If Kirk cousins goes for 500 again I'm gonna lose my mind
Agreed he should be fired, shoulda been fired after the Lions playoff game last year. What irks me most is QB's just throw to win against us and I see no evidence we can stop any team that can pass the ball.
Listen, Bowles isn't qualified to be head coach and never deserved the job. That being said, no way he should have been fired after last year's performance.
Yes, at 4-7, with one more loss, coming off Brady's only losing season as a 23 year pro - yes, i was ready to fire Bowles mid season.
BUT...after finishing the season 5-1, winning a playoff game and losing by 1 score to the Lions; yeah, he deserved to keep his job.
I'm afraid, 7-8 wins this year, given the injuries, and he keeps his job this year as well.
the only thing that could change that is if the offense continues to put up 25-30 points a game under Coen...he will get looks for a head coaching gig and at that point, we should do everything in our power to keep him in the building.
Canalas was a different story and while he was better than Leftwich, was not a miracle worker.
Coen is a miracle worker...he needs to stay
Guys. The fire able offense is how bad his defense is. It’s horrible. And that’s what he’s here to do… coach the defense.
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The Godwin injury is terrible, but I mean talk about double-talking hindsight. Bowles might get fired for the record the Bucs end up with, but not for Godwin's injury. The Bucs (and the league, really) dont work that way.
And Bowles is responsible for Evans injury? HUH? How about Evans dropping a TD is responsible for Evans injury? meaning, he's making the call on playing.
Guys. The fire able offense is how bad his defense is. It’s horrible. And that’s what he’s here to do… coach the defense.
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The Godwin injury is terrible, but I mean talk about double-talking hindsight. Bowles might get fired for the record the Bucs end up with, but not for Godwin's injury. The Bucs (and the league, really) dont work that way.
And Bowles is responsible for Evans injury? HUH? How about Evans dropping a TD is responsible for Evans injury? meaning, he's making the call on playing.
1.) yes, his defense is atrocious and he could lose his job from that but it would be end of the year.
2.) yes, having Godwin in down 3 scores with 6 minutes is awful AFTER the Evans injury.
3.) nobody blames him for Evans starting, I blame them for keeping him in after the TD when he clearly aggravated it. And yes it would have been smarter to rest Evans for Atlanta.
Debucsown, this is an interesting take you have
you along with Todd Bowles’s immediate family may be the only defenders of him for last night
Let’s say Mayfield got hurt instead out for season, down 41-18 in the 4th; does that change the “play to win the came”
good or non retarded coaches put the back ups in. To be down 10, with no time outs, under 1 minute to go; it’s looks pathetic #1 and #2 you risk injuries
Why would bowels do it here but in the Detroit playoff game he didn’t even use timeouts and let the clock run out. That was a 1 score game!
im defending him because im saying he shouldn’t get fired?
Again hindsight’s always 20/20.
easy to nitpick when something like a player injury happens. Did any of us want him fired prior to last night?
nope. If we won would we have wanted him fired? Nope.
because Godwin is injured we should fire him now? Obviously. Eye roll.
well first of all, at the very least this should put him on the hot seat. it was a bone head decision and one that cost the Bucs their season
While 98.8% of the fan base wants Bowles gone, realistically we all know that was not going to happen after last night. it's just the heartbreak of his incompetency which now made football meaningless for the rest of the year. We haven't had meaningless football since 2019. and if you don't believe me...Bucs went from being 3 point favorites against the Falcons to 3 point underdogs so Vegas knows what the 98.8% of us also know.
I think 50% of us thought Bowles never deserved the job to begin with, would up it to 98.8% (he's developed a floor support level) that wanted him fired if we were to drop from 4-7 to 4-8 last year
99.9% of us were on board for him to retain his job after the bounce back and playoff run. But that number was likely back down to 50% when factoring in "yeah but he could be on the hot seat in the 2024 season given the schedule".
The Bucs managed to perform as expected through this point in the season. They surprised with impressive wins against Detroit and Philly and dropped the Denver game but i think most had us about 4-3 through this point. A loss this week against Atlanta and we are not performing under expectations. (I assume you had us at 9-11 wins and a playoff birth)
What do you think the Bucs record will be now? with Evans out until at least the bye week and Godwin out for the season. Just curious, as what to see where your head is at
id be surprised if we made the playoffs sadly, I’m at 7-8 wins and yes largely due to the Godwin & Evans injury. I’ll be the first to tell you I went from potential Super Bowl run to missing the playoffs just based off those two injuries.
and prior to last year I was driving the bandwagon of Bowles is a great dc not a good head coach.
also didn’t like when we signed baker.
they both won me over last year.
is Bowles the best coach in the league? Nah. But he’s won here. Very few coaches are unfireable. But we all expected a rebuild post Brady that hasn’t came. It’s been a retool.
we have a chance to be even better next year. I hope we bring Godwin back.
ok so at least you have reasonable expectations as to what happened
I guess I look at it as the Strength of the team at least the last 2 years has been the offense. The defense isn’t nearly as good as it was in 2022. That’s called regression.
to me, we need an offensive minded head coach. Our hands were tied back in 2022.
i agree he isn’t going anywhere but that doesn’t mean he is a mediocre head coach; we win in spite of him
I wouldn’t go as far as saying we win in spite of him. Byron Leftwich? Him he won in spite of lol.
would 10-11 wins still be possible? Absolutely. Look at our second half schedule. Just need to beat Atlanta this week. If we lose this week and to kc watch out.
Where would all of you “fire Bowles” posters rank him among our head coaches ? We’ve had some pretty bad ones..is Bowles top(or in this case bottom) 3? I don’t think so. I know that doesn’t mean hey we’ve had worse keep his job but just talking comparatively speaking. Head coaches don’t grow on trees. Not too many BB or Mike tomlins or Harbaughs out there.
Guys. The fire able offense is how bad his defense is. It’s horrible. And that’s what he’s here to do… coach the defense.
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The Godwin injury is terrible, but I mean talk about double-talking hindsight. Bowles might get fired for the record the Bucs end up with, but not for Godwin's injury. The Bucs (and the league, really) dont work that way.
And Bowles is responsible for Evans injury? HUH? How about Evans dropping a TD is responsible for Evans injury? meaning, he's making the call on playing.
1.) yes, his defense is atrocious and he could lose his job from that but it would be end of the year.
2.) yes, having Godwin in down 3 scores with 6 minutes is awful AFTER the Evans injury.
3.) nobody blames him for Evans starting, I blame them for keeping him in after the TD when he clearly aggravated it. And yes it would have been smarter to rest Evans for Atlanta.
Yeah, kudos to White Tiger I think for calling for resting Evans na dithers, maybe?) for the much more important Falcons game.
I didnt get to see the last part yet but I thought the Godwin injury was later than this: "down 3 scores with 6 minutes is awful AFTER the Evans injury."
I get the point though and agree with the premise to protect Godwin especially because Evans is injured, but I think most posters are only saying that now because he got injured (later, I thought). Could be wrong about that, but that is basically hindsight. And it is inconsistent because, as you can see in the posts here, Bowles was criticized for the way the Lions game ended, so is he supposed to play to win until the final whistle or not? I get different games etc, so I just means in terms of the suggestion that he should be fired. Fans sort of have to pick a lane.
The loss of Godwin is devastating, but just like Evans playing, I think every athlete is wanting to play and win so I doubt Godwin responds well to sitting him with 6 minutes. Maybe they should do it anyway, but IF they don't and Godwin is never hurt almost no one saying NOT sitting him is a fireable offense.
Mike tomlins
Tomlin was sweating a bit with his QB looking like he couldn't throw a ball, but kudos to him for be willing to take the heat if he was wrong. Thats how all head coaches should be, but not in a world where the QB is sometimes in charge lol.
HUGE Godwin fan so absolutely gutted by his injury so definitely NOT criticizing the anger. Just pointing out that it is definitely hindsight. That should be obvious from the circumstances, but even if it is not, its pretty obvious from the piling on (fire him for playing Evans ets)
Heart-breaking turn to the season
Where would all of you “fire Bowles” posters rank him among our head coaches ? We’ve had some pretty bad ones..is Bowles top(or in this case bottom) 3? I don’t think so. I know that doesn’t mean hey we’ve had worse keep his job but just talking comparatively speaking. Head coaches don’t grow on trees. Not too many BB or Mike tomlins or Harbaughs out there.
how many of those head coaches had the talent this team does?
He inherited a team that in two seasons were a Super Bowl winning team, followed up with our franchise record in wins and turned them into a losing season.
in his 3 seasons as head coach:
2022 - their best defensive performance - ranked 10 in YPG - 324 and 13 in PPG - 21.1
2023 - ranked 23 in YPG - 344 and 7 in PPG - 19.1
2024 - ranked 31 in YPG - 395 and 28 in PPG - 26
shouldn't the defense be getting stronger under him? that's his specialty. instead they are liability
in 2022, the offense was atrocious and the defense carried to many of the wins in that shit season
in 2023, you can certainly say the defense was responsible for the 9-0 Carolina victory but other than that most of their strong performances were in the first quarter of the season (Vikings, bears, Saints) When the team went on its 5-1 streak, it was predominately the offense averaging 30 points a game. The Eagles quit and were pathetic so we can give them credit there but the defense faltered against the formidable lions
now lets talk 2024 - really no defending anything here. A good game against Detroit but other than that you will win a lot of games scoring 30 points in this league, yet we are just 3-2 when scoring 30 points.
Listen, somehow manage to beat the Falcons this week, then i may lighten up but the disdain for Bowles will only continue to grow as we watch this season turn to shit
i mean where do you rank Todd Bowles?
He doesn't sniff the top 10
if you break it out in thirds - top 10, next 10, bottom 12....he's probably right on the fringe of tier 2 and 3...that 19 to 22 range
i don't think it's hard to ask for a top 10 coach at least....Bruce Arians after all, was probably right on the fringe there when he came to the Bucs in 2019.
how many of those head coaches had the talent this team does?
shouldn't the defense be getting stronger under him?
This is the toughest thing about evaluating him
they also did nothing really to immediately upgrade the pass rush
they absolutely tried to go with the bubble gum and paper clios approach at LB (as great as he is even LVD has slowed)
They partially addressed the backfield, but even there made a move that has mostly worked out (letting Davis go) but are still pretty young
In any event, Bowles is probably the right coach for this situation
Recall that the Bucs were supposed to be shit last year and went into the playoffs and this year they are mostly playing really well . . but INJURIES have caught up.
Mike tomlins
Tomlin was sweating a bit with his QB looking like he couldn't throw a ball, but kudos to him for be willing to take the heat if he was wrong. Thats how all head coaches should be, but not in a world where the QB is sometimes in charge lol.
yeah that was laughable several years ago that he was on “the hot seat”. Guess how many head coaches the Steelers have had in their history? 3. Remarkable. Talk about a stable organization.
some Steelers fans are even upset fields got benched for Wilson. How do you bench a qb of a 4-2 team?!
whoever gives you the best chance to win I guess? Keep it simple stupid.
Put it this way, IF the Ravens game is just a loss -- no big injuries -- almost everyone on this board post some version of "no big deal onto the Falcons.**" A win against the Falcons and everyone is thinking playoffs.
Now, one significant injury and the board is covered with discussions about how bad Bowles is. .. . in EVERY ASPECT. lol
** some were posting that BEFORE the Ravens game in acceptance of a loss
Where would all of you “fire Bowles” posters rank him among our head coaches ? We’ve had some pretty bad ones..is Bowles top(or in this case bottom) 3? I don’t think so. I know that doesn’t mean hey we’ve had worse keep his job but just talking comparatively speaking. Head coaches don’t grow on trees. Not too many BB or Mike tomlins or Harbaughs out there.
how many of those head coaches had the talent this team does?
He inherited a team that in two seasons were a Super Bowl winning team, followed up with our franchise record in wins and turned them into a losing season.
in his 3 seasons as head coach:
2022 - their best defensive performance - ranked 10 in YPG - 324 and 13 in PPG - 21.1
2023 - ranked 23 in YPG - 344 and 7 in PPG - 19.1
2024 - ranked 31 in YPG - 395 and 28 in PPG - 26
shouldn't the defense be getting stronger under him? that's his specialty. instead they are liability
in 2022, the offense was atrocious and the defense carried to many of the wins in that shit season
in 2023, you can certainly say the defense was responsible for the 9-0 Carolina victory but other than that most of their strong performances were in the first quarter of the season (Vikings, bears, Saints) When the team went on its 5-1 streak, it was predominately the offense averaging 30 points a game. The Eagles quit and were pathetic so we can give them credit there but the defense faltered against the formidable lions
now lets talk 2024 - really no defending anything here. A good game against Detroit but other than that you will win a lot of games scoring 30 points in this league, yet we are just 3-2 when scoring 30 points.
Listen, somehow manage to beat the Falcons this week, then i may lighten up but the disdain for Bowles will only continue to grow as we watch this season turn to shit
i mean where do you rank Todd Bowles?
He doesn't sniff the top 10
if you break it out in thirds - top 10, next 10, bottom 12....he's probably right on the fringe of tier 2 and 3...that 19 to 22 range
i don't think it's hard to ask for a top 10 coach at least....Bruce Arians after all, was probably right on the fringe there when he came to the Bucs in 2019.
agreed with his rankings I’d say somewhere 15-25. Let me ask you this. How many NFL head coaches are also the DC and call the defensive plays?
I don’t know myself but curious how many do that & to what level of success. And same for the opposite how many are the OC and call offensive plays? Maybe Sean mcvay?
Larry Foote was co DC at one point with I forget who. Now it’s the ILb coach/passing game coordinator
