Mayfield is on his 4th team already. Does anyone really think he's just going to suddenly turn it on? Geno Smith had years sitting there with the clipboard soaking up what works and doesn't before he got another shot to start. I think Mayfield is here because of two reasons: 1) force Trask to win the starting spot, and therefore be the player they believe he is; 2) Be a possible reclamation QB that can start if Trask doesn't work out. I think the staff is truly going to let the better player start, but we'll see. I have no confidence that Mayfield can be the guy going forward. Based on his work in college, I believe Trask will prove out to be the more competent QB and, hopefully, we'll finally have our first re-signed QB and break the draft curse we seem to have. Time will tell.
Based on their work in college?!?!?
Mayfield was an absolute legend in college.
Who cares?
Based on their work in college?!?!?
How are you judging Trask, if not by his work in college? Do you not think he will not make it due only to the college he attended?
Ok cool then Mariota, Tebow, Mayfield etc should all be starters.
JUST LOOK AT THEIR COLLEGE TAPE!!!
Ok cool then Mariota, Tebow, Mayfield etc should all be starters.
JUST LOOK AT THEIR COLLEGE TAPE!!!
Well, that's not what is being said, but you do you.
It's exactly what you're saying... You're trying to equate college production and college tape to the speed of the NFL.
Trask couldn't beat out Gabbert for the backup role... you know why?
Because Gabbert is better than him, despite his NFL flop.
Better arm, better legs, better experience, better talent.
Because Trask will be XFL fodder shortly...
Using your college production and tape logic, there are hundreds of qbs that should have found success in the NFL.
It's a silly argument... and I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you are a Gators fan (because that is seemingly the only people defending him)
I'll try to break this down to 6th grade level for you. I don't understand how someone can have an opinion, let alone argue that opinion incessantly, about a player who hasn't had the chance to show what he can do. I don't care if he's a Gator, Duck, or Bulldog. What I and other posters on this board are stating, is that based on his college performance--in a very good conference--believe Trask has a chance to do well.
It appears you, on the other hand, believe he doesn't have a chance due to where he attended college. It can't be because of his performance, because you haven't seen him perform, other than in college. I'm going to go out on a limb and say you've never seen him play in college...
Logical Argument: College production/success doesn't equal NFL production/success.
Illogical Argument: Player X will suck because of where Player X went to college.
Let's make more logical arguments and less illogical arguments, gents.
I haven't had a chance to prove my worth at the NFL level, let's give me a shot!
And lol at you 2 gator honks defending your guy.
I'm not a Gator hater... no dog in the fight.
Gators have a ton of talent I'm always interested in... Florida as a whole producers so much talent.
Trask isn't an NFL player. He's an XFL player.
He's got college stats, which mean nothing.
Like I said prior. You can break the mold if you have production, tape, and a great combine.
Trask is another Kellen Moore.
He isn't ready for the NFL... and I am totally fine giving him a shot because why not...? But he won't beat out Mayfield.
At least with Winston, he sucked but you saw the arm talent and deceptive athleticism.
Trask offers nothing, just like i would offer nothing playing qb in the NFL...
Florida being a super talented school that NEVER produces NFL talent is far different than Texas Tech or Wyoming which offer very little NFL talent.
How a college recruits and develops players, despite your fervent denial, plays a role in where you draft them and how you view them. That view can be trumped by: advanced metrics, production, and great tape... that can always happen... but statistically it is about as likely as finding a Kurt Warner out of arena league football.
You can deny that until you're blue in the face but there is a reason NFL teams draft so many wrs from Ohio St and LSU... and why so many defensive players get drafted from Georgia and Bama. And why NFL teams like Oregon's line talent but not their RB or WRs. Etc etc.
You're taking it personal because he's a Florida guy and you want so fucking bad for him to be good. But it was always a shit pick
Let's make more logical arguments and less illogical arguments, gents.
It was a reasonable request, but alas...
How a college recruits and develops players, despite your fervent denial, plays a role in where you draft them and how you view them. That view can be trumped by: advanced metrics, production, and great tape... that can always happen... but statistically it is about as likely as finding a Kurt Warner out of arena league football.
You can deny that until you're blue in the face but there is a reason NFL teams draft so many wrs from Ohio St and LSU... and why so many defensive players get drafted from Georgia and Bama. And why NFL teams like Oregon's line talent but not their RB or WRs. Etc etc.
QB is a different animal. Ask any scout or personnel man, and they will tell you. You hear schools called "RBU" or "DBU" or "WRU" fairly often, because they produce a lot of high-caliber NFL talent. You don't hear that very often for QB's, because there isn't one particular school that has produced quality QB talent year-after-year-after-year like there are at those other positions mentioned.
There is a reason it's so difficult to nail these top QB picks. It's hard to scout QB's for the NFL. It's just hard. Stupid shit like where they went to college doesn't matter. You've been given the evidence to support this, repeatedly. You've simply chosen to ignore it in favor of you inferior opinion. It's the song of the simpleton. Trask may very well suck in the NFL, but it won't be because of where he went to school. Let's stop the illogical arguments.
Qb U is definitely a term:
And I do think you're making fair points BUT I would submit that certain conferences produce certain positions.
Pac12 gets a ton of qbs into the NFL.
Mid west colleges produce a ton of interior line talent, especially offensive line...
Blah blah blah... Plenty of examples.
Florida is not know for producing (developing) NFL talent... so your point was already disproven when I said "this can be trumped by tape, talent, and production".
Blue chip qb prospects don't come out of Florida... and quite frankly, Bama has been QB U the past 10-15 years.
It's an additional way to diagnose talent.
You think scouts completely ignore Florida's ability to develop NFL QBs?
They are the absolute bottom of the barrel.
Grossman is the best qb out of Florida.
Richardson or Trask could certainly beat the odds (Richardson more likely) but NFL teams are being handed Florida qbs that aren't ready, and have been carried by the talent around them.
Any player can have a shot regardless of talent, so to that extent I agree... but it's about statistically likelihood
Qb U is definitely a term:
I never said it wasn't a term. I said you don't hear it very often, precisely because of the schools listed on that wiki page. I Googled the term before I made my last post. Florida is listed as 7th on one list and 2nd on another list. I didn't mention these because they are meaningless. There simply isn't any school that produces quality NFL QB's on a consistent basis, which your Wiki page verifies. And conversley, just because a great QB hasn't come from any particular school before doesn't mean it can't have one in the future. This, again, has been shown to you multiple times.
You can keep making the simpleton's argument if you like, as there really isn't anything else to say on the matter. I'll bow out.
OF COURSE where a QB went to college matters. Of course.
The only question is how much weight you give that one factor
Alabama is gonna give us 4 in 5 years:
Mac Jones
Tua
Jalen Hurts
Bryce Young
To say it doesn't play a factor is asinine. I'm not saying it's THE ONLY factor but you certainly use it to weigh the pick.
Do you agree that the pac12 tends to produce more top tier qbs than other conferences the past 15-20 years? There's a lot...
Teams of course factor this in and sometimes even to a fault.
Licht: oh he played LB at LSU so he must be good...
So let's be clear... I'm not saying "don't draft Trask or Richardson ONLY BECAUSE they went to Florida". I'm saying unless the qb:
- has amazing tape
- has effective production via NFL styled offense
- is a freak both athletically and intellectually
Then you stay away from a college that has a SHIT TON OF TALENT AND A SHIT TON OF NFL PLAYERS BUT ZERO GOOD QBS.
It's not that hard
So let me get this straight. The guy who was on pace to match Burrow's incredible record setting SEC QB pace of 2019, (you know, the guy starting for the Bengals who has been to a Super Bowl) until Pitts (one of the few weapons he had at UF) went down from the BS hit by Cine against Georgia, can't play in the NFL because the Gators don't produce NFL talent? There are quite a few Gators in the NFL. And some guy name Emitt Smith is one of the most legendary of them (might want to look that guy up). You have nothing - let me repeat that - you have NOTHING to back up your opinion.
Now, I can sit here and tell you about how quick he was to discern defense pre and post snap. I can tell you how he called a chunk of his own plays during his own record setting year, in the SEC (wait, isn't that Alabama team you are hyping as a current QB U and SEC team? and don't they have more talent at receiver, and everywhere else, than the Gators have had recently?). There are plenty of other things, but you, like many, seem to be of the type to take Claude Christensen's word on his development speed. Or something like that. Probably thought he had a noodle arm until he dropped that 50+ yard dime in the preseason.
Why don't you bring some facts to actually back up your opinion on his ability to play QB?
