Several positives but one from that very bad game is we should beat the Falcons and split.
1. too conservative on offense in second half. believe someone pointed out we had 9 pass attempts? for real? after scoring on every drive in the first half minus kneel down at the end?
2. Bucky fumble. could have kicked a field goal there
3. Barton holding penalty. Could have kicked a field goal there
when we look back, the defense was atrocious and will be blamed for this loss which of course is the reason but the offense choked the game away.
we knew the defense didnt show up on the very first drive. The offense did...and they let us down at the end. They needed to pick up the defense.
@badabingbucs - Yes, until we get some strength back on defense - as has been said: the offense should be ‘All Gas, No Brakes”.
3. Barton holding penalty. Could have kicked a field goal there
This keeps being brought up, but it's being overplayed by some.
1. The refs missed a blatant facemask that would have negated the penalty.
2. The "hold" happened because Irving cut back - which was the right move by Irving - after Wirfs couldn't hold his block. Barton walled Grady Jarrett off from where the run was supposed to go, but when Irving cut (in front of Barton) to where the play wasn't supposed to go, Barton held on a little to much.
The same thing happened to Skule earlier in the game when Mayfield left the pocket and ran around Skule. Sure, you'd like the OL not to hold there, but they are put in pretty tough positions when the guys with the ball do something they aren't expecting. The bigger crime here was the refs not seeing the blatant facemask (Irving's head, shoulders, and whole body turned) while calling a ticky tack hold. They should have replayed the down.
Coen should have been more aggressive on the playcalling on that last Bucs drive of regulation.
Yep, 1,000x yep.
1. too conservative on offense in second half. believe someone pointed out we had 9 pass attempts? for real? after scoring on every drive in the first half minus kneel down at the end?
Drive one, 3-and-out: 1 called run and 3 called passes. One of those passes were negated by penalty and the third was negated when Mayfield took off on 3rd & 20.
Drive two, FG: 3 called runs and 5 called passes. One of those passes were negated by a sack and another when Mayfield scrambled.
Drive three, FG: 1 called run and 4 called passes. Two of those passes were negated by scrambles from Mayfield.
Drive four, Ivring Fumble: 4 called runs and 3 called passes. One of those passes were negated by a scramble from Mayfield.
Drive five, Punt: 3 called runs and 1 called pass.
So there were 12 called runs and 16 called passes in the second half. Penalties, scrambles, and sack made the actual pass attempts look low, but the Pass:Run call ratio was 4:3. I'm not defending the playcaller except to say he called more passes than runs. Feel free to analyze the calls within that ratio to see if the pass plays/concepts were positive or negative. Coen may very have screwed the pooch there.
1. too conservative on offense in second half. believe someone pointed out we had 9 pass attempts? for real? after scoring on every drive in the first half minus kneel down at the end?
2. Bucky fumble. could have kicked a field goal there
3. Barton holding penalty. Could have kicked a field goal there
when we look back, the defense was atrocious and will be blamed for this loss which of course is the reason but the offense choked the game away.
we knew the defense didnt show up on the very first drive. The offense did...and they let us down at the end. They needed to pick up the defense.
The norm with any loss, I think, is to look at pivotal late plays, but in reality the Bucs lose because they gave up 500 yards to a statute. This is why I mentioned the positive that we still almost won.
But, you can take this stuff as far as you want.
We lost because we are still paying off the SB and so we have a relatively young and inexperienced with three different rookies, Irving, Barton and Coen, heavily contributing to the loss (if you try to assign individual blame in a team sport).
We lost because we are very thin at LB and other places, in part again because of the SB.
We lost because a defense three or 4 times gave up 60+ yard TD drives.
We lost because that same blameworthy defense got the ball back for the offense after Irvings fumble and the offense could have kicked a field goal right there on 1st down (25 yard line?), but ran several plays to go BACKWARDS.
Team sport. Almost NEVER win/lose on a single play or call. We lost to to the SB once because a Shaun King offense couldn't move the ball, not because Bert Emanuel didn't get a call or one of our CB's got beat.
in reality the Bucs lose because they gave up 500 yards to a statute.
"ESPN track passing yards in every game between the yard-line numbers on the field. This is the 19th year in which ESPN has been charting the data, and Thursday’s results against the Bucs were a jolt not felt since 2010.
Kirk Cousins completed passes for 371 in between the numbers. That was exceeded twice in 2010 (Donovan McNabb and Matt Schaub) and never again until Thursday."
But . . I am sure that at least one .. of those passes by Cousins was for something like "59 yards" . .. . so when you take that out "its a FACT" that Cousins' performance is being "overhyped" by some here. . . (and by ESPN for saying it hasn't happened since 2010)
"Thats the way averages work" . . . in case you wondered.
oh wait . . one of those plays must've been a "gadget play" . . . so that doesnt count!
:-)
Against the Bucs, Kirk Cousins DOUBLED his TD total for the first 4 games, but he really played very much a stock game for him this season
These were his stats for this season BEFORE the Bucs game:
In a Week 1 loss he was 16/26 for 155 yards and 1 TD against 2 INTs
In a Week 2 win he was 20/29 for 241 and 2 TDs against 0 INTs
In a Week 3 loss he was 20/29 for 230 yards with 1TD against 1 INT
In a Week for win he was 21/25 for 238 yards and 0 TDs against 1 INT
So going into our game he was only attempting roughly 27 passes a game. Against us he threw 58 times.
Going into our game he was only completing about 19 of those passes each game. He completed 42 against us**
Going into out game you could count on his for a TD and an INT. He threw 4 TDS and 1 INT
Point: statistically speaking, he didn't play that much better than his prior games, he just threw it a HELL of a lot more and mostly in the middle of the field (75%ish of the yards)
He threw it a hell of a lot more because the middle of the field is an OBVIOUS weakness with Britt in and Winfield out
I didnt even want to look at the pressures and sacks
Blame it on the short week or Britt or injuries piling up or Bowles game plan, but the loss is most tied to the OBVIOUS statistical BLIP that you could see was likely to happen before the game (Dennis goes out) and that you could see with your own eyes during the game
and we still almost won
Feel free to analyze the calls within that ratio to see if the pass plays/concepts were positive or negative. Coen may very have screwed the pooch there.
I think it was more situational playcalling than anything else. And some of the concepts were vanilla in design, unlike what we saw in the 1st half.
But, at the end of the day, Kirk “Multiple ACL and Achilles Tears” Cousins absolutely torched us.
Hopefully we get some guys back this week.
Until then, stay safe out there bro. Prayers to all of you.
I agree, I think the Bucs are the superior team. If they didn't have that huge hole in the middle of the defense due to injury they'd have won convincingly. But if and when the Bucs are playing in the post season they have to do better at managing tight games in the 4th quarter and doing what it takes to win.Against the Bucs, Kirk Cousins DOUBLED his TD total for the first 4 games, but he really played very much a stock game for him this season
and we still almost won
Baker Mayfield is 9th ranked QB so far, we have two pro-bowl receivers - with Super Bowl experience - a rising running attack, an improving o-line, and it has produced 30 points in 3 out of 6 games, so we know we can score points. And now it’s looking like we’re going to get some of our defensive stars back on the field.I agree, I think the Bucs are the superior team. If they didn't have that huge hole in the middle of the defense due to injury they'd have won convincingly. But if and when the Bucs are playing in the post season they have to do better at managing tight games in the 4th quarter and doing what it takes to win.Against the Bucs, Kirk Cousins DOUBLED his TD total for the first 4 games, but he really played very much a stock game for him this season
and we still almost won
What went wrong - is fixable - what we has me looking up. Believe our OC has been able to learn from what worked/what didn’t - and can bounce back from last week. Would have felt better to have won the ATL game - but we were in a position to have won that game until the mistakes hit.
Hunkering down in the Tampa area - as DH said - stay safe brothers! Hopefully we’ll be bickering about how this team beat up on the Saints this time next week!
Prayers for all of you!
Hunkering down in the Tampa area - as DH said - stay safe brothers
FWIW
Current NHC models show landfall as a CAT 3 (storm should weaken but also expand) right by Anna Maria Island. In between tides, so one positive, but surge still 10-15.
Changes all the time but thats the 10:00am CDT advisory
stay safe!
