I heard both Keyshawn Johnson & Michael Irvin denying this today. Both were on different sides of having your star receivers (and to Keyshawn’s point, Baker shouldn’t have been in there either on the drive that ended Godwin’s regular season)…but they BOTH agreed they would have wanted/argued to BE in the game at that moment…
But Michael Irvin summed it up best, “in that situation, you want your coaches to save you from you…”
I find it difficult to follow Irvin sometimes, but that was pretty clear, and where I sit. I don’t put that on Bowles alone, Coen and the WR coach share in the culpability.
I do NOT fall in the camp of firing Bowels. Yes, this defense sucks…but starting with Calijah in the pre-season, and the massive hit we took away from the win over The Football Team, and then the losses of AWJ, Vita Vea, Bryce Hall, SirVocea Dennis…have rocked this defense… in fact, most of us thought Bowles was a magician for putting a defense together in Detroit that held the Lions to 16 points - and then the Eagles to 16…
The problem is an unprecedented loss of starters on defense we KNEW was light on talent coming in.
I’m as frustrated as any Buc fan - but we all know that he’s fielding a defense that’s being held together with duct tape & baling wire.
As much as I ripped him for seemingly giving up in the playoff game against Detroit for NOT calling a time out - it is a bit hypocritical of me for ripping him for going for it. However, I had already made the case for resting Mike and any other starter that needed some time, AND there was absolutely no way we were winning that Ravens game with 59 seconds left and down 10 points, even less than zero chance of doing it with 40 seconds on the clock (the time left just before Godwin went down).
I can make a louder case for leaving Baker in there AFTER Chris went down…when the Ravens were tee-ing him up.
Those are things I criticize him for - but those are things you need to learn to do to protect your team from the perspective of the head coach. Yes, I understand trying to win every game,
I think he should have sat Mike after the first TD.
he should have sat Baker & Godwin with a minute left and we were down 10. He still would have been barbecued by us fans, but he’d still have Godwin for the Atlanta game.
But the defense is still depleted, banged up, and missing key starters at critical spots…every team struggles with this every season, some get hit harder than others - that’s where we are.
Summation: I do NOT think Todd Bowles should be fired. I do think we need an infusion of talent on defense - before the trade deadline. Will it guarantee a Super Bowl run? Heck no. But I thought we were a year away from that anyway…but there will be teams out of the playoff picture looking to trade real starters at positions we will need BEFORE the trade deadline - THAT is on Licht and he needs to dial up an Edge Rush/OLB and a Corner to salvage THIS season.
I do think we need an infusion of talent on defense - before the trade deadline. Will it guarantee a Super Bowl run? Heck no.
And...that's why you don't do it.
And same for the opposite how many are the OC and call offensive plays?
Most of them, actually. Reid, Shanahan, McVay, Payton, O’Connell, McCarthy, McDaniel, LaFluer, Daboll, Canales, etc..
Bowles is in the minority among defensive coaches, but most offensive HC’s call plays.
I don’t know, depends on some of the options. It’s not like we will be displacing anyone currently on the roster..I do think we need an infusion of talent on defense - before the trade deadline. Will it guarantee a Super Bowl run? Heck no.
And...that's why you don't do it.
I don’t know, depends on some of the options.
It would have to be a Crosby like trade.
Outside of that, pass.
Finish out the season with what you have and regroup after the campaign in FA/Draft.
I'd be going straight to the browns and seeing what they're willing to part with on defense
I do think we need an infusion of talent on defense - before the trade deadline. Will it guarantee a Super Bowl run? Heck no.
And...that's why you don't do it.
well exactly, without Evans and Godwin, we are about as good as the Raiders...so not sure why we would add Crosby.
Sure, he's a building block for the next 5 years....but you will find out the rest of this year what life is like without Godwin and thus the Bucs will certainly franchise tag him so not sure we have the cap space for Crosby.
so not sure why we would add Crosby.
Because he’s a franchise pass rusher and a workable contract. If we wanted to re-sign Godwin, we still could.
I do think we need an infusion of talent on defense - before the trade deadline. Will it guarantee a Super Bowl run? Heck no.
And...that's why you don't do it.
well exactly, without Evans and Godwin, we are about as good as the Raiders...so not sure why we would add Crosby.
Sure, he's a building block for the next 5 years....but you will find out the rest of this year what life is like without Godwin and thus the Bucs will certainly franchise tag him so not sure we have the cap space for Crosby.
Same as the raiders? No way
I do think we need an infusion of talent on defense - before the trade deadline. Will it guarantee a Super Bowl run? Heck no.
And...that's why you don't do it.
well exactly, without Evans and Godwin, we are about as good as the Raiders...so not sure why we would add Crosby.
Sure, he's a building block for the next 5 years....but you will find out the rest of this year what life is like without Godwin and thus the Bucs will certainly franchise tag him so not sure we have the cap space for Crosby.
Same as the raiders? No way
i sure hope i am over estimating the impact of Evans/Godwin loss and that these young guys step up
I do think we need an infusion of talent on defense - before the trade deadline. Will it guarantee a Super Bowl run? Heck no.
And...that's why you don't do it.
well exactly, without Evans and Godwin, we are about as good as the Raiders...so not sure why we would add Crosby.
Sure, he's a building block for the next 5 years....but you will find out the rest of this year what life is like without Godwin and thus the Bucs will certainly franchise tag him so not sure we have the cap space for Crosby.
Same as the raiders? No way
i sure hope i am over estimating the impact of Evans/Godwin loss and that these young guys step up
I don’t know. I think you have a good point because lose those two and the running game should see more defenders in the box.
Seahawks beat them, Geno only had 200 yards passing, with 103 yards rushing. Kirk suffered 3 sacks and 2 INT’s.I do think we need an infusion of talent on defense - before the trade deadline. Will it guarantee a Super Bowl run? Heck no.
And...that's why you don't do it.
well exactly, without Evans and Godwin, we are about as good as the Raiders...so not sure why we would add Crosby.
Sure, he's a building block for the next 5 years....but you will find out the rest of this year what life is like without Godwin and thus the Bucs will certainly franchise tag him so not sure we have the cap space for Crosby.
Same as the raiders? No way
i sure hope i am over estimating the impact of Evans/Godwin loss and that these young guys step up
I don’t know. I think you have a good point because lose those two and the running game should see more defenders in the box.
Not going to do it without a passing game though, so our receivers are going to have to step up.
Seahawks beat them, Geno only had 200 yards passing, with 103 yards rushing. Kirk suffered 3 sacks and 2 INT’s.I do think we need an infusion of talent on defense - before the trade deadline. Will it guarantee a Super Bowl run? Heck no.
And...that's why you don't do it.
well exactly, without Evans and Godwin, we are about as good as the Raiders...so not sure why we would add Crosby.
Sure, he's a building block for the next 5 years....but you will find out the rest of this year what life is like without Godwin and thus the Bucs will certainly franchise tag him so not sure we have the cap space for Crosby.
Same as the raiders? No way
i sure hope i am over estimating the impact of Evans/Godwin loss and that these young guys step up
I don’t know. I think you have a good point because lose those two and the running game should see more defenders in the box.
Not going to do it without a passing game though, so our receivers are going to have to step up.
yeah, i dont see Baker being to keep up this pace. i think you see a significant hit to his numbers the next 3 weeks. I think we will struggle to put up 20 points.
but again, i hope i am being a negative Nancy.
one thing is for sure...if we manage to win 2 out of the next 3 without our WRs....we probably need to extend Bowles and Mayfield right now!
@badabingbucs slow down man…just focusing on getting ONE win right now.
History has proven that I get into trouble looking too far down the road…
