NFL Draft 2014: Mike Mayock talks second-tier quarterbacks By Sander Philipse? Feb 21 2014, 11:57pm
Derick E. Hingle-USA TODAY Sport Mike Mayock talked about a lot of quarterbacks in a conference call. We have all the quotes on second-tier quarterbacks for you. Mike Mayock held a three-hour conference call yesterday, and NFL Network was kind enough to distribute all of the quotes from that call. This means I get to go through everything, rip out the relevant quotes for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and present them to you. I decided to focus on the quarterbacks outside the top three. It's pretty clear at this point that Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater and Blake Bortles are well ahead of the pack, and that none of those quarterbacks is likely to fall to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers at no. 7. Even if they fall, there's no guarantee the Bucs will even be interested in any of them. Manziel seems like a poor fit with Jeff Tedford's offense, especially. But the Bucs do need to add some competition for Mike Glennon, or at minimum upgrade the team's depth at the position. Right now that depth consists of quarterback Mike Kafka. While the Bucs could certainly sign someone like Matt Cassel in free agency, they could look to the draft to find a developmental prospect in case Glennon fails. Derek Carr is an especially likely target, given his personal links to Jeff Tedford. Below you'll find all of Mayock's quotes on quarterbacks not named Teddy Bridgewater, Johnny Manziel or Blake Bortles. Overall I think Derek Carr from Fresno is somebody that people are trying to learn more about, and there's some interesting wild?cards this year, I think at request also. I think AJ McCarron is solid but he's a second or third round quarterback. I think Carr will fit into the end of the first round. Jimmy Garoppolo has really helped himself at east west in the Senior Bowl and two kids got hurt later in the year, indiscernible ?? from Georgia, I think depending on how their rehab goes could be third or fourth round guys that are developmental players. And I mentioned earlier, Logan Thomas, two years ago when I saw him play Michigan in a Bowl game I thought he would be the first pick of the entire draft, two years later, and since then, he's got two or three good tapes and the rest are really bad tapes. But he's still 6?5, big, beautiful body, can throw the ball and the other kind of wild?card I would say is Tom Savage that nobody talks about from University of Pittsburgh. He's a big, strong kid that can throw also. I think as you go down the list a little bit, there are guys like Stephen Morris and Tajh Boyd that are highly athletic and Logan Thomas to me is the wild?card of this year's quarterback class. He's got tremendous talent and mobile skills but he might not go until late in the draft. I think you'll see reflected throughout the quarterback class, there's a whole group of mobile quarterbacks that still have good arms and can throw from the pocket. Derek Carr http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8zGUnF3atI&feature=player_embedded Video via Draft Breakdown. I think Carr would be an interesting guy at 26. I do believe ?? I didn't love his USC tape in the Bowl game at all but I do believe he's got the arm strength and athletic ability to be a starter in the NFL. I don't think he's a Pro Bowl?type starter but he's a competent starter. You've got to ask yourself, at 26, are you getting significant improvement over what you think Brian Hoyer is, because if you're not, then you need to move on and get another positional player. Jimmy Garoppolo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTWi8kN8qnM&feature=player_embedded Video via Draft Breakdown. I like Garoppolo a lot. I was curious to watch him play at the East?West game because I had seen some tape. The first tape I watched he ripped apart I want to say San Diego State, I think it was. I thought, wow, quick release, good feet, big, strong, good?looking kid. When I got to the East?West game, I was anxious to watch him. What I saw on tape I saw that week and the following week at the Senior Bowl. So I thought he handled himself well and I thought he helped himself as much as any kid in the country did through the two?week period of the East?West Senior Bowl, went from a mid to late round question mark to a guy that could conceivably go in the second or third round. Teams are looking at potentially a starting quarterback. Tajh Boyd http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G5vLU_YCBI&feature=player_embedded Video via Draft Breakdown. Tajh Boyd is better arm strength than people think, good mobility, won a lot of football games, has some inconsistency on tape but he's a playmaker and I like that. He's a guy I think you get mid to late in this draft and you can try to develop him, so I like him. Connor Shaw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wauEBaa1upA&feature=player_embedded Video via Draft Breakdown The South Carolina quarterback, [Connor] Shaw, I think given his history medically and off the field, etc. , I love his toughness on the field but I'm just not sure if his body type, if his training is going to warrant taking much of a beating but I think he'll get an opportunity. Zach Mettenberger http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxXmGwDIpXU&feature=player_embedded Video via Draft Breakdown. Without the injury, I still don't think he's going to be a first or second round pick. I think what he is ?? and what worries me a little bit on tape is I think he stares down some of his intended receivers, I think the ball comes out late sometimes. He's not a guy that I think can start day one in the NFL anyway. So if you ask me how much it would impact him, the injury, I don't think quite as much as you might think on the surface, because I do believe he's got a lot of learning to do. I like his size, I like his ability and I like his arm strength. It's more just a matter of his footwork, being more consistent with the ball, his feet being lined up, getting the ball out and some of the reads he makes. I think he just doesn't get the ball out quickly enough and I think that's something that a young quarterback has got to develop. http://www.bucsnation.com/2014/2/19/5425974/nfl-draft-2014-mike-mayock-talks-second-tier-quarterbacks
I'm starting to warm up to Fales as a later round option. Arm strength is sup-optimal, but that's something that can improve in the pros.
Arm isn't great but better than practice at the Senior Bowl showed where he had a flu-like issue for the first couple of days. Like that he went ahead and competed even with that. I'm not a huge believer in arm strength for QB's. You can't be Gradkowski-ian but guys like Brady and Manning don't have big, big arms either. If he can be "good enough" he's a good heady player.
Is it important that they play quarterback well? If not I'd grab Logan Thomas in the 7th. He's one of those "all the tools" guys I like so much. Really reminds me of Josh Freeman tbh. QB coming out of highschool who had played some TE and was projected there by many services/schools. Big frame, very good arm strength, nice athleticism given his size. Didn't play the position as well as Josh did in college, but really not far behind. Hell, if he flops at quarterback (which he probably will) we maybe have a nice developmental TE prospect in the 7th (He was one of the top couple highschool TE prospects in the country heading to VTech).
I think TE is a better spot for him. i do not see him ever being an NFL QB. He has almost zero feel for the passing game and his accuracy is somewhere between a 3rd grade girl with a whiffle ball and a sawed off shotgun.
Any article about 2nd tier QBs that says Logan Thomas is a possibility, but fails to even mention Keith Wenning or Jeff Matthews name....is not worth the time it took to write or read.
It didn't JD. I totally pulled that one out of my ass.
Jimmy G has been interviewed by Bucs staff twice this off-season according to "sources".
I'm cool with Garoppolo in the 2nd. We need to bring in another QB and maybe he is the guy. We won't know if you don't try.....and he is much better than Carr. I actually sat down and rewatched his 5 games on draftbreakdown.com last night, and I think he is pretty darn good. I was thinking he was a 3rd or 4th round guy and putting him with Carr and Mettenberger....but I think he is much closer to belonging with Bortles, Bridgewater, and Manziel. The kid is impressive. The problem with taking him in the 2nd is that all the QB needy teams are picking before us in the 2nd round so someone might take him if they passed on a QB in the 1st round. We might need to trade back up into the late 1st like we did for Doug Martin and grab Garoppolo. At this point I think he is the best fit and most likely choice for the Bucs. Should be fun to watch all these guys at the combine today.Also, I am 99% Kafka is just a camp arm. I don't think they actually plan on him having any role on the final 53.
I'm cool with Garoppolo in the 2nd. We need to bring in another QB and maybe he is the guy. We won't know if you don't try.....and he is much better than Carr. I actually sat down and rewatched his 5 games on draftbreakdown.com last night, and I think he is pretty darn good. I was thinking he was a 3rd or 4th round guy and putting him with Carr and Mettenberger....but I think he is much closer to belonging with Bortles, Bridgewater, and Manziel. The kid is impressive. The problem with taking him in the 2nd is that all the QB needy teams are picking before us in the 2nd round so someone might take him if they passed on a QB in the 1st round. We might need to trade back up into the late 1st like we did for Doug Martin and grab Garoppolo. At this point I think he is the best fit and most likely choice for the Bucs. Should be fun to watch all these guys at the combine today.Also, I am 99% Kafka is just a camp arm. I don't think they actually plan on him having any role on the final 53.
I like Garo as well, and share the same concerns, but I don't see us moving up in the 2nd or into the 1st unless we trade down from the #7 to pick up some extra picks. I don't see Licht stretching for a need in this draft at all, too few picks and too many holes to fill.
Unless Bridgewater, Manziel or Bortles drop to the 7th pick then I'm more a fan of drafting Aaron Murray or Zach Mettenberger and redshirting them in 2014. Bring in a Veteran to push and teach Glennon. If Glennon doesn't progress in 2014 then you have a QB battle set for in 2015.
I agree 100% as Murray needs one more year to heal and with his competitive fire and ability, once he learns the pro game he sort of reminds me of the Tom Brady type of player; great in college, bypassed by a lot of pro teams and coming into the NFL with a chip on his shoulder to prove the "experts" were wrong. We do not need Bortles because he is a reach, IMHO; if we want someone like him, just trade for Gabbert.
Just say no to small school QB's. Johnny just ran a 4.5. Lynch was pretty fast too. Gimme Johnny. I think he's done with the off field charade.
Everyone gets their own opinion, but I can't take anyone seriously when they compare Bortles to Gabbert.
We're not drafting a QB.......maybe in the 30th round..........We need OL help and we need it now.........We also need DE help that can actually get some QB head...................Now STFU.
We're not drafting a QB.......maybe in the 30th round..........We need OL help and we need it now.........We also need DE help that can actually get some QB head...................Now STFU.
Good morning idiot. Are you still drunk or just stupid?
We're not drafting a QB.......maybe in the 30th round..........We need OL help and we need it now.........We also need DE help that can actually get some QB head...................Now STFU.
Good morning idiot. Are you still drunk or just stupid?
Anyway you see it is fine with me jtriple.........I don't care that much about anything you say......Have a nice day bro.
We're not drafting a QB.......maybe in the 30th round..........We need OL help and we need it now.........We also need DE help that can actually get some QB head...................Now STFU.
True but the Bucs interviewed Jimmy G twice. I think if he is there at the top of the 2nd they pull the trigger.
