Because the NFL is a business and they are choosy with who they market and highlight.
Sort of the point
Bucs start at a respect deficit because they are small market, less history etc. The Cowboys are almost always more hyped even though their record over the discussed period doesn’t really support it.
the brand though. They are Americas Team. The Bucs were the Yucks
Yes that's why I said it's a business. That was the point of what I was trying to say.
Yes, I thought so
Because the NFL is a business and they are choosy with who they market and highlight.
Sort of the point
Bucs start at a respect deficit because they are small market, less history etc. The Cowboys are almost always more hyped even though their record over the discussed period doesn’t really support it.
the brand though. They are Americas Team. The Bucs were the Yucks
Yes that's why I said it's a business. That was the point of what I was trying to say.
Yes, I thought so
It should be eye opening for some in a way that most things operate on this level. "Bottom line" is what most care about. I personally think this extends to politics and why we see what we see today. Politics is supposed to be something that we don't care about bottom line but it's not like that in the states because politicians can be career politicians. It's the old always create a problem so that there will be demand. It's why you never see any kind of thing done to make things better. Why make it better when we can milk this whole movement. People need to be aware of the bottom line and realize it extends to pretty much everything in this country. Don't be fooled to thinking anyone really cares about you. Bottom line is the only thing that matters in USA.
2020 - The Bucs had respect because of one man only. Was the talk of every sports talk show. Backed it up with a Super Bowl victory.
2021 - again, the talk on every sports talk show, favored in every game except Saints and Rams were our kryptonite.
this was the best 2 year stretch in our franchise history and unlikely to see a repeat of that anytime soon.
2022 - what a let down of a season. still at 8-9, there were pundits thinking we had a shot in the playoffs. That we could flick the proverbial switch on (Chiefs style). This team never got it together and was one of the toughest seasons to watch in recent memory given the expectations
so, in 2023, the respect went away and back to pre 2020. And again, all because of one man. Tom Brady is the best to play of all time. That's just going to happen. We have to earn the respect back.
Well in 2023, we started out 3-1 and it was exciting but followed it up with a 1-6 mid season disaster only to finish 5-1. Beating an eagles team that quit was quite nice and going toe to toe with Detroit for 3 quarters showed some fight. Still, because of the team's bi polar season and playing in a weak division at 9-8 record, hard to feel we earned any respect despite beating the expectations.
the Bucs have the second most playoff games played, only to Kansas City, since the 2020 season. But most of this is accredited to the Tom Brady factor and playing in the weakest division in football the last 2 years.
The Bucs come out and win 11 + games this year, given that schedule, and i think people will start to believe we are a perennial playoff team. One would think with 4 consecutive playoff appearances, we are just that, but as Buc fans, let's not kid ourselves, this team will win anywhere from 6 to 10 games next year most likely. Let's see if they can beat those expectations once again.
2020 - The Bucs had respect because of one man only. Was the talk of every sports talk show. Backed it up with a Super Bowl victory.
2021 - again, the talk on every sports talk show, favored in every game except Saints and Rams were our kryptonite.
this was the best 2 year stretch in our franchise history and unlikely to see a repeat of that anytime soon.
2022 - what a let down of a season. still at 8-9, there were pundits thinking we had a shot in the playoffs. That we could flick the proverbial switch on (Chiefs style). This team never got it together and was one of the toughest seasons to watch in recent memory given the expectations
so, in 2023, the respect went away and back to pre 2020. And again, all because of one man. Tom Brady is the best to play of all time. That's just going to happen. We have to earn the respect back.
Well in 2023, we started out 3-1 and it was exciting but followed it up with a 1-6 mid season disaster only to finish 5-1. Beating an eagles team that quit was quite nice and going toe to toe with Detroit for 3 quarters showed some fight. Still, because of the team's bi polar season and playing in a weak division at 9-8 record, hard to feel we earned any respect despite beating the expectations.
the Bucs have the second most playoff games played, only to Kansas City, since the 2020 season. But most of this is accredited to the Tom Brady factor and playing in the weakest division in football the last 2 years.
The Bucs come out and win 11 + games this year, given that schedule, and i think people will start to believe we are a perennial playoff team. One would think with 4 consecutive playoff appearances, we are just that, but as Buc fans, let's not kid ourselves, this team will win anywhere from 6 to 10 games next year most likely. Let's see if they can beat those expectations once again.
It will always be they will talk about us when they have to. The other year we won it when chucky came we were talked about a lot because he was a big personality and the way he came to us after the famous sack fumble call that basically wrote history for us oddly.
Like I said before I think it's why we have 2 controversial politicians in play. Click bait and not solving anything real will always keep demand up. Keep people fired up rather than thinking smart is better for corps and career politicians out there who all benefit from a artificial demand or just milking certain ways of thinking to keep it popular. In other words people need to wake up us creatures of habit.
Dallas is the 3rd or 4th largest tv market. The team sells more merchandise than almost every team. Storied history etc. If you’re the NFL you’re going to market the Cowboys over the Bucs. If you’re a sports writer you are almost always giving them the benefit of doubt.
The Bucs only win it all with white knights. Brady retired the Bucs SB odds plummeted. He unretired and they were favorites …
@BlaytonCigsby called it. It’s about playing to the money & large market teams have more money, advertisers in those markets buy more tv/internet ad spots, so the media - who are built around maximizing broadcast time to rake in the most dollars - play to the money.
its why we small market teams are disrupters. They only spend coverage time on the Bucs when they HAVE to.
Embrace the suck, if all goes to plan, we MAKE them talk about us.
It’s great when a small market team plays with that chip on their shoulder, Mayfield’s personality is the exact fit for that, he can turn it into fuel - and it just so happens to be the personality of the fanbase.
We have a great chance of poking the media hustlers right in the eye!
I'm the one that said it first. Either way it doesn't matter it's the bottom line that matters and always will when we prioritize that over the big picture.
@BlaytonCigsby called it. It’s about playing to the money & large market teams have more money, advertisers in those markets buy more tv/internet ad spots, so the media - who are built around maximizing broadcast time to rake in the most dollars - play to the money.
its why we small market teams are disrupters. They only spend coverage time on the Bucs when they HAVE to.
Embrace the suck, if all goes to plan, we MAKE them talk about us.
It’s great when a small market team plays with that chip on their shoulder, Mayfield’s personality is the exact fit for that, he can turn it into fuel - and it just so happens to be the personality of the fanbase.
We have a great chance of poking the media hustlers right in the eye!
In especially the last championship we had I really enjoyed watching the media talk about us all year to have us win it. I've definitely embraced being against media for quite some time. Dating back to 2002. I've always felt they were agenda driven just based off the way they talk. Doesn't matter if it's sports or anything with them. They have their favorite topics there that get and gain attention as well. Maybe also the point I was trying to make. People choose teams quite easily tho and Dallas fans have no problem with the positive way they talk about them. It's no different with other topics too.
I read a lot of the comments above and they all bring very valid points. I think the people (press/sports personalities and talking heads) who don't see the balance of the weaker teams with the newest members and newer formats of a winning chemistry of teams and in comparison of those teams with less injuries are very much forgotten when in the late perils of winning at the end of the season and as well as the following season when its a whole new season.
I think Chemistry and Luck are all part of the winning package and thus not forgetting how important the front office is along with the upper management can make or break the respect of a team. I think having powerful leadership on a team and those who are mentors on the team can help build the respect up of a team. I am not a fan of a selected view points that want to try to dimmish any team because I think that there are many factors in the making and breaking of a teams reputation and respect. Coaches can and have been found to break a team as well as ownership former players and existing players (Antonio Brown / Keyshawn Johnson anyone?). We the fans have the greatest seat in the house as armchair players and morale coaches.
I am impressed the last five years of the Buccaneers organization keeping pace with consistency and trying to keep a winning team. It is my hope that with all the pieces in place this year we make it to not only being the division champs but hopefully to the playoffs and then the conference then the big dance....SB baby!!
it’s non-sensical. You could exchange every team in the NFCE with an equal NFCS team.The Cowboys are better favored because they are the better team. They were 12-5 (compared to 9-8) in a better division. They had the #1 scoring offense (compared to 20th scoring offense for Tampa) and #5 scoring defense (compared to 7th scoring defense for Tampa) in the NFL. Only a buffoon
They were favored over the Bucs to win the SB last preseason too, right?
oh wait… buffoon-science says Dallas had a MORE successful season last year than the Bucs, right? Winning percentage, right?
They’re mirror images.
Precisely. The Cowboys are better favored because they are the better team. They were 12-5 (compared to 9-8) in a better division. They had the #1 scoring offense (compared to 20th scoring offense for Tampa) and #5 scoring defense (compared to 7th scoring defense for Tampa) in the NFL. Only a buffoon would not expect Dallas to have better Superbowl odds than Tampa.
The team was 9-8 last season, barely beating some really bad teams and losing to some bad teams - while also beating a couple teams they probably shouldn't have. They are getting the proper amount of respect.
This is all 100% spot on (as well as the later post that the NFCE was superior to the NFCS...not even sure how one would debate otherwise).
And, the entire "small markets don't get respect" talking points are just plain silly.
The darlings of the NFL the past 6 years have been the Chiefs. They aren't a top-5 market. They're not a top-10 market. Hell, they're not even a top-30 market.
We get the respect we rightfully deserve (and have earned).
We limped into the playoffs by barely beating the worst team in the NFL. We then beat a team in the middle of one of the worst internal collapses of recent memory, who had an injured Qb and missing their #1 offensive weapon. Ultimately getting beat by a better team, with a superior roster and superior coaching.
We are who we are. A middle of the pack, average team. We have a few elite pieces (Wirfs, AWJ) and some really good to great ones, albeit againg (Evans, LVD, Godwin, Vea).
Aside from that, the roster is average. And, the coaching staff leaves a lot to be desired.
Want more "respect"? Then, when more games. Make a legitimate title run. And, do it consistently.
Bucs, Saints, Falcons were/are all better than Eagles, Giants, Commanders.
Towards the end of the year, Bucs, and Saints were better than the Eagles, and probably as strong as the Cowboys. cowboys dominated what was revealed to have been a very weak division.
If the Eagles were the lackluster team you paint them as - then you can’t also give them and their 11 wins - credit as the 2nd strongest team in the division without considering that the division sucked.
You can’t have it both ways. We either all admit that the 2nd strongest team in the division collapsed - and Dallas had zero competition - or someone needs to show me otherwise.
Sorry, the NFCE is not better than the NFCS. It wasn’t last season, and it will not be better this season. The Eagles may have had an infusion of talent, but the the thing that made the team quit, is still in place.
The Giants got worse.
The Commanders also added talent but won’t be a good team any time soon.
If the Bucs get painted with the “yeah but they dominate a weak division” tag - then the Cowboys are no different - and they did far less to improve in FA/draft.
It’s a fallacy to assert otherwise.
Bucs, Saints, Falcons were/are all better than Eagles, Giants, Commanders.
Towards the end of the year, Bucs, and Saints were better than the Eagles, and probably as strong as the Cowboys
Lol.
We'll simply agree to disagree.
Sorry, the NFCE is not better than the NFCS. It wasn’t last season...
Except that it was. The records show it.
If the Bucs get painted with the “yeah but they dominate a weak division” tag
I'm sorry, but where have you seen someone say they "dominated a weak division"?
Sneaking into the playoffs by winning a game against the team that picked #1 overall, while only scoring 6 points, doesn't scream "domination" to me.
it’s non-sensical. You could exchange every team in the NFCE with an equal NFCS team.
They’re mirror images.
If the mirror is a fun-house mirror, sure.
South #1: 9-8 East #1: 12-5
South #2: 9-8 East #2: 11-6
South #3: 7-10 East #3: 6-11
South #4: 2-15 East #4: 4-13
lolz @ "mirror images". The top-3 teams in the NFC East have more combined wins (29 to 27) than all four of the South teams combined.
someone needs to show me otherwise.
Someone already has, but you have a penchant for denying factual information in favor of your opinion.
With a combined 27-41 record, the NFC South was by far the worst division - not just in the NFC - but in the entire NFL. That's not my opinion or any opinion. That is what they call a cold, hard fact. Deny reality all you like.
And, the entire "small markets don't get respect" talking points are just plain silly.
The darlings of the NFL the past 6 years have been the Chiefs. They aren't a top-5 market.
Just to clarify my op on this was that small market teams operate at a deficit, ie they are starting from behind.
The Sapp/Brooks era Bucs got plenty of respect as do most teams when they are dominant.
Your example is a THE MOST DOMINANT TEAM NOW. A team that can actually claim to be a DYNASTY at the moment, importantly with the PREMIER PLAYMAKING QB. KC isnt a big market (33rd DMA), but the team is at its ZENITH with arguably the most-hyped player. Mahomes is sort of the FACE of the NFL, MVP, top jersey sales etc.
A team like the Cowboys is often HYPED as a contender because of its history and market (largest global fan base) and influence of its owner. The league itself has a VESTED INTEREST in the Cowboys being good because of the fan base, market etc. Parsons and Prescott top selling jerseys. Prescott is a 4th round QB whose narrative to date is mostly an INABILITY to win when it matters, fairly or NOT. BUT, he is the QB for . . .AMERICA's TEAM. None of that is true of the Buccaneers.
To draw a parallel, the Cowboys are sort of the Manchester United of the NFL, not quite living up to the hype lately BUT HUGE fan base. The Glazers actually hoped to turn the Buccaneers into aversion of ManU . . ie to be more like AMERICA's TEAM
