It makes the pick even worse if Gabbert was always the assumed back up, and we were trying to run it back.
We drafted a 3rd string qb?
This is what imploded the Packers. Drafting a backup qb and a (at the time) 3rd string RB.
You reload to win... especially with a small window and our cap situation.
Trask would need to become a pro bowl qb for the pick to be justified, let alone a good starter, let alone a game manager, let alone a starter, let alone a freaking backup.
Obviously if he beats Baker out in camp that's a great sign... and I have zero issue starting him, because why not? Fuck it let's see... and if I'm wrong, like with Winston, I'll GLADLY eat Crow because it means we have a qb and are presumably winning.
I give Trask playing a meaningful snap less than 10% chance. I'd say even less but I could see him playing after we are eliminated and the games don't matter.
It makes the pick even worse if Gabbert was always the assumed back up, and we were trying to run it back.
We drafted a 3rd string qb?
T
The Bucs didn't know Brady was sticking around for three years.
Trask was picked by Licht and Arians who both think highly of him. But Arians left the QB development and the general offensive roster stuff to the OC and his gang. As did Bowles, who came out and directly contradicted Claude when he said Gabbert was going to be the back-up before we even went to TC. This is all on the idiots who are now gone. They are gone because they didn't know what they were doing.
Trask had a TE, a RB, and a WR and that was pretty much it. He had to make do with that, and Pierce didn't get many touches under Mullen (stupidity on his part), so he doesn't even really count. Trask almost single handedly brought the team within a TD of beating the Tide in the SEC Championship game. Then all those guys who could catch the ball (including is iffy receivers) all left for the NFL and didn't play in the bowl game. He got stuck with a bunch of crappy receivers. The whole, he doesn't throw with zip thing is utter crap. I've seen him whip a ball into a tight window on many occasions. He more often puts a little air under his passes to make them easier for the receiver to catch, while placing them in a position that's difficult for the DB to defend. Pitts raved about the catchable balls he throws. Maybe, by you standard, we should get Richardson in here instead. Dude throws rockets...that go right through, or careen off of, the receiver's hands right into the DB's hands. Gunslingers get in trouble with picks all the time.
In any case, you still haven't really made a valid argument against him. The only thing you seem to have is the zip thing. You haven't seen him with the starters yet. How about instead of declaring something you can't possibly know to be true, you just sit back, relax, and let camp unfold and we'll see what he has playing with the starters, under competent coaching, running a QB friendly system and go from there.
Because it's an internet football forum... we're here to debate things and talk football...
You're entitled to think what you like, but saying I "don't have a point" is absurd.
Apply your logic to ANY qb that hasn't had a shot to do much in the NFL because of the depth chart.
There's countless QBs. Trask is one of hundreds.
I think the coaching staff is a fair point...but the Gabbert thing + bringing in Baker for 8m... idk
The staff can say they like him all they want, their actions say otherwise.
Trask isn't playing because he isn't good enough (yet).
And lastly... you have to have velocity or absolutely insane accuracy.
Brees-type accuracy.
He leaves something ofg the ball (catchable per Pitts) because you can get away with that in college...
In the pros he doesn't have the arm strength for the modern NFL.
I hope and pray he proves me wrong so you can rub it in my face. Truly
Things definitely don’t look good for trask. He was drafted into a weird situation and has not met or exceeded expectations. Having mayfield might be exactly what he needs to stand out. I think trasks biggest issue is understanding the ground that a NFL safety can cover. If he figures that out he might be pretty decent.
His biggest issue is arm strength and mobility.
He's got the height... he has a great year of production his senior year. He's coming into the NFL with 4 full years in college and now essentially sitting 2 years in the NFL...
And he still can't find the field.
He needs to beat out Mayfield plain and simple... that's the first step to bringing my belief.
In any case, you still haven't really made a valid argument against him. The only thing you seem to have is the zip thing. You haven't seen him with the starters yet. How about instead of declaring something you can't possibly know to be true, you just sit back, relax, and let camp unfold and we'll see what he has playing with the starters, under competent coaching, running a QB friendly system and go from there.
This paragraph is what makes Gator fan so funny because its reversing logic
The valid arguments against Trask are that he didn't make it to #2 and didn't perform that well when he played and, I guess, "the zip thing." Those are the "valid" arguments because they are observed and real.
as a Gator fan you're trying to INVALIDATE those REAL arguments with excuses about the future (ie imagination):
"You haven't seen him with the starters yet"
"under competent coaching"
"running a QB friendly system"
CERTAINLY YOUR RIGHT TO DO SO . . .
. . .but just keep the order right. Some are presenting the FACTS to date on Trask. They are facts. You might turn out some day to be right that the facts are not representative for Trask, but those are just excuses (invalid) until you are (hopefully**) proven right.
Gator fans claim "not played with starters yet" is not much different than all the Nole excuses for Jameis.
**The best thing for the Bucs is for Trask to be a star, so definitely hope he is
His biggest issue is arm strength and mobility.
He's got the height... he has a great year of production his senior year. He's coming into the NFL with 4 full years in college and now essentially sitting 2 years in the NFL...
And he still can't find the field.
He needs to beat out Mayfield plain and simple... that's the first step to bringing my belief.
I think his mobility and arm strength are fine. Trask must process faster and recognize things pre snap as that could be his edge over Mayfield. Mayfield can rifle passes downfield and move around no doubt when plays break down.
Trask threw a dime over 50 yards in the air in the preseason. You don't do that with a weak arm. I've seen him throw quite a few bombs in college, and I've seen him throw a dart between defenders on a few occasions. He doesn't have an arm strength issue, and this is why I don't take some of you guys serious. Yeah, we're all here stating our opinions, but some are more informed than others. I also remember his play in the third preseason game in 2021 where he played for most of the second half and had the same passer rating as Brady (I believe it was 138.6 - it was in the 130's, though). So I will continue to believe he's far more capable than what some of you think. The only way to know for sure is for him to get time with the starters and trying to get it done.
What Trask does better is reading safeties after the snap as he is very confident throwing down the seem and the middle of the field. Baker does better on the boundary because his WRs can go for jump balls which both Evans and Godwin excel at. But being able to read a safety post snap is important for crossing concepts that Canales will utilize so it is going to be a closer QB contest than people want to admit. Mayfield does have problems reading safeties downfield so lets see if Trask can consistently show a skill set that Mayfield is iffy on.
Keep in mind the Hawks went with that QB competition in the previous off season with Lock having a better arm and mobility than Geno. Geno is pretty mobile and has a strong arm in his own right but he is no where near the younger Drew Lock. But Geno separated himself from Lock because he simply showed better footwork in the pocket, read his keys pre snap and was always reading the safeties correctly.
Lol, according to you he has it all! So I guess we are set with our franchise qb.
Lmfao.
How far you can throw a ball vs throwing a tight accurate ball are 2 different things.
He can chuck up deep balls, so if you define arm strength as that then fine... but his tape for accuracy and velocity wasn't good. He doesn't throw a ball on a line, he leaves air under it... so he can't throw a precise out-route for example in the NFL.
Happy to be wrong. Happy to let him start if he beats out Baker. But Trask has had 6 years to play and he's put together 1 good season with a bunch of great talent around him.
His footwork is trash and he doesn't read quickly...so throwing deep balls with air under it means nothing if he can't manage the pocket or throw an accurate ball in coverage with NFL speed.
Period.
but his tape for accuracy and velocity wasn't good.
This tells me you haven't seen any Trask tape.
Seens it bigly. His ball doesn't have zip. He doesn't throw with anticipation.
But again... you all seem to think he has no flaws so I can't wait to anoint him the qb of the future!
Should easily be able to beat out Mayfield who throws dodge balls mid range.
Instead of throwing line drives, like Richardson did all last year, which are easier to pick, he arcs them up and over the coverage. Seen it time and time again. And his footwork was never trash. It wasn't the greatest, but he's worked on it significantly since getting into the league. He's not as mobile as Baker...so, no, he doesn't have it all. But what made Tom Brady who he was, was his ability to know where to go with the ball before the snap. Most athletic QB's don't have that skillset. That's why most SB winning QB's tend to be pocket passers who aren't necessarily the greatest athletes. Mahomes is one of those guys who's better at reading defenses quickly than most other athletic QB's.
In any case, it's clear you just hate Trask. Whatever. We'll see how these guys do in camp and Preseason.
Oh, and let me just use this as one of many examples as to why you clearly don't know what you are talking about with regards to Trask. Here he is displaying his ability to move in the pocket and throw while moving forward, hitting a dime of a pass with good zip right to Thompkins. Perfectly placed. But, sure, his arm is a noodle, and his feet are sh!t.
https://www.nfl.com/videos/kyle-trask-unloads-35-yard-deep-ball-to-deven-thompkins
I can find quite a few more similar examples. His Gators' tape is filled with them. Like Kermit56 said, you clearly haven't actually watched his tape.
