#2 hardest schedule. 12 key players have missed an average of 6 games. People have unrealistic expectations. What’s our worst loss? At Lions? Home Patriots? This is what everyone is bitching about?
Losing in uncompetitive fashion to the Rams
#2 hardest schedule. 12 key players have missed an average of 6 games. People have unrealistic expectations. What’s our worst loss? At Lions? Home Patriots? This is what everyone is bitching about?
i shut the Bucs game off at half time Sunday night. When was the last time the Bucs looked so shitty that was even an option? Maybe back in 2020 - the 38-3 Saint ass kicking?
It's been a while but that Rams loss was bad
and so bad that want Otton off the team. Under no circumstances should we resign him. Baker's got 5 INTs. 2 of them are Cade Otton, and than whatever the hell that hail marry decision was Sunday night.
100% agree with all of this
#2 hardest schedule. 12 key players have missed an average of 6 games. People have unrealistic expectations. What’s our worst loss? At Lions? Home Patriots? This is what everyone is bitching about?
i shut the Bucs game off at half time Sunday night. When was the last time the Bucs looked so shitty that was even an option? Maybe back in 2020 - the 38-3 Saint ass kicking?
It's been a while but that Rams loss was bad
and so bad that want Otton off the team. Under no circumstances should we resign him. Baker's got 5 INTs. 2 of them are Cade Otton, and than whatever the hell that hail marry decision was Sunday night.
100% agree with all of this
yes it was tough to watch that 2nd half and its been a while since its been that way. I alos dont think Otton is the answer, but he is the only TE really catching passes. Maybe the return of some other options might help him. He definitely had a ROUGH game.
One of the key aspects of last years offense was Otton's (and Kieft's) performance blocking. Both not there this season
#2 hardest schedule. 12 key players have missed an average of 6 games. People have unrealistic expectations. What’s our worst loss? At Lions? Home Patriots? This is what everyone is bitching about?
Losing in uncompetitive fashion to the Rams
It happens. Even to Super Bowl teams. Last year we kicked the shit out of the Eagles.
#2 hardest schedule. 12 key players have missed an average of 6 games. People have unrealistic expectations. What’s our worst loss? At Lions? Home Patriots? This is what everyone is bitching about?
Losing in uncompetitive fashion to the Rams
It happens. Even to Super Bowl teams. Last year we kicked the shit out of the Eagles.
Nah the eagles competed and sorta came back and made a game of it.
We laid down and died
@badabingbucs I mostly agree on Otten…he reminds me of a prime era slightly more athletic Cameron Brate…not a bad depth piece, but more of a Robin type to Gronk’ (example)Batman. I think Otten would be solid in a complimentary role, we just need a Gronk type presence in the TE room again…now if the plan is to continue to start him as TE 1 then I’d prefer the team to move on rather than waste the cap he’s going to command, and use that money elsewhere.
@badabingbucs I mostly agree on Otten…he reminds me of a prime era slightly more athletic Cameron Brate…not a bad depth piece, but more of a Robin type to Gronk’ (example)Batman. I think Otten would be solid in a complimentary role, we just need a Gronk type presence in the TE room again…now if the plan is to continue to start him as TE 1 then I’d prefer the team to move on rather than waste the cap he’s going to command, and use that money elsewhere.
I honestly don’t want to see his face again
that’s 2 INTs on his account in prime time, embarrassing
#2 hardest schedule. 12 key players have missed an average of 6 games. People have unrealistic expectations. What’s our worst loss? At Lions? Home Patriots? This is what everyone is bitching about?
Losing in uncompetitive fashion to the Rams
It happens. Even to Super Bowl teams. Last year we kicked the shit out of the Eagles.
Nah the eagles competed and sorta came back and made a game of it.
We laid down and died
You're playing semantics in an attempt to disprove the fact that good teams get their asses kicked in the NFL. I used a recent example because Bucs fans and media have the shallowest frames of reference but it still didn't sink in the silly puddy you have between your ears.
Bucs have played 8 winning teams (3-5) and 3 losing teams (3-0) while battling the worst injury situation I've ever seen a Bucs team face. The expecations people have for this team are unrealistic based on the schedule and injuries.
What I expect to happen is Bucs win the next 3 to get to 9-5. I expect Carolina to be 7-7 and it will set up a situation where the Bucs need 1 win in the last 3 and 1 Carolina loss to win the South but Carolina can win the South if they win out and the Bucs lose at Miami. Carolina will be a bad matchup for us offensively because we won't be able to block Derrick Brown and A'Shawn Robinson. It will be a tough game, could go either way. People will just blame Bowles. Let's say Bucs lose a close one. 9-6 but then win in Miami Week 17, Carolina loses to Seattle and we clinch the South. Fans like you will complain that Bowles "back doored" it. At 10-6 we'll be locked into the 4 seed, Bowles will rest starters Week 18 to get to 10-7. Fans will complain that Carolina swept us. I think Bowles should push the pedal Week 18 to finish 11-7 and knock Carolina out.
Honestly, not sure the division is at risk and crazy we are concerned with this or even happy about the discussion. Disgusting after our 5-1 start.
Current
Bucs 6-5
Carolina 6-6
Atlanta 4-7
Week 13
ARZ @ TB - if Baker plays, we win, if he doesn't we lose
LA @ CAR - Los Angeles wins
ATL@ NYJ - we will give ATL the win
Bucs 7-5 or 6-6
Carolina 6-7
ATL 5-7
Week 14
Seattle @ Atlanta - ATL loss
NO @ TB - Bucs win (assuming baker is back)
Carolina bye week
Bucs 8-5 or 7-6
Carolina 6-7
Atlanta 5-8
Week 15
ATL @ Bucs - i swear to god, should be a win but prime time + Cousins + this team being pretenders makes it a toss up
Carolna @ NO - i mean they lost to them at home but let's assume worse case scenario here with Panthers win and Bucs loss
Bucs 8-6 or 7-7
Carolina 7-7
Atlanta 6-8
Week 16
TB @ Carolina - let's assume worse case and Bucs split, so we will give Carolina the win
Atlanta @ Arizona - give dirty birds the win
Bucs 8-7 or 7-8
Carolina 8-7
Atlanta 7-8
Week 17
TB @ Miami - unless wheels completely fall off, have already given 2 or 3 losses to Bucs, need to think they are somewhat competent and win a game
Seattle @ Carolina - should be a Seattle win
LA @ Atlanta - should be a Rams win
Bucs 9-7 or 8-8
Carolina 8-8
Atlanta 7-9
Week 18
NO @ ATL - we can give Atlanta the win
Carolina @TB - we assume a split so Bucs win
Bucs 10-7 or 9-8
Carolina 8-9
Atlanta 8-9
Bottom Line
Even if Baker doesn't play this week and Bucs trip over their dicks in prime time versus in Atlanta, Bucs going 3-3 down the stretch versus 6 games where they are likely favored in all of them gets the Bucs to division title.
But again, at a certain point, how many 9,10 win seasons and getting a home L in the playoffs are we happy with. At a certain point, we need to see progress
I personally feel Baker will play this week and that we will right the ship on prime time short week versus ATL in our stadium and Bucs go 5-1 down the stretch or 11-6 in total
finishing at 11-6 or god forbid win the games we should and go 12-5 and then i am feeling confident that we can do some damage in playoffs particularly if getting horses back but if we limp in at 9-8 then yeah, not much hope for a "successful season"
@badabingbucs I can certainly appreciate that take…god knows there have been players I feel like that about over the years. That int last week was inexcusable both on his and the refs part( how do you make a football move, when you’re going to the ground and your knee touches before the defender rips the ball away). He’s kind of like the jameis winston of TE’s in that he makes some great plays, puts up decent numbers when he’s featured, but then makes boneheaded plays that lead to turnovers far too often, at the most in-opportune moments.
I note that you are begrudging about the Falcons beating the Jets. I certainly wouldn't call that a shoe in. London is out. The Jets are at least trying to win. It could be a nail in the coffin game for Morris.Bottom Line
Even if Baker doesn't play this week and Bucs trip over their dicks in prime time versus in Atlanta, Bucs going 3-3 down the stretch versus 6 games where they are likely favored in all of them gets the Bucs to division title.
But again, at a certain point, how many 9,10 win seasons and getting a home L in the playoffs are we happy with. At a certain point, we need to see progress
I personally feel Baker will play this week and that we will right the ship on prime time short week versus ATL in our stadium and Bucs go 5-1 down the stretch or 11-6 in total
finishing at 11-6 or god forbid win the games we should and go 12-5 and then i am feeling confident that we can do some damage in playoffs particularly if getting horses back but if we limp in at 9-8 then yeah, not much hope for a "successful season"
The Falcons moved the offensive coordinator from the box to the sideline in midseason. It worked temporarily anyway to help Robinson communicate with Penix. I wondered before the season and I am wondering again if the opposite is true for the Bucs and Griz should be upstairs. He would be able to focus more on his Xs and Os and coming up with some good plays. Baker isn't a rookie and Griz doesn't need to be counseling him and giving him pointers. Griz needs to get the plays into Baker and Baker makes the decisions on the field. That can be done from the booth.
That was Morris's decision for the Falcons. Morris decides what his OC is going to do, even for a veteran OC like Robinson, but Bowles lets everybody make their own decisions. That's why they love him. So unless Griz decides for himself to try the booth, it's not going to happen.
You're playing semantics in an attempt to disprove the fact that good teams get their asses kicked in the NFL.
I don't think it's semantics to say one team competed and was on the verge of a comeback while the other team was out of it after our opening drive and gave up.
To contrast this game, the Bucs competed and fought back against the eagles which had the makings of a blow out.
When you get blown out and your team just quits to the point where Bowles was gonna cry during his halftime interview + McVay went easy on him in the second half... That says it all.
Nothing semantics about a team competing.
The truth is that this team is in a funk but winning helps shake it. Lets see if they can focus and move on next week against the Saints. Sweeping the Saints or Falcons is a must happen even if the Bucs want a chance at the division title again. Best case scenario Bucs split with Carolina which makes the Dolphins match up a must win.
