Y'all gonna tell me the moon landing is fake next?
Again, TWICE Chubb has taken a knee at the one to seal a win. Of all the RBs to roll the dice on, he is not the one.
I don't think Bowles did it but if he did, it's actually pretty stupid. Again a knee at the 1 and it's a chip shot, no ball back, and we are calling for his head
Have you watched McLaughlin kick this year? You are literally making a decision on whose hands you want the game to be in, Baker’s or McLaughlin’s. I think he could get cut if he has one more miss. It really puts us in a bind.
You're ignoring the huge gap in the logic of letting him score..so I will say it again and expect a direct answer.
Chubb has twice before taken a slide at the one to win games. He is smart enough to do so... He's proven that.
If we did let him score but he goes down at the 1, we never get the ball back and they win by 2....and nobody is calling this alleged move a smart move.
Players are acting daft about it to so I am starting to think it might be true... But again what a massive gamble when Chubb could have taken a knee and that's game. Plus we had to get the stop on the 2 point conversion.
You're ignoring the huge gap in the logic of letting him score
agreed
Who is to say which side is correct?
When I rewatch the play I agree that play does stand out a bit as poor defense up front, but I also think we have Dennis out and a back up in ILB, Jones, in and if you watch the play right before Jones is clueless and out of the play. I mention that because on the play in question, Jones is the problem AGAIN. Thye catch us with LVD crashing the hole on the other side so that leaves Jones and Hall, but Jones to specifically fill the gap. Hall is neutralized one one one. Vea being double teamed but in the middle, the run is right. Watch Jones and Jones alone and you will see that he leaves the gap to go OUTSIDE so this makes it incredibly easy for the TE to just wall him off.
I would say its just bad defense.
Bowles would answer the way he did because he wouldn't want to break down the film for opponents, so not sure its a peak behind the curtain.
Y'all gonna tell me the moon landing is fake next?
Again, TWICE Chubb has taken a knee at the one to seal a win. Of all the RBs to roll the dice on, he is not the one.
I don't think Bowles did it but if he did, it's actually pretty stupid. Again a knee at the 1 and it's a chip shot, no ball back, and we are calling for his head
Have you watched McLaughlin kick this year? You are literally making a decision on whose hands you want the game to be in, Baker’s or McLaughlin’s. I think he could get cut if he has one more miss. It really puts us in a bind.
You're ignoring the huge gap in the logic of letting him score..so I will say it again and expect a direct answer.
Chubb has twice before taken a slide at the one to win games. He is smart enough to do so... He's proven that.
If we did let him score but he goes down at the 1, we never get the ball back and they win by 2....and nobody is calling this alleged move a smart move.
Players are acting daft about it to so I am starting to think it might be true... But again what a massive gamble when Chubb could have taken a knee and that's game. Plus we had to get the stop on the 2 point conversion.
Look. This happened. Chubb taking a knee at the one in other examples wasn’t a Chubb decision it’s a coaches decision. The coach in those other examples wasn’t faced with that much time on the clock and that many time outs. No coach in the game is taking a knee there. Many coaches would have let them score there, if Baker was their QB. Dude is fucking nails.
it’s a coaches decision.
Ryans addressed it and said he was going to score there, blamed the defense for inability to stop Mayfield and the Bucs.
it’s a coaches decision.
Ryans addressed it and said he was going to score there, blamed the defense for inability to stop Mayfield and the Bucs.
They didn't get the stop but they were close to getting Mayfield on 4th and 10. It was certainly a gamble.
Agreed. Mayfield is a gamer.
Its always hard to know from coaches, but Ryan's reaction to the question in the postgame press conference suggest that was little caught off guard, so that and his background and the strength of the defense, you'd expect him to go with that approach.
There’s only one Baker Mayfield, and he’s in Tampa.
There's an infinite amount of ways letting him score could backfire.
This is a classic "end results justifies the means" IF it is even true.
If they convert the 2pt now we're down 7 and still need Chase to hit the PAT unless we go for 2.
There's way more scenarios where it doesn't work than where it does... If we force a fg and get the ball back down 2 with 2 minutes and no time outs I feel more confident there than getting the ball down 6 with 2 time outs and maybe 10 more seconds.
It's just crazy bad analytics
There's an infinite amount of ways letting him score could backfire.
This is a classic "end results justifies the means" IF it is even true.
If they convert the 2pt now we're down 7 and still need Chase to hit the PAT unless we go for 2.
There's way more scenarios where it doesn't work than where it does... If we force a fg and get the ball back down 2 with 2 minutes and no time outs I feel more confident there than getting the ball down 6 with 2 time outs and maybe 10 more seconds.
It's just crazy bad analytics
They couldn’t really move the ball on us. Go check the stats. There was very little risk they would succeed with the two point conversion.
I keep coming back to the fact that the game is either on Baker’s shoulders or McLaughlin’s shoulders. Who do you want to figure this out?
We seem to be learning something as a team.
They couldn’t really move the ball on us. Go check the stats. There was very little risk they would succeed with the two point conversion.
Then there wasn't much reason to "let" them score, was there? The mental gymnastics being displayed are humorous.
If the defense holds Houston to a FG (assuming a make) and the clock was managed properly (another assumption), the offense would have got the ball back with about 1:50 left and 2 timeouts - only needing a FG to win. That's a much easier path than needing a TD with 2:04 and three TO's left.
They couldn’t really move the ball on us. Go check the stats. There was very little risk they would succeed with the two point conversion.
Then there wasn't much reason to "let" them score, was there? The mental gymnastics being displayed are humorous.
If the defense holds Houston to a FG (assuming a make) and the clock was managed properly (another assumption), the offense would have got the ball back with about 1:50 left and 2 timeouts - only needing a FG to win. That's a much easier path than needing a TD with 2:04 and three TO's left.
Exactly... The analytics of letting them score makes no sense. But that doesn't explicitly mean Bowles didn't let them score... It just means if he did, he got lucky the way it played out.
You don't do shit like this with a lead and the opposition in fringe fg range.
They couldn’t really move the ball on us. Go check the stats. There was very little risk they would succeed with the two point conversion.
Then there wasn't much reason to "let" them score, was there? The mental gymnastics being displayed are humorous.
If the defense holds Houston to a FG (assuming a make) and the clock was managed properly (another assumption), the offense would have got the ball back with about 1:50 left and 2 timeouts - only needing a FG to win. That's a much easier path than needing a TD with 2:04 and three TO's left.
All I know is when I saw the defense go limp and let Chubb score I knew we were winning the game. The entire thing is an assumption. Your time clock assumption is wildly speculative. It’s much easier to score the desired outcome with a reliable QB over some haphazard, Atlanta has a promotion where if I miss a kick, the entire stadium gets free pizza, so now I’m f@cked, kicker. Meaning we could have gotten the ball back with a lot less time than 2:04, in fact it’s more probable that they kill the clock on their way down and we have no time to get the ball back.
They couldn’t really move the ball on us. Go check the stats. There was very little risk they would succeed with the two point conversion.
Then there wasn't much reason to "let" them score, was there? The mental gymnastics being displayed are humorous.
If the defense holds Houston to a FG (assuming a make) and the clock was managed properly (another assumption), the offense would have got the ball back with about 1:50 left and 2 timeouts - only needing a FG to win. That's a much easier path than needing a TD with 2:04 and three TO's left.
All I know is when I saw the defense go limp and let Chubb score I knew we were winning the game. The entire thing is an assumption. Your time clock assumption is wildly speculative. It’s much easier to score the desired outcome with a reliable QB over some haphazard, Atlanta has a promotion where if I miss a kick, the entire stadium gets free pizza, so now I’m f@cked, kicker. Meaning we could have gotten the ball back with a lot less time than 2:04, in fact it’s more probable that they kill the clock on their way down and we have no time to get the ball back.
well i think you knew we had a better chance to win the game.
Judging how the offense was playing after Luke's injury and needed a Baker Miracle run to keep the drive alive, i dont think any of us were confident in a win
I will tell you, i feel confident with Baker having the ball last that he will give it his all and we have a good chance of a comeback but given the injuries on the offensive line and our kicker going through some mental issues, trying to determine how many points this team can put up on a given week. So far, it's been the defense playing high caliber which has given us a chance to be 2-0
There’s only one Baker Mayfield, and he’s in Tampa.
For the second straight game, Baker Mayfield has been more Gus Swayze than Baker Mayfield for most of both games. Fortunately, Baker Mayfield showed up at the end of both games. It would be nice if Baker made an earlier appearance this coming Sunday against the Jets.
Its definitely not easy to lay your body on the line like that. They can only do so much with that too. Id like to see him get some time to set up to these wrs that make plays when given the opportunity to. Theyre also not all the way healthy. More players go down including the oline the more baker has to be baker and good he's able to do that but we also want him to be able to do if we need to in the playoffs. Hopefully with how many weapons we have were able to utilize every one and take pressure off the next to keep us as fresh as possible for when we need them to be in the playoffs.
