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Remember when Mayfield was going to drag the Bucs down with his contract?

 

"The Jacksonville Jaguars and Trevor Lawrence have reached an agreement on a five-year contract extension, the team announced Friday. The deal is worth $275 million, tying Joe Burrow as the highest-paid quarterback in NFL history, CBS Sports lead NFL insider Jonathan Jones confirmed.

Lawrence becomes the fourth quarterback to make $200 million fully guaranteed in a contract, joining Deshaun Watson (who received $230 million guaranteed in his 2022 deal), Joe Burrow ($219.01 million in guarantees) and Justin Herbert ($218.7 million guaranteed). Lawrence gets $142 million at signing, per ESPN, and will make an average annual salary of $55 million per year -- tying Burrow for the biggest per-year salary in the league."

 

In related news . . 

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/yes-some-owners-have-discussed-limiting-quarterback-contracts

 

 
Posted : Jun. 20, 2024 3:33 pm
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are Bird Rights coming to the NFL?

 
Posted : Jun. 20, 2024 3:34 pm
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Just skimming the contract on Spotrac, it looks like a 5-year deal for $200 million, or essentially $40 million/yr for 5 years.  Still a lot of $$$, but it doesn't look like the hamstringer I initially thought it was.  Fwiw, I don't think Trevor is worth that contract ultimately, but it's not as far out of line as it seems superficialy.

 
Posted : Jun. 21, 2024 4:25 pm
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Posted by: @bucsbits

Remember when Mayfield was going to drag the Bucs down with his contract?

He was never going to. He's not an elite QB. 

The Baker nut goblins were the ones claiming the only way we would be able to keep him would be to sign a ridiculous contract.

FA proved he wasn't elite. 

Hence, JL signing him to a deal that's essentially a series of 1-year contracts. 

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"The Jacksonville Jaguars and Trevor Lawrence have reached an agreement on a five-year contract extension, the team announced Friday.

It's funny how the casuals predictably overreact to contracts like this. 

In the 5 years of that deal, he'll exceed $35M + once in regards to cap hit. They'll restructure after that point if they keep him. 

 

 

 
Posted : Jun. 22, 2024 6:33 pm
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the casuals

lol. 

NFL owners reportedly discussed a QB cap and the Bird exception. The second paragraph was the focus. Jags QB just latest example of market  

A while back there was a thread here about whether the QB-centric approach of the NFL was sustainable. It should be but several QBs have reportedly sought % of cap money so getting interesting. 

 
Posted : Jun. 22, 2024 7:27 pm
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essentially $40 million/yr

This rough number was used often in the thread discussing Mayfield’s potential contract. 

 
Posted : Jun. 22, 2024 7:30 pm
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are Bird Rights coming to the NFL?

Teams like the Bucs will cry foul, because the highest paid player is not a QB, or won't be once Wirfs gets his new deal.    The salary cap works fine.  It's up to the teams to figure out how much of the cap they should allot to the QB.  There's no need for a rule to protect teams from themselves. 

 

 
Posted : Jun. 22, 2024 8:12 pm
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are Bird Rights coming to the NFL?

Teams like the Bucs will cry foul, because the highest paid player is not a QB, or won't be once Wirfs gets his new deal.    The salary cap works fine.  It's up to the teams to figure out how much of the cap they should allot to the QB.  There's no need for a rule to protect teams from themselves. 

 

 

I agree 

 

I was only saying that the rule has been mentioned for the same reason it was mentioned with Bird.  Simpler than that you see fans talking out the need to win in a QBs first contract. In other words, it’s on fans’ and owners’ minds. 

 

 
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Posted by: @feelindangerous06

essentially $40 million/yr

This rough number was used often in the thread discussing Mayfield’s potential contract. 

Lawrence's Cap Hit:

2024 - $15M

2025 - $17M

2026 - $24M

2027 - $35M

2028 - $47M

2029 - Potential Out - $78.5M - ZERO DEAD CAP (if they keep him, they'll restructure prior to 2029)

Far cry from $40M a year, when in actuality, it factors out to around $27M-$28M per year against the cap. 

 

 

 
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Posted by: @feelindangerous06

essentially $40 million/yr

This rough number was used often in the thread discussing Mayfield’s potential contract. 

Lawrence's Cap Hit:

2024 - $15M

2025 - $17M

2026 - $24M

2027 - $35M

2028 - $47M

2029 - Potential Out - $78.5M - ZERO DEAD CAP (if they keep him, they'll restructure prior to 2029)

Far cry from $40M a year, when in actuality, it factors out to around $27M-$28M per year against the cap. 

 

 

 

you quoted me but your reply isn't about my post, I dont think?

 

I was only saying that the $40 million number was a number in the Mayfield discussion before his contract. It was the name of a thread, that thread being started by a "report" suggesting he might get that much

 

https://www.pewterreport.com/community/the-red-board/baker-40m/

 

 
Posted : Jun. 22, 2024 10:43 pm
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Dak Prescott will be NFL's first $60 million per year player, per insider

NFL insider Jordan Schultz believes Trevor Lawrence's deal reassures Dak Prescott will be the first $60 million per year player.
 
Posted : Jun. 24, 2024 10:33 pm
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Dak Prescott will be NFL's first $60 million per year player, per insider

NFL insider Jordan Schultz believes Trevor Lawrence's deal reassures Dak Prescott will be the first $60 million per year player.

 

i mean, it's moments like this where it's hard not to be grateful for the contracts we've had with Brady and then Mayfield.

so Mayfield is at $33.3M per year which makes you keep guys like Winfield, Evans, Wirfs, etc.

Prescott will play good when it doesn't matter but transition into a women when the playoffs come.  Now, not saying Mayfield can win a Super bowl but he has more "IT" dawg factor in him then Prescott does 

 

 

 

 
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Lol, Jerry just can't help himself.  

 
Posted : Jun. 25, 2024 5:01 pm
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The QB position is weird to me because there's a TON of viable mid tier QBs.

Like, unlimited. And every year we get 5 more... And certainly 5 more aren't retiring.

There's only a handful of elite QBs tho. 

So how do you want to structure your roster? Get a solid mid-tier QB and stack your team around him?

Or pay 35-40m/year for upper tier or 45-50m/year for elite.

I think most would prefer to have an elite QB.

I'd rather have Baker skillset and contract vs Trevor Lawrence... But it's close. 

I find the whole thing fascinating. 

That's why a contract like Derek Carr is quite possibly the worst in the league. 

I don't think you'll see players like Blake Bortles get these massive contracts anymore (but maybe I'm wrong).

 
Posted : Jun. 29, 2024 3:39 am
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The QB position is weird to me because there's a TON of viable mid tier QBs.

Like, unlimited. And every year we get 5 more... And certainly 5 more aren't retiring.

There's only a handful of elite QBs tho. 

So how do you want to structure your roster? Get a solid mid-tier QB and stack your team around him?

Or pay 35-40m/year for upper tier or 45-50m/year for elite.

I think most would prefer to have an elite QB.

I'd rather have Baker skillset and contract vs Trevor Lawrence... But it's close. 

I find the whole thing fascinating. 

That's why a contract like Derek Carr is quite possibly the worst in the league. 

I don't think you'll see players like Blake Bortles get these massive contracts anymore (but maybe I'm wrong).

 
Posted : Jun. 29, 2024 3:39 am
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