Your mock sucks. Get over it , dimwit.Jdouble's mock shat all over yours and I don't even like jdouble's projections 90% of the time.
Carr is the next Jamarcus Russell, but you like Bortles in the top 10?The only reason I didn't mock Sefarian-Jenkins in round 2 is because I don't think he'll be there when we pick.He doesn't have a DE in his draft at all.You are an fascist, trolling idiot.
I clearly said I'm not a fan of picking a QB at that point in the draft , but if we must let it be Bortles and not Carr.Even if you think 3 TE's will be off the board in the 1st 30 something picks ( unlikely ) , it still doesn't mean you reach for a 3rd/4th round guy at the top of the 2nd. Stupid pick.Jdouble clearly led his mock with the disclaimer that he thinks we will be able to land a quality DE in Free agency.As Olaf has been trying to tell you : your reading comprehension sucks, Comrade . Follow the link https://www.hookedonphonics.com/
Your mock sucks. Get over it , dimwit.Jdouble's mock shat all over yours and I don't even like jdouble's projections 90% of the time.
Carr is the next Jamarcus Russell, but you like Bortles in the top 10?The only reason I didn't mock Sefarian-Jenkins in round 2 is because I don't think he'll be there when we pick.He doesn't have a DE in his draft at all.You are an fascist, trolling idiot.
I clearly said I'm not a fan of picking a QB at that point in the draft , but if we must let it be Bortles and not Carr.
Bortles, who currently has a 2nd round grade over Carr, who is currently ranked a top 10 prospect, with the 7th overall pick. Got it.
Even if you think 3 TE's will be off the board in the 1st 30 something picks ( unlikely ) , it still doesn't mean you reach for a 3rd/4th round guy at the top of the 2nd. Stupid pick.
Fiedorowicz isn't a 3rd/4th round guy.
Jdouble clearly led his mock with the disclaimer that he thinks we will be able to land a quality DE in Free agency.
I'll lead min with the same disclaimer, and add on that I think Gholston could develop into a starter opposite Clayborn. Happy?
Dex, Some of his throws do flutter. That is the one thing that bothers me. Not enough to not like him in the first round though.Here is a collection of highlights and full games if your are interested. https://www.pewterreport.com/Boards/index.php/topic,1311906.15.html
just watched the breakdown on Bortles against South Carolina. I didn't bother watching any of the other game film right now because I wanted to see him against a legit defense and South Carolina was far and away the best team they played. he did some good and bad in that game.my thoughts- UCF utilized a lot of timing routes and quick passes plus screens. I know hes got a big arm and im assuming they went with this gameplan because of Clowney and the South Carolina DL- Bortles didn't pass downfield much and his big passing plays, and much of his yardage for that matter, came on YACs by his receivers- He made several questionable throws including a couple of terrible interceptions- Bortles used his athleticism to get out of trouble and to break the pocket and extend plays. his receivers didn't help him as much as they should of when he started scrambling- I liked that he knew when to throw the ball away when there was no play to be made. he didn't take any really bad sacks- Bortles has good arm strength when he can set his feet and step into the throw but his ball flutters quite a bit if he cant push off. obviously you want your QB to throw with good form but its nice if they can throw an accurate catchable ball from an awkward positionBased on that film Bortles reminds me of a stronger armed Christian Ponder. that isn't a knock on Bortles because Ponder was a good college quarterback. their game is very similar in that they can extend plays with their legs and are a threat to run the ball. Both excel at passing on the move and are best operating with play action and bootlegs. he sees the field well enough but tries to force the ball at times similar to Ponder. Just like Ponder, Bortles has shown the intelligence and skills necessary to be a potential first round pick. Ponder's Junior season (2009) was reminiscent of Bortles until he injured his shoulder. Neither quarterback had a supporting cast that could play up to the same level as them. I think Bortles can leave school now based on his better arm strength than Ponder but I think hed be best served to declare next year and get another year of experience. I really would like to see him compete at the Senior Bowl and see how he responds in a setting where he knows hes on the big stage and competing against experienced and talented players.
I think this is pretty spot on.
just watched the breakdown on Bortles against South Carolina. I didn't bother watching any of the other game film right now because I wanted to see him against a legit defense and South Carolina was far and away the best team they played. he did some good and bad in that game.my thoughts- UCF utilized a lot of timing routes and quick passes plus screens. I know hes got a big arm and im assuming they went with this gameplan because of Clowney and the South Carolina DL- Bortles didn't pass downfield much and his big passing plays, and much of his yardage for that matter, came on YACs by his receivers- He made several questionable throws including a couple of terrible interceptions- Bortles used his athleticism to get out of trouble and to break the pocket and extend plays. his receivers didn't help him as much as they should of when he started scrambling- I liked that he knew when to throw the ball away when there was no play to be made. he didn't take any really bad sacks- Bortles has good arm strength when he can set his feet and step into the throw but his ball flutters quite a bit if he cant push off. obviously you want your QB to throw with good form but its nice if they can throw an accurate catchable ball from an awkward positionBased on that film Bortles reminds me of a stronger armed Christian Ponder. that isn't a knock on Bortles because Ponder was a good college quarterback. their game is very similar in that they can extend plays with their legs and are a threat to run the ball. Both excel at passing on the move and are best operating with play action and bootlegs. he sees the field well enough but tries to force the ball at times similar to Ponder. Just like Ponder, Bortles has shown the intelligence and skills necessary to be a potential first round pick. Ponder's Junior season (2009) was reminiscent of Bortles until he injured his shoulder. Neither quarterback had a supporting cast that could play up to the same level as them. I think Bortles can leave school now based on his better arm strength than Ponder but I think hed be best served to declare next year and get another year of experience. I really would like to see him compete at the Senior Bowl and see how he responds in a setting where he knows hes on the big stage and competing against experienced and talented players.
Respectfully disagree Dex. Ponder was a run first QB that had much better talent around him. Ponder never looked like an NFL QB to me and I was amazed that the Vikings took him so early. In his 3 years starting at FSU he averaged just 16 passing TDs per season and barely 300 attempts....but averaged 100 runs. He had no patience and would stare down one target and then run. Never ever showed the mental aptitude to be a legit NFL QB.Bortles is a pocket passer. He stays in the pocket and uses his size, strength, and mobility to avoid pressure while keeping his eyes down field and going through his reads. He only runs when he needs to. In Two years starting he has as many passing TDs as Ponder had in three years starting. He almost has the same amount of yardage too....even though he has played one less season. Bortles is a legit pocket passer while Ponder was always just a running college QB. A less exciting Tebow. Nothing like Bortles imo. Also, Bortles takes a lot of snaps under center, which is rare in college. I think that is a bonus.
You see Mariotta has requested an NFL draft grade?
Nope. Where'd you see that?*Nevermind..... http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24380057/after-stating-intention-to-return-to-oregon-mariota-requested-grade-from-nfl Old news. he had requested the NFL feedback back on Nov 30th, but has since decided to stay in school as he announced on Dec 3rd.
just watched the breakdown on Bortles against South Carolina. I didn't bother watching any of the other game film right now because I wanted to see him against a legit defense and South Carolina was far and away the best team they played. he did some good and bad in that game.my thoughts- UCF utilized a lot of timing routes and quick passes plus screens. I know hes got a big arm and im assuming they went with this gameplan because of Clowney and the South Carolina DL- Bortles didn't pass downfield much and his big passing plays, and much of his yardage for that matter, came on YACs by his receivers- He made several questionable throws including a couple of terrible interceptions- Bortles used his athleticism to get out of trouble and to break the pocket and extend plays. his receivers didn't help him as much as they should of when he started scrambling- I liked that he knew when to throw the ball away when there was no play to be made. he didn't take any really bad sacks- Bortles has good arm strength when he can set his feet and step into the throw but his ball flutters quite a bit if he cant push off. obviously you want your QB to throw with good form but its nice if they can throw an accurate catchable ball from an awkward positionBased on that film Bortles reminds me of a stronger armed Christian Ponder. that isn't a knock on Bortles because Ponder was a good college quarterback. their game is very similar in that they can extend plays with their legs and are a threat to run the ball. Both excel at passing on the move and are best operating with play action and bootlegs. he sees the field well enough but tries to force the ball at times similar to Ponder. Just like Ponder, Bortles has shown the intelligence and skills necessary to be a potential first round pick. Ponder's Junior season (2009) was reminiscent of Bortles until he injured his shoulder. Neither quarterback had a supporting cast that could play up to the same level as them. I think Bortles can leave school now based on his better arm strength than Ponder but I think hed be best served to declare next year and get another year of experience. I really would like to see him compete at the Senior Bowl and see how he responds in a setting where he knows hes on the big stage and competing against experienced and talented players.
Respectfully disagree Dex. Ponder was a run first QB that had much better talent around him. Ponder never looked like an NFL QB to me and I was amazed that the Vikings took him so early. In his 3 years starting at FSU he averaged just 16 passing TDs per season and barely 300 attempts....but averaged 100 runs. He had no patience and would stare down one target and then run. Never ever showed the mental aptitude to be a legit NFL QB.Bortles is a pocket passer. He stays in the pocket and uses his size, strength, and mobility to avoid pressure while keeping his eyes down field and going through his reads. He only runs when he needs to. In Two years starting he has as many passing TDs as Ponder had in three years starting. He almost has the same amount of yardage too....even though he has played one less season. Bortles is a legit pocket passer while Ponder was always just a running college QB. A less exciting Tebow. Nothing like Bortles imo. Also, Bortles takes a lot of snaps under center, which is rare in college. I think that is a bonus.
Contrary to popular belief FSU had ZERO offensive talent around him. we had a bunch of average at best receivers when he was here and a below average offensive line. not a single offensive guy he had at his disposal got drafted and only 2 made teams as UDFAs and got cut early. Ponder was absolutely not a run first quarterback. Jimbo Fisher just used his legs because he was an effective runner. he did the same with EJ Manuel but doesnt do it with Winston. he changes his playcalling to make use of his QBs strengths. Ponder operated mostly under center and played a conservative pro style offense because of the talent around him.Bortles took 2 snaps under center from what i remember in that South Carolina game and both were handoffs so its not like hes doing it alot. now maybe he does against lesser foes but its telling that they didnt have as much trust to let him work under center against South Carolinai know you like Bortles a lot so you wont agree with my analysis but i call it like i see it. saying that Bortles is a better version of Ponder really isnt an insult. Ponder was a good college qb so that means Bortles is a better college QB. i would be absolutely furious if we drafted Bortles anywhere in the top half of the draft. to me Bortles is a QB you take in the back end of the 1st but really the early 2nd, same with Derek Carr. these guys will go a lot higher because teams are desperate and will overdraft them
Well you're are super FSU fan and I'm super Bortles fan, so I'll agree to disagree so we don't step on each others' toes. I will say this though, you said you just watched the SC game and seem to be making a lot of assumptions from one game. I have watched every game from the last two years, several live in 2012. So I am looking at his entire body of work and not just the one game. I guess if I just looked at the SC game, I could see where you would get the Ponder comparison.
I'll lead min with the same disclaimer, and add on that I think Gholston could develop into a starter opposite Clayborn. Happy?
Better , comrade. Better.
1. Coach as by far the bigest need, because we have none2. QB3. TE
I'll lead min with the same disclaimer, and add on that I think Gholston could develop into a starter opposite Clayborn. Happy?
Better , comrade. Better.
Gholston basically is a starter now. That isn't at issue but he's not gonna develop into a pass rusher opposite Clayborn. That is the problem we still have no one who can bring the heat on the QB from that spot. AC and Gholston are both try hard sackers not dynamic players.
I think Gholston has more potential than DTN or Bowers, but I don't see him doing anything to fix our pass rush problems. He might be a good run stuffing LDE that can move inside on passing downs, but I don't think anyone sees him as a great pass rushing DE. We still need a DE in the worst way. I'd be content with a short term guy like Justin Tuck or Jared Allen. May only last 3 years or so, but either guy would be a huge difference maker on this defense....and I've learned that projecting out past 3 years in the NFL is a waste of time anyways.
Well you're are super FSU fan and I'm super Bortles fan, so I'll agree to disagree so we don't step on each others' toes. I will say this though, you said you just watched the SC game and seem to be making a lot of assumptions from one game. I have watched every game from the last two years, several live in 2012. So I am looking at his entire body of work and not just the one game. I guess if I just looked at the SC game, I could see where you would get the Ponder comparison.
being a super FSU fan makes me the perfect judge for this comparison. i got to watch every single one of Ponder's games on tv and at least 10 times in person. Ponder would have been infinitely better if he'd had the same supporting cast that Winston or even Manuel had in the last couple yearsi picked the South Carolina game because they was the absolute best team Bortles played this year. i dont care what he does against Temple, or Cincinnatti or any of the other trash AAC teams that he plays. i watched him play against SMU and he didnt really do anything to wow me but im going to give him the benefit of the doubt since it was probably 2 degrees and its hard to play in weather like that. i watched the Louisville game and he played well in that game. did some nice things.i just dont see Bortles as a top 25 pick right now. i think anything earlier than that is a major reach
Dex, We have a huge difference in opinion in what to look at when judging a college player then. I don't usually care who the competition is or what they are doing. I try to focus on what the player of interest is doing. Looking at one game in which Bortles lead a less talented team vs. a highly ranked defense doesn't exactly seem like an unbiased honest way to evaluate. By your standards, it is impossible to say Bridgewater is good either because he has never played any good teams. All I'm saying is focus on what Bortles is doing, not his opponent. Is he doing it well? Are the things he does successfully because he does them well or because the competition sucks? For me, when he gets instant pressure but jukes a would be sack, keeps scanning the field, and delivers an accurate pass....it doesn't matter who the competition was. He made up for the lack of a great supporting cast and did his job very well. So I pay attention to every game. Now look at a guy like AJ McCarron. His competition is much better, but he also has a much better supporting cast. A great run game, great defense, and an o-line that usually gives him all the time in the world. To me, his job is MUCH easier than Bortles and therefore less impressive...but if you are factoring in the level of competition as such a large part of the equation, then McCarron is clearly the best QB in the draft.
