this year...
Had a bad year, yeah. Glennon had no right to ever be on the field this year. Do you honestly think that given another year, Glennon's Y/A is going to be the same?
Yes I do because he looked like the same exact QB he was at North Carolina State. He is what he is. If everything is perfect and he has time, he will make the throw and look very good....but as soon as the play breaks down he is done for. He's not a QB that can make things happen himself and make everyone around him look better. He is a guy that will be solid if you surround him with great talent and everyone stays healthy and everything goes perfect....which rarely happens.
Had a bad year, yeah. Glennon had no right to ever be on the field this year. Do you honestly think that given another year, Glennon's Y/A is going to be the same?
Yes I do because he looked like the same exact QB he was at North Carolina State. He is what he is. If everything is perfect and he has time, he will make the throw and look very good....but as soon as the play breaks down he is done for. He's not a QB that can make things happen himself and make everyone around him look better. He is a guy that will be solid if you surround him with great talent and everyone stays healthy and everything goes perfect....which rarely happens.
Thank you, please see my new thread which will describe your new number 1 QB prospect. I think you'll like it, give me a few minutes to finish it please....
Had a bad year, yeah. Glennon had no right to ever be on the field this year. Do you honestly think that given another year, Glennon's Y/A is going to be the same?
Yes I do because he looked like the same exact QB he was at North Carolina State. He is what he is. If everything is perfect and he has time, he will make the throw and look very good ....but as soon as the play breaks down he is done for. He's not a QB that can make things happen himself and make everyone around him look better. He is a guy that will be solid if you surround him with great talent and everyone stays healthy and everything goes perfect....which rarely happens.
You would expect Glennon to look the same whether he was playing in Tedford's or Sully's offense? Whether he was playing with last year's O-line or a better O-line? (How could that be with your comment in bold?) With Martin or without? With or without Williams? (How could that be with your comment in bold?)I think you're trying to say he doesnt have a high celing, but it comes out like your saying we got his best last year, which is hard to understand no matter what one thinks of Glennonalmost by defintiion, Glennon should be better next year . . in an offense that fits him . . with a better offensive line . . a solid running game . . and a better defense . . right?
No that isn't possible , vince , because Glennon is not cute.
can we get him plastic surgery???
No that isn't possible , vince , because Glennon is not cute.
lol
Yet another thread where guys who think they know the QB position are making judgements about a guy that, despite being a rookie in a system that was totally craptastic, and having a makeshift OL in front of him, he clearly sucks.../sarcasmJDouble, you made some really key points about Glennon...getting sacked repeatedly by a porous OL. No QB in this league would put up great numbers with that kind of OL performance. And their average yards per pass would be low from having to hit quick routes and checkdowns all the time. Not to mention the lack of receiving talent to throw to. Glennon was a rookie, yet he had one of the better QB rookie seasons on record...running an offense that took WAY too long to for pass routes to develop with an OL that rarely held up. Yet, somehow, he clearly sucks? I just don't get it. Let's see what he does with Tedford's offense. If Tedford has had as much success as he has had with the QB's he's put in the league, don't you think he might be able to get Glennon playing at a level above most average QB's...and thereby be more than good enough to carry this team on that side of the ball? If Tedford's offense can work as well in this league as his former players think, then Glennon will be just fine.God forbid if the Colts, after Manning threw a bazillion picks, gave up on the guy. That would have been funny. Look at SD giving up on Brees. Look at us giving up on Steve Young! You guys just never get it. You will never be satisfied with the QB here unless it's the guy YOU wanted, and the guy wins SB's every year throwing for 5000 yards and 30+ TD's. You have unrealistic expectations of the position.
I'm just gonna quote this little gem right here because I'm too lazy to etch it in stone like it deserves. Most of you guys need to accept that QBs need to be developed just like other positions. Yes it is true some look great right from the word go but that is extremely rare. Just because Luck and Wilson look great (please note that Wilson has a very strong defense and running game to support him) they are the exception and not the rule. Peyton Manning still holds the rookie interception record and only won 3 games his rookie year. It is way too soon to tell what Glennon's ceiling is and I think he has earned a chance to show us.
Gurantee you that if we draft one of the man-crushes mentioned by folks in this thread, they will be preaching patience and development. Why is it different now?My stance is that you have to take this season for Glennon with a grain of salt. He had good moments and bad. Show me a rookie QB that hasn't. He made some flash plays and he made some absolutely boneheaded ones. However, I think he demonstrated that he can play in this league. Im not sure that there is a rookie QB coming out in the draft that couldve done much better if at all if put in the same situation as G-Money. Of course, I am not a coach or QB guru. Pretty sure no one on this board is either. I'll default to Tedford's judgement given his extensive experience in coaching the position. If they deem that Glennon is the guy, then I think some stock has to be put into that. The 2014 season will be the ultimate judge.
We just traded Glennon for Tyrod Taylor. It was decided that Tyrod was better looking.
What it all boils down to is that Mike was running an offense that requires talented receivers making the correct read in combination with the QB making the right read. That offense did NOT suit this team's talent or QB's, and it showed. Rookie's take longer to make reads. Glennon looked safe for a while because the plays took too long to develop, and often weren't open enough for him, considering Jackson is the only guy we could force the ball into, and defenses knew that. Why did Glennon look so much better in the no-huddle, especially when he's the one that has to make the calls at the line? It forced quicker reads. When Glennon, later in the season, started taking more chances...what did we get? Interceptions. Do you really want the Favre model for QB play? Nothing discourages your defense more than when they just managed to get a tough to stop offense off the field than to have your offense go out and force a pass, giving it right back. You have to know when to take the shots and when not to.Glennon needs to learn more, but I would rather he follow the Brady model of simply knowing where the open guy is at the snap and making the pass just before the guy breaks open, so the pass doesn't get picked. I saw Glennon do that at times, but not consistently, which tells me he has the ability to do it, but needs time and help. It's harder to make that kind of read when you have the receivers making reads to. Just think how often the receiver and QB were likely not on the same page and it forced Glennon to either hold the ball, or look bad throwing it to the wrong location.The bottom line is we can probably win with Glennon if we fix the offense around him and give him a system that allows him to know where to go with it as soon as the ball is snapped. He deserves a year to be evaluated for that, and he'll have this off-season to impress the coaching staff. If he goes into pre-season as the starter, then we should back him until he proves he can't do it. To many of you have written him off way to quickly. I'm sure there were plenty of people who wrote off Manning 1 and 2, Brady, Brees, Rogers, etc... Let not one shortened, horrible offensive schemed year make THE call on the guy until you've seen him coached by much better coaches, and with, hopefully a better scheme and line.
I think Glennon benefited from having a couple of good receivers, he played as well as can be expected for a rookie. Not sure what "The Ted" will think of Glennon, but he doesn't throw interceptions. Other than his elongated wind-up/throwing motion - he reminds me of Brad Johnson. Never one of those guys anyone would ever say: "hey, I'm looking for a Brad Johnson-type QB..." but if you're a Dungy-ite, you probably value that more than anyone else.I'm underwhelmed with the offense at this point anyway.
6.3 yards per pass ranked 37th in the league. 37th in a 32 team league. Think about that.
Jdouble, I know you love that stat and from what I read it is relavent. But I know you realize that more than a QB's talent accounts for this stat.
He likes that stat because it's the worst stat he can dig up on Glennon. He wouldn't think it was remotely importat in evaluating a QB if it wasn't.
