Well, at least we know that our offense isn’t offensive.
Lots of blame to go round. It isn’t a coincidence that the areas we all felt would be an issue - on defense - are in fact issues.
So for me, it’s more of a lack of personnel, not so much a scheme issue.
Just like the o-line: individually, each (except Tristan) has had some suck games. Together, the starters (including Mauch!?) complement one another and their play is pretty darn good lately.
When you are down so many defensive players that your continuity is out the window and you’re starting practice squad guys, cast-offs & back-up’s? …well, you’re gonna test the effectiveness of that “next man up” philosophy. I actually never have liked that specific coach-speak.
see. you proved my point.
Actually, I proved you don’t have much of a point. As I laid out, the differences between the 2023 preseason and 2024 preseason are night and day. You can act as if that’s not the case if you like, but I’m a fan of reality.
so many times the veteran is brought in and starts week 1 and loses the job by week 5
So many times, you say? Then it should be pretty easy for you to give me 10-15 examples of those “so many times” over the last few seasons.
who was comparing the 2023 and 2024 pre-season? maybe you were in a different debate with a different poster there. I was simply referring to 2023 preseason as a standalone.
and in terms of 10-15 examples? i am not quite sure there was 10-15 Qb battles that resemble a veteran QB coming in versus a semi-pro young guy. Can't compare it to a 1st round rookie as that's the future of franchise...but a mid round pick likely makes the most sense here. Would you agree? Trask is not similar to a Bo Nix, Drake Maye but closer to a Aidan O'Connell?
with that said, most notably is the Raiders singing Gardner Minshew beating out Aidan O'Connell.
Could Russell Wilson and Justin Fields be in the mix? Ehh..idk both first round picks but one clearly the veteran. Abundantly clear that Wilson would have been week 1 starter if not for injuries. I mean shit, Fields had the team at 4-2 and was made inactive! He had no shot apparently
in 2022, Geno Smith over Drew Lock? What about Baker over Darnold?
in 2021, Jameis Winston over Taysom Hill? Carson Wentz over Sam Enlinger?
Again there was likely not 10-15 similar situations but the Bucs signing Baker to be the starter on a prove it deal was clear as day...especially when you know the history of Arians/Licht/Bowles leg humping the guy years prior.
EDIT: And the so many times relates to the Veteran starting infront of the first round rookiei to give him time to adjust. this was slightly different as mentioned above
who was comparing the 2023 and 2024 pre-season?
You said there wasn't a QB battle in 2023, and that was just coach-speak. I said there was a QB battle in 2023. Mayfield was clearly the starting QB in 2024, while there was a QB battle in 2023. I'm using the differences in play in 2023 and 2024 as evidence that I am right and you are wrong.
I didn't think it was that difficult to follow along with.
and in terms of 10-15 examples? i am not quite sure there was 10-15 Qb battles that resemble a veteran QB coming in versus a semi-pro young guy. Can't compare it to a 1st round rookie as that's the future of franchise...but a mid round pick likely makes the most sense here. Would you agree? Trask is not similar to a Bo Nix, Drake Maye but closer to a Aidan O'Connell?
with that said, most notably is the Raiders singing Gardner Minshew beating out Aidan O'Connell.
Could Russell Wilson and Justin Fields be in the mix? Ehh..idk both first round picks but one clearly the veteran. Abundantly clear that Wilson would have been week 1 starter if not for injuries. I mean shit, Fields had the team at 4-2 and was made inactive! He had no shot apparently
in 2022, Geno Smith over Drew Lock? What about Baker over Darnold?
in 2021, Jameis Winston over Taysom Hill? Carson Wentz over Sam Enlinger?
Again there was likely not 10-15 similar situations but the Bucs signing Baker to be the starter on a prove it deal was clear as day...especially when you know the history of Arians/Licht/Bowles leg humping the guy years prior.
So, in other words, there were definitely not "so many times the veteran is brought in and starts week 1 and loses the job by week 5 like Boussard on first things first was predicting." You may want to stop listening to Broussard.
I mean, your closest example is Minshew/O'Connell. But even there you admit Minshew "beat out" O'Connell - which only happens in a QB battle.
You can have the last word, as it's pretty hard to believe we're actually having this debate.
Wins NFC Player of the Week and his snaps have diminished each week. Makes no sense.
This can't be right. Todd Bowles himself said that he was going to go with the "hot hand" at RB - twice. And if it flies out of a coach's mouth, it's reality.
I would advise you to check your information, here.
i think we all agree we want to see more Tucker but this is a scenario that either
1 - Bowles/Coen are incompetent
or
2 - they are being askes to go with White/Bucky due to draft status
3 - they wanted to give Bucky Irving the top load at RB and so that takes him pout of ST
4. White doesnt play ST
5. Tucker had a big runback against falcons
6. they trust White and Irving more (at this moment) and both played well IN GAME
I also want Tucker to get more carries, but not everything is some conspiracy or incompetence.
On #1, someone will be along quickly to say that Bowles is holding Coen back from playing Tucker lol
Remember when it was Bowles who was forcing Canales to run!!!
Tucker not being part of the game plan yesterday was incompetence, I believe
No Way! Didn't see that coming :-)
Sean Tucker not getting enough snaps YESTERDAY isn't really a reason the Bucs lost?
The Bucs had about 400 yds of offense and 3tds yesterday. The other two RBs are about a 1/3 of yardage production alone (and a TD? )in a game where they only ran about 16 runs because they were BEHIND most of the game.
What snaps or series do you want to take from the other two, even with hindsight?
If you still start White with hindsight you're beyond dumb. He fumbled the second play of the game.
Your argument that the Bucs couldn't establish the run with Tucker because of the score isn't backed up by the actually score.
Drive 1- 15:00 in 1st 0-0
Drive 2- 12:52 in 1st 0-7 (thanks to White)
Drive 3- 2:37 in 1st 7-7 (they actually use Tucker here to go from the -3 to the -29 and then ice him the rest of the game)
Drive 4- 7:19 in 2nd 14-14
Drive 5- 2:09 in 2nd 14-21 (they could have used Tucker later in the drive when they had 1st and 10 at the Falcons 41 with 1:41 left and all 3 timeouts. Instead they go with White, kick a FG and give the Falcons over a minute to come down and score, brutal game management)
Drive 6- 12:22 in 3rd 17-24
Drive 7- 4:30 in 3rd 17-24
Drive 8- 0:14 in 3rd 17-31 (you can still run here, instead no RB runs, Baker throws forces a pick)
Drive 9- 11:59 in 4th 19-31 (yes, you can still run here)
Drive 10- 1:01 in 4th, 26-31 (this is the only drive of the game you can't have Tucker be featured)
Tucker's run style can control the game. He has Jamal Lewis and Emmitt Smith traits.
Drive 6- 12:22 in 3rd 17-24
Drive 7- 4:30 in 3rd 17-24
Drive 8- 0:14 in 3rd 17-31 (you can still run here, instead no RB runs, Baker throws forces a pick)
Drive 9- 11:59 in 4th 19-31 (yes, you can still run here)
Not good.
JC, if Tucker is being "Thomas Jones'd" why did they run Tucker in that early series?
The last thing the tam is going to do is go away from White because of the fumble. Irving had a a fumble and he was the lead RB in the game plan against the Falcons.
Posters who could not fathom the team moving running back work load from White to Irving are now Tucker disciples?
me thinks me smells a rat (or troll)
Tucker's run style can control the game. He has Jamal Lewis and Emmitt Smith traits.
I mean, Id love to see Tucker be close to either. What a great thing for the Bucs and what a feather in Licht's cap! He found Emmitt Smith as an UDFA
Tucker's run style can control the game. He has Jamal Lewis and Emmitt Smith traits.
I mean, Id love to see Tucker be close to either. What a great thing for the Bucs and what a feather in Licht's cap! He found Emmitt Smith as an UDFA
Still wouldn't make up for two busts in the top 5
JC, if Tucker is being "Thomas Jones'd" why did they run Tucker in that early series?
The last thing the tam is going to do is go away from White because of the fumble. Irving had a a fumble and he was the lead RB in the game plan against the Falcons.
Posters who could not fathom the team moving running back work load from White to Irving are now Tucker disciples?
me thinks me smells a rat (or troll)
They needed to get out of their endzone and Tucker did that for them. Then they iced him. That's a question for Coen.
Then they iced him. That's a question for Coen.
so you think Coen is incompetent? Thats who you were referring to initially?
JC, isnt it more likely -- especially understanding their offense - that the "alert" Bowles referenced means that their alerts became passes more than runs and so that and the circumstances means WHITE? he is the most experienced and the best catching out of the backfield (the alert) and the best and most experienced pass protector.
Wouldn't the Red Board be awash with cries of incompetence if Tucker is in, beat on a rush that ends up in. Mayfield being injured?
Tucker's run style can control the game. He has Jamal Lewis and Emmitt Smith traits.
I mean, Id love to see Tucker be close to either. What a great thing for the Bucs and what a feather in Licht's cap! He found Emmitt Smith as an UDFA
Still wouldn't make up for two busts in the top 5
No way! lol
JC, isnt it more likely -- especially understanding their offense - that the "alert" Bowles referenced means that their alerts became passes more than runs and so that and the circumstances means WHITE? he is the most experienced and the best catching out of the backfield (the alert) and the best and most experienced pass protector.
Wouldn't the Red Board be awash with cries of incompetence if Tucker is in, beat on a rush that ends up in. Mayfield being injured?
When Tucker is in we move the ball. Whether it's him running, receiving or play action (Evans TD).They're not icing Tucker because of "alerts". They're icing Tucker because they're dumb and have too much ego to play the undrafted guy over the 3rd round pick. Bucs have Tucker's rights through 2027 so he's going to get his chance eventually and will be the lead back, but unfortunately for 2024 it will be too late. White and Irving already helped fumble away the division.
They're icing Tucker because they're dumb and have too much ego to play the undrafted guy over the 3rd round pick.
This is where we part. You may be right BUT if this was true then don't they never bring in Mayfield because they have a 2nd round pick in Trask and he was part of their plan?
Coaches are playing rhe people they think give them the best chance to win under the circumstances, especially in a big game. And as much as you clearly dislike Licht its hard to imagine him lording over Bowles on an RB
Maybe though. Conspiracies are convenient because they require no proof.
