Flores and Bowles might as well be clones.
I want an offensive head coach.
I want a dedicated defensive coordinator.
I want a dedicated offensive coordinator.
Complete overhaul including ST
lol imagine wanting to fire Bowles but then hire Flores.
Flores as defensive coordinator, all for it
I think you've hit on the head here, offensive minded head coach but solid coordinators all around
If by some chance the Bucs keep Bowles, they need to pull an Eagles and hire top notch coordinators this off-season. No more of this Bowles calling the plays
Most offensive minded coaches call the plays. If you hire one of those, they will most likely want to call plays.
Flores and Bowles might as well be clones.
I want an offensive head coach.
I want a dedicated defensive coordinator.
I want a dedicated offensive coordinator.
Complete overhaul including ST
lol imagine wanting to fire Bowles but then hire Flores.
Flores as defensive coordinator, all for it
I think you've hit on the head here, offensive minded head coach but solid coordinators all around
If by some chance the Bucs keep Bowles, they need to pull an Eagles and hire top notch coordinators this off-season. No more of this Bowles calling the plays
Most offensive minded coaches call the plays. If you hire one of those, they will most likely want to call plays.
understood. Eagles were an anomaly
but if Bowles is retained, we need an actual defensive coordinator. Let him just be a figure head if that is what ownership wants
Flores and Bowles might as well be clones.
I want an offensive head coach.
I want a dedicated defensive coordinator.
I want a dedicated offensive coordinator.
Complete overhaul including ST
lol imagine wanting to fire Bowles but then hire Flores.
Flores as defensive coordinator, all for it
I think you've hit on the head here, offensive minded head coach but solid coordinators all around
If by some chance the Bucs keep Bowles, they need to pull an Eagles and hire top notch coordinators this off-season. No more of this Bowles calling the plays
Most offensive minded coaches call the plays. If you hire one of those, they will most likely want to call plays.
Coen hired Udinski but yeah I think he's still calling the plays so not sure how that dynamic works.
Either way I don't wanna a defensive coach trying to call plays.
except maybe Tomlin
FWIW. . . . .Tomlin is in the same basic posture as Bowles, fans saying his brand of winning is not enough and his defense is suspect. I think the defense is only a point or two per game better than the Bucs defense. I think their problems are even similar, passing game, tight ends etc. Maybe even worse from a yards perspective.
Even their division is weak, or has been with the Ravens struggles, so they are sort of like the 2020 all in Bucs (Rodgers in at QB) but without the same success, so far.
It has been my experience, with few exceptions, that the fans are typically underwhelmed by the new HC.
It has been my experience, with few exceptions, that the fans are typically underwhelmed by the new HC.
Fans are not neutral. Many of them are judging the ultimate selection against their own hypothetical choice.
Even if fans were objective, its just an easier route to be negative. The failure rate - coaches, players, owners - is MUCH higher than rate of sustained success or top level success. Some where between 15-30% of NFL head coaches are fired every year. A slightly small percentage of teams are viewed as hopelessly inept, even in a system that rotates draft choices. And then for those HCs who survive firing . . . fan and owner impatience tightens the standard until its a bit of a beauty contest. How did we win? What is our competition like? Not a unique Buccaneer phenomena, by any means.
Basic human nature "change for the sake of change" sometimes. Sometimes because its needed. Worked Dungy to Gruden, until it didn't. Did NOT work Gruden to Morris . . Schiano . . etc
We were not underwhelmed when Gruden and Arians were hired.It has been my experience, with few exceptions, that the fans are typically underwhelmed by the new HC.
We were not underwhelmed when Gruden and Arians were hired.It has been my experience, with few exceptions, that the fans are typically underwhelmed by the new HC.
and we were with Lehman Bennett, Ray Perkins ... Wyche.. Morris, Schiano, Smith, Koetter
lol. It's a Bucs Life
Most offensive minded coaches call the plays. If you hire one of those, they will most likely want to call plays.
Yep.
As I noted when I said “with few exceptions”. It is the exception, not the rule. The Glazers have had a higher hit rate than Culverhouse group - but that’s a really low standard because Culverhouse was inept, and learned to make money while losing.We were not underwhelmed when Gruden and Arians were hired.It has been my experience, with few exceptions, that the fans are typically underwhelmed by the new HC.
The fact is, in the 50 years of this franchise, you can count the good coaching hires on one hand. I believe the Bucs have had 13 head coaches since 1976.
I’ve endorsed Tomlin, but his success has largely been built on the Rooney family’s commitment to stability - they have had three head coaches in the same 50 year cycle. Tomlin has had some years (mostly years ago) of stellar, to really good seasons, but most of them have been averag, building off of a gritty defense, and a great QB. That
I’m not saying that a change isn’t warranted, I’m only saying that history shows it’s fools gold to think a coaching change will quick-fix the Bucs into a contender. For the fans, it’s often an ugly, dirty, and often disappointing process (check into how we ended up with Gruden, after firing Dungy - a wild ride and only happened at the 11th hour when their first choice wouldn’t return their call - no, their first choice wasn’t Bill Parcells that time).
It’s worse than debating who the 1st & 2nd round draft picks should have been.
Currently, I believe Mike Tomlin has taken on the additional role of DC this year, even though Trey’s Austin is listed as the DC on the Steelers website.
Just warning that with this franchise, be careful what you wish for regarding GC changes.
With the exception of the Steelers and Niners, I think the Glazers in Tampa have about an average success rate with hiring head coaches. The Packers have done reasonably well I suppose.
With only one Lombardi a year earned, this league is tough business. The law of averages would have us hoisting eternity about three times in our entire life. I have been alive for two of them.
I can’t even really look at pre 1997 Buccaneers as anything other than a gimmick. We had John McKay Jr. playing WR for us for God’s sake.
Sometimes a coaching change is just about the message. Mediocrity won't be tolerated.
It's one thing if Bowles builds a great defense, the offense struggles, but we are 7-7. That would not warrant firing.
But sadly it's the opposite. The offense is average and the defense is atrocious.
Bowles has to go
Sometimes a coaching change is just about the message. Mediocrity won't be tolerated.
It's one thing if Bowles builds a great defense, the offense struggles, but we are 7-7. That would not warrant firing.
But sadly it's the opposite. The offense is average and the defense is atrocious.
Bowles has to go
John McJay (Sr) got us to the NFC championship game, Tony Dungy built the bedrock of a defense - but couldn’t get past a playoff game or two, because he refused to dedicate much to an offense that was not as good as his defense. Jon Gruden built a better than average offense and coupled it to that Dungy defense (and Monte Kiffin) to win a Super Bowl. Bruce Arians wasn’t very “Super” until he ditched the “franchise QB” and lucked into Tom Brady for one Super Bowl. Then Todd Bowles took over and has won the division multiple times but his high water mark was a divisional playoff round loss.
Thats it. 5 Head Coaches hold the success of this franchise. All of them were either fired, or quit pretty soon after the peak of there success.
We have as much success at drafting QB’s and Edge rushers as we do selecting replacement HC’s.
It’s why many fans shudder at the thought of firing a head coach who has had some success. It seems as though replacing a head coach often correlates with a financial decision to blow up the team to “help” the new coach “re-build” the talent to his liking.
Not so much with Arians to Bowles transition - and maybe we’re positioned better this time - but there are no assurances during a coaching transition.
I’ve just learned to be careful what you wish for in a coaching transition. It often doesn’t play out the way fans anticipate.
I mean, you can see thee actual data if anyone wants. I think there are ten coaching changes in 2022, Bowles being one of them. Every head coach out of the league now except for Bowles O'Connell and McDaniel? Could be wrong but thats a 70% failure rate? And say what you want, but Bowles is the only one in the playoffs every year.
WORSE THOUGH .. is that the fan choice seems to be to find the opposite of Bowles (this is why I said Tomlin is probably a non-starter if he was available) and the Buccaneers themselves are literally the "POSTER CHILD" of how things can go wrong with that "I want something different" approach.
Going from stoic defensive Dungy to Gruden worked . . and then did NOT. Every coaching changes after that until Arians is LITERALLY that "I want something different" approach. No franchise QB Gruden was replaced because Dom & Morris "had a franchise QB" (lol). Parting YOUNGRY Morris was replaced by TOES ON THEN LINE Schiano. The new filed coaches sent us back to the past with Smith and then, well we have to at least try to go with out QB" Koetter.
Change may still be right, but its a much more significant decision then it may seem because the wrong choice can set the team back for a decade, especially because the roister keeps tuning over and over.
