After the season we are going to learn that Mayfield was more injured than we thought
We’re drifting back into Baker doubt? C’mon, expected a better take from you on this.Talk is cheap, but i will be interested to see how we perform next game with Mayfield and Bowles calling out the team
“We’re moving forward,” Bowles said of turning the focus to the Bills, the Bucs’ next opponent. “[Mayfield] said some things in the locker room, I said some things in the locker room. We kind of see things the same way most of the time.
“We understand where we are and what we have to do to get better. We’ll go from there.
“Baker is p!ssed. I’m p!ssed. The team should be p!ssed. Everybody should be p!ssed off.”
I cant watch post game pressers after losses so i would hope Baker is blaming himself alot
let's see in our annual nose dive so far
Detroit - put up 9 points, should have been 10 because of dumbass analytics, so we will give him 10 here
Saints - put up 23, but take away the Defensive TD and we are at 16.
Patriots - put up 23 but 7 points were garbage time TD when game was already out of reach, dumbass analytics took away 1 point from him so let's give credit for 17 points here.
averaging 14 points a game on offense...yeah be pissed off Baker...but more importantly, be better
Baker is playing closer to a game manager than an MVP candidate since Detroit.
But a better way to put it is Baker played well above his norm and carried us up until Detroit... Since he's come back down to either and isn't making miracle scrambles and throwing endless darts, it has exposed Grizz's play calling.
So in short, Baker has done far more good than bad and hasn't turned the ball over... Despite a new coordinator shitting the bed.
Baker hasn't played well but again this falls on Grizz.
I think he played well when he could find starting talent on the line & vets at WR (not to mention our starting feature RB).
Grizz hit some, missed some, Baker did the same. Baker has earned the benefit of the doubt.
We’re drifting back into Baker doubt? C’mon, expected a better take from you on this.Talk is cheap, but i will be interested to see how we perform next game with Mayfield and Bowles calling out the team
“We’re moving forward,” Bowles said of turning the focus to the Bills, the Bucs’ next opponent. “[Mayfield] said some things in the locker room, I said some things in the locker room. We kind of see things the same way most of the time.
“We understand where we are and what we have to do to get better. We’ll go from there.
“Baker is p!ssed. I’m p!ssed. The team should be p!ssed. Everybody should be p!ssed off.”
I cant watch post game pressers after losses so i would hope Baker is blaming himself alot
let's see in our annual nose dive so far
Detroit - put up 9 points, should have been 10 because of dumbass analytics, so we will give him 10 here
Saints - put up 23, but take away the Defensive TD and we are at 16.
Patriots - put up 23 but 7 points were garbage time TD when game was already out of reach, dumbass analytics took away 1 point from him so let's give credit for 17 points here.
averaging 14 points a game on offense...yeah be pissed off Baker...but more importantly, be better
Baker is playing closer to a game manager than an MVP candidate since Detroit.
But a better way to put it is Baker played well above his norm and carried us up until Detroit... Since he's come back down to either and isn't making miracle scrambles and throwing endless darts, it has exposed Grizz's play calling.
So in short, Baker has done far more good than bad and hasn't turned the ball over... Despite a new coordinator shitting the bed.
Baker hasn't played well but again this falls on Grizz.
I think he played well when he could find starting talent on the line & vets at WR (not to mention our starting feature RB).
Grizz hit some, missed some, Baker did the same. Baker has earned the benefit of the doubt.
Baker doubt? No way. Baker went from playing at an MVP level to more of a 10-15 ranked QB type game manager that isn't turning the ball over during a stretch where we haven't scored.
My opinion is Baker is no longer carrying Grizz and Grizz was never that good... It was Baker playing elite and once Baker regressed to average Grizz got exposed.
And when I say average I don't mean is IS average I mean he's PLAYING average.
He is banged up and not scrambling...
Grizz benefited from all those extended drives
And when I say average I don't mean is IS average I mean he's PLAYING average.
He is banged up and not scrambling...
Grizz benefited from all those extended drives
Good grief. How about a simpler explanation.
Our passing game last week was Egbuka, Tez and Otton and our run game was Tucker and white
Otton was targeted 12 times and had 82 yards, several key catches.
His 12 targets in that game are more than he had in the first 4 games . . because he had to stay in to block A LOT
Tez had 5 targets for 40ish yards and TWO TDS. It took him 4 games to get to his 5th target OF THE SEASON. He didnt even know the plays, deep on the bench behind guys like Shepard
Egbuka has gone from surprise rookie playing opposite of a HOFer and then Godwin . . . to DOUBLE TEAMS because the other options are Otton, Shepard and Tez. He is NEVER getting double teamed with a HOFer on the field opposite him. Even an injured Godwin got 10 targets.
Evans and Godwin gone now.
Bucky Irving was getting double digit carries and 5-6 receptions per game. He had 100yds receiving against the Eagles. White had 16 receiving yards against the Pats
So . . .
Mayfield is obviously injured. The early season games that are Evans, Egbuka and Irving are now Egbuka, Shepard (tez) and White
SO AGAIN I WILL ASK . . . if the quality of the players playing dpes not matter then Heck out and Goedke in should not have mattered, right? We had a great run game against a great run defense team
if the quality of the players doesnt matter than why is Egbuka getting double teamed now, but not when Evans was on the field?
We’re drifting back into Baker doubt? C’mon, expected a better take from you on this.Talk is cheap, but i will be interested to see how we perform next game with Mayfield and Bowles calling out the team
“We’re moving forward,” Bowles said of turning the focus to the Bills, the Bucs’ next opponent. “[Mayfield] said some things in the locker room, I said some things in the locker room. We kind of see things the same way most of the time.
“We understand where we are and what we have to do to get better. We’ll go from there.
“Baker is p!ssed. I’m p!ssed. The team should be p!ssed. Everybody should be p!ssed off.”
I cant watch post game pressers after losses so i would hope Baker is blaming himself alot
let's see in our annual nose dive so far
Detroit - put up 9 points, should have been 10 because of dumbass analytics, so we will give him 10 here
Saints - put up 23, but take away the Defensive TD and we are at 16.
Patriots - put up 23 but 7 points were garbage time TD when game was already out of reach, dumbass analytics took away 1 point from him so let's give credit for 17 points here.
averaging 14 points a game on offense...yeah be pissed off Baker...but more importantly, be better
Baker is playing closer to a game manager than an MVP candidate since Detroit.
But a better way to put it is Baker played well above his norm and carried us up until Detroit... Since he's come back down to either and isn't making miracle scrambles and throwing endless darts, it has exposed Grizz's play calling.
So in short, Baker has done far more good than bad and hasn't turned the ball over... Despite a new coordinator shitting the bed.
Baker hasn't played well but again this falls on Grizz.
I think he played well when he could find starting talent on the line & vets at WR (not to mention our starting feature RB).
Grizz hit some, missed some, Baker did the same. Baker has earned the benefit of the doubt.
Baker doubt? No way. Baker went from playing at an MVP level to more of a 10-15 ranked QB type game manager that isn't turning the ball over during a stretch where we haven't scored.
My opinion is Baker is no longer carrying Grizz and Grizz was never that good... It was Baker playing elite and once Baker regressed to average Grizz got exposed.
This right here
Baker entered the year was a top 10 QB...but during our 5-1 stretch was playing as a top 5 QB
He's down came back down to earth in the top 10 range, i'd still have him there.
and stating the obvious, not having any healthy starters will do that, but again the offense has put up 14 points per game the last 3 games. Nobody is winning that way. And whats concerning is that a shit performance was also had against one of the worst teams in the league.
Baker entered the year was a top 10 QB...but during our 5-1 stretch was playing as a top 5 QB
He's down came back down to earth in the top 10 range
This is 2022. Then, masked by the greatness of Brady UNTIL it it couldnt be any more.
Now, masked early by great play from Baker, but injuries or whatever that goes away and the offense crumbles.
The common thread between the two seasons is RUN game. Our run game was never developed in 2022. we were something like 70% passing some games. In 2025, the line is decimated
As i just posted in another thread we had a top 5 running game last season, bottom 5ish this season. Signs of life with Goedeke's return, but until it does return you defend 2025 Bucs offense much like 2022 Bucs offense. Dont let anyone deep (Mayfield talked about this postgame), double the ONLY true threat, Egbuka.
The Bucs need to run better and guys like Tez and Otton need to keep stepping up.
Thats actually the formula against the Bills, all the more so because you want to keep Allen on the sideline AND IT LOOKS LIKE RAIN . . . or SNOW
Egbuka
""Yeah, I have seen a difference," described Egbuka. "The Detroit game especially, there was a lot of double coverage. I would have an outside leverage corner and then a safety waiting for me on the hash or it would be a cloud to my side or the corner is inside leverage and the safety is rotating over the top. It is probably the best compliment you could get and then after the game, the coaches run up to me and say, 'I am sorry we have to do that,' and it is like, just let me play football. That comes with it and opens the opportunity for more guys."
Recall in 2022 Evans only had 6 TDs and THREE of them came in the last game where a coach who would be fired decided to MAN up against Evans. Every other game, shells and doubles.
Egbuka facing same stuff. He wouldn't be IF, for example, Irving was on the filed running for 5+ and catching 5-6 out of the backfield
or IF Godwin (or Evans) was on the field converting 10 targets to 75 yards an a TD
You have to make the defense pay for that kind of play
In 2024 the Bucs have a top 5 red zone scoring offenses (TDs). A HUGE part of that was the ability to run down tight because the efficiency of passing and running FLIP (less space)
In 2025 the Bucs have one of the worst red zone scoring offense (just like 2022). A HUGE part of that is the INABILITY to run down tight.
The . . GAME . . IS WON . . IN THE TRENCHES
where is the offense MOST NOTABLY injured in 2025?
We’re drifting back into Baker doubt? C’mon, expected a better take from you on this.Talk is cheap, but i will be interested to see how we perform next game with Mayfield and Bowles calling out the team
“We’re moving forward,” Bowles said of turning the focus to the Bills, the Bucs’ next opponent. “[Mayfield] said some things in the locker room, I said some things in the locker room. We kind of see things the same way most of the time.
“We understand where we are and what we have to do to get better. We’ll go from there.
“Baker is p!ssed. I’m p!ssed. The team should be p!ssed. Everybody should be p!ssed off.”
I cant watch post game pressers after losses so i would hope Baker is blaming himself alot
let's see in our annual nose dive so far
Detroit - put up 9 points, should have been 10 because of dumbass analytics, so we will give him 10 here
Saints - put up 23, but take away the Defensive TD and we are at 16.
Patriots - put up 23 but 7 points were garbage time TD when game was already out of reach, dumbass analytics took away 1 point from him so let's give credit for 17 points here.
averaging 14 points a game on offense...yeah be pissed off Baker...but more importantly, be better
Baker is playing closer to a game manager than an MVP candidate since Detroit.
But a better way to put it is Baker played well above his norm and carried us up until Detroit... Since he's come back down to either and isn't making miracle scrambles and throwing endless darts, it has exposed Grizz's play calling.
So in short, Baker has done far more good than bad and hasn't turned the ball over... Despite a new coordinator shitting the bed.
Baker hasn't played well but again this falls on Grizz.
I think he played well when he could find starting talent on the line & vets at WR (not to mention our starting feature RB).
Grizz hit some, missed some, Baker did the same. Baker has earned the benefit of the doubt.
Baker doubt? No way. Baker went from playing at an MVP level to more of a 10-15 ranked QB type game manager that isn't turning the ball over during a stretch where we haven't scored.
My opinion is Baker is no longer carrying Grizz and Grizz was never that good... It was Baker playing elite and once Baker regressed to average Grizz got exposed.
This right here
Baker entered the year was a top 10 QB...but during our 5-1 stretch was playing as a top 5 QB
He's down came back down to earth in the top 10 range, i'd still have him there.
and stating the obvious, not having any healthy starters will do that, but again the offense has put up 14 points per game the last 3 games. Nobody is winning that way. And whats concerning is that a shit performance was also had against one of the worst teams in the league.
And that's largely on play calling. Let's take the stats out of it... The eye ball tests shows that every conversion and play is difficult (low margin for error).
Double moves on third and 2 that take 2+ seconds to develop, long side of the field out routes, stretch runs to the short side of the field... Etc
Everything is low reward high execution to make work.
We have a zone buster in Tez and we barely use him there. We have White's elite ability in space. Otton is a safety valve. Egbuka creates separation...
The offense is boring and the plays are absolute trash.
I cannot get over throwing a screen to Sheppard on third and 9. So fucking dumb
Egbuka
""Yeah, I have seen a difference," described Egbuka. "The Detroit game especially, there was a lot of double coverage. I would have an outside leverage corner and then a safety waiting for me on the hash or it would be a cloud to my side or the corner is inside leverage and the safety is rotating over the top. It is probably the best compliment you could get and then after the game, the coaches run up to me and say, 'I am sorry we have to do that,' and it is like, just let me play football. That comes with it and opens the opportunity for more guys."
Recall in 2022 Evans only had 6 TDs and THREE of them came in the last game where a coach who would be fired decided to MAN up against Evans. Every other game, shells and doubles.
Egbuka facing same stuff. He wouldn't be IF, for example, Irving was on the filed running for 5+ and catching 5-6 out of the backfield
or IF Godwin (or Evans) was on the field converting 10 targets to 75 yards an a TD
You have to make the defense pay for that kind of play
Every team faces this unless you have two wr1
Egbuka
""Yeah, I have seen a difference," described Egbuka. "The Detroit game especially, there was a lot of double coverage. I would have an outside leverage corner and then a safety waiting for me on the hash or it would be a cloud to my side or the corner is inside leverage and the safety is rotating over the top. It is probably the best compliment you could get and then after the game, the coaches run up to me and say, 'I am sorry we have to do that,' and it is like, just let me play football. That comes with it and opens the opportunity for more guys."
Recall in 2022 Evans only had 6 TDs and THREE of them came in the last game where a coach who would be fired decided to MAN up against Evans. Every other game, shells and doubles.
Egbuka facing same stuff. He wouldn't be IF, for example, Irving was on the filed running for 5+ and catching 5-6 out of the backfield
or IF Godwin (or Evans) was on the field converting 10 targets to 75 yards an a TD
You have to make the defense pay for that kind of play
Every team faces this unless you have two wr1
right and do when the team faces that they go to WR2 or WR3 or TE or RB
Otton is the only true starter in the group. Coen had Otton but also Evans, Godwin and Irving AND A LARGELY INTACT LINE
and when they were injured the offense went down, down again and down again
lol
Please tell me you agree that Shep is not Evans or Godwin lol
Egbuka is great. Tez has shown he can scramble drill but there is no other 10 target person. Otton maybe is close
Egbuka
""Yeah, I have seen a difference," described Egbuka. "The Detroit game especially, there was a lot of double coverage. I would have an outside leverage corner and then a safety waiting for me on the hash or it would be a cloud to my side or the corner is inside leverage and the safety is rotating over the top. It is probably the best compliment you could get and then after the game, the coaches run up to me and say, 'I am sorry we have to do that,' and it is like, just let me play football. That comes with it and opens the opportunity for more guys."
Recall in 2022 Evans only had 6 TDs and THREE of them came in the last game where a coach who would be fired decided to MAN up against Evans. Every other game, shells and doubles.
Egbuka facing same stuff. He wouldn't be IF, for example, Irving was on the filed running for 5+ and catching 5-6 out of the backfield
or IF Godwin (or Evans) was on the field converting 10 targets to 75 yards an a TD
You have to make the defense pay for that kind of play
Every team faces this unless you have two wr1
right and do when the team faces that they go to WR2 or WR3 or TE or RB
Otton is the only true starter in the group. Coen had Otton but also Evans, Godwin and Irving AND A LARGELY INTACT LINE
and when they were injured the offense went down, down again and down again
lol
Godwin played 7 out of 17 games last year (41%)
Evans played 14 out of 17 games (but was knocked out of 2 early (82%)
Egbuka arguably a better WR than both of them this year. Emphasis on arguably. He's played every game but was limited for 2.
Bucky started 3 games last year but played all year.
Otton played 14 of 17 games (82%)
Goedeke played 13 of 17 games (76%)
Losing Mauch is big and Barton has massively regressed (again I think that's partially the play calling).
Tez and Egbuka have filled in nicely. I'm not so sure the injuries are that imbalanced comparing the 2 years.
I'd say Grizz has had a little more... Grizz new play caller and Coen had the benefit of Grizz.
But Coen also didn't have anywhere near the possessions and field position that Grizz has had... And Grizz hasn't been forced into shootouts like last year either aside from the Seahawks game.
There's a ton of moving parts but your narrative is iffy at best.
Ok, I get that, no disrespect intended. I’m still in the edge with Grizz, only because there have been so many setbacks with o-line and basically playing rookies, JAG’s and backups at skill positions - and a banged up QB - it’s hard to do a fair analysis.And when I say average I don't mean is IS average I mean he's PLAYING average.
He is banged up and not scrambling...
Grizz benefited from all those extended drives
