With his entire salary for this year being guaranteed and ($3 million of next years) the net gain would be zero on the cap if we released him so what would be the point?
Big loss on the cap.
There is no loss on the cap at all, not 1 cent.
2014 salary is guaranteed fully as was this seasons plus roster bonuses. Cap hit would be around $11.5 mil.
You do get that roster bonuses only come into play if a guy is on the roster that year and the money goes against the cap for that year, it doesn't get spread over future years, this seasons numbers mean nothing now that the year is over.His cap number for 2014 is $9 million made up of $6 million base salary and a $3 million roster bonus IF he's still on the team.Now if we release him the 2014 base salary is fully guaranteed as is $3 million of his 2015 salary which would get accelerated into 2014 making his cap number $9 million if he's on the roster or not.There is zero change to his cap number if we keep him or release him it's $9 million either way, I've no clue where you pulled $11.5 million from.The cap space freed up if we release the guy in future years would be...2015 - $5 million along with $3 million in dead cap space.2016 - $8 million2017 - $7.25 million
Wow that is a lot of money for a safety. No way in hell I would have paid that for Goldson. Better get a good defense in here to make all these high dollar players look good. Right now we are looking stupid. It almost seems as if Lovie has to be the choice. he can bring in a good OC and you know he will maximise your defensive players abilities. We have got to make sure we dont suck on defense wi all of these high priced players. We have to get that right.
after signing Goldson and Wright, maybe Dom couldn't evaluate DBs just like OLmen and DLmen either.
No one is going to trade for him.So keep him.
No one is going to trade for him.So keep him.
But he is actually a negative in the secondary. You have two guys who can't cover a bed with a blanket at that spot. Teams shredded our middle of the defense because they figured out what a gawd awful matchup those safeties were and how many times did we talk about late orations on deep balls that got by people? We need better play and Goldson ain't gonna get better and so in the suck matchup of him and Barron Barron wins just because he doesn't get a crap ton of flags.
No one is going to trade for him.So keep him.
But he is actually a negative in the secondary. You have two guys who can't cover a bed with a blanket at that spot. Teams shredded our middle of the defense because they figured out what a gawd awful matchup those safeties were and how many times did we talk about late orations on deep balls that got by people? We need better play and Goldson ain't gonna get better and so in the suck matchup of him and Barron Barron wins just because he doesn't get a crap ton of flags.
He had a terrible season. Look around, he wasn't the only one. I certainly wouldn't give up on a perennial Pro Bowl player after one season. I think his struggles were due to he just couldn't understand Schiano's crappy defense. What his responsibilities were, etc...You don't get rid of him if you don't have a replacement of equal or better value on the roster...and please don't say Keith Tandy. Anyone with one nth of football knowledge knows he's terrible in coverage and I don't need PFF to tell me that.
No one is going to trade for him.So keep him.
But he is actually a negative in the secondary. You have two guys who can't cover a bed with a blanket at that spot. Teams shredded our middle of the defense because they figured out what a gawd awful matchup those safeties were and how many times did we talk about late orations on deep balls that got by people? We need better play and Goldson ain't gonna get better and so in the suck matchup of him and Barron Barron wins just because he doesn't get a crap ton of flags.
He had a terrible season. Look around, he wasn't the only one. I certainly wouldn't give up on a perennial Pro Bowl player after one season. I think his struggles were due to he just couldn't understand Schiano's crappy defense. What his responsibilities were, etc...You don't get rid of him if you don't have a replacement of equal or better value on the roster...and please don't say Keith Tandy. Anyone with one nth of football knowledge knows he's terrible in coverage and I don't need PFF to tell me that.
He wasn't really a perennial pro bowler. He was the Ahmad Brooks of the SF team getting into the pro bowl because the defense was good and he was on that defense. Look at the way he played and there was nothing he did that even came close to looking good. He looked worthless in coverage and sadly for us his tackling and run defense was appallingly soft as well.
At the time I thought the Bucs overpaid him, but I still thought he was a pretty good player. I didn't expect him to play this poorly.
Agreed. Forget about the penalties, his play in coverage was really, really bad.
Ring.Ring. Ring."Hello.""Hey, this is the Bucs new GM. We've got this guy here that we really overpaid, and now he's killing us with penalties. Would you be interested?""How much will you give us to take him?""Umm... we were hoping you would pay us.""Buwahahahaha!" *click*Ring.Ring.Ring."Hello.""It's the Bucs new GM again. I've got this other guy here that we made the highest paid guard in the league. He plays in four games a year at around eighty percent. How about if we throw him in?""Seriously, stop calling or I'm going to get a restraining order." *click*
With his entire salary for this year being guaranteed and ($3 million of next years) the net gain would be zero on the cap if we released him so what would be the point?
Big loss on the cap.
There is no loss on the cap at all, not 1 cent.
2014 salary is guaranteed fully as was this seasons plus roster bonuses. Cap hit would be around $11.5 mil.
You do get that roster bonuses only come into play if a guy is on the roster that year and the money goes against the cap for that year, it doesn't get spread over future years, this seasons numbers mean nothing now that the year is over.His cap number for 2014 is $9 million made up of $6 million base salary and a $3 million roster bonus IF he's still on the team.Now if we release him the 2014 base salary is fully guaranteed as is $3 million of his 2015 salary which would get accelerated into 2014 making his cap number $9 million if he's on the roster or not.There is zero change to his cap number if we keep him or release him it's $9 million either way, I've no clue where you pulled $11.5 million from.The cap space freed up if we release the guy in future years would be...2015 - $5 million along with $3 million in dead cap space.2016 - $8 million2017 - $7.25 million
$9mil dead money if he's released is a hit on the cap no matter how you wish to phrase it. As far as how roster bonuses are counted vs. the cap, I would disagree with you but don't feel like spending the time looking it up. So let's go with your number. A safety not playing and costing $9mil is a hit to the cap.
With his entire salary for this year being guaranteed and ($3 million of next years) the net gain would be zero on the cap if we released him so what would be the point?
Big loss on the cap.
There is no loss on the cap at all, not 1 cent.
2014 salary is guaranteed fully as was this seasons plus roster bonuses. Cap hit would be around $11.5 mil.
You do get that roster bonuses only come into play if a guy is on the roster that year and the money goes against the cap for that year, it doesn't get spread over future years, this seasons numbers mean nothing now that the year is over.His cap number for 2014 is $9 million made up of $6 million base salary and a $3 million roster bonus IF he's still on the team.Now if we release him the 2014 base salary is fully guaranteed as is $3 million of his 2015 salary which would get accelerated into 2014 making his cap number $9 million if he's on the roster or not.There is zero change to his cap number if we keep him or release him it's $9 million either way, I've no clue where you pulled $11.5 million from.The cap space freed up if we release the guy in future years would be...2015 - $5 million along with $3 million in dead cap space.2016 - $8 million2017 - $7.25 million
His contract has $22 million guaranteed in it. The Bucs didn't pay him $22 million for 2013. He's still due a lot of money whether they cut him or not.
With his entire salary for this year being guaranteed and ($3 million of next years) the net gain would be zero on the cap if we released him so what would be the point?
Big loss on the cap.
There is no loss on the cap at all, not 1 cent.
2014 salary is guaranteed fully as was this seasons plus roster bonuses. Cap hit would be around $11.5 mil.
You do get that roster bonuses only come into play if a guy is on the roster that year and the money goes against the cap for that year, it doesn't get spread over future years, this seasons numbers mean nothing now that the year is over.His cap number for 2014 is $9 million made up of $6 million base salary and a $3 million roster bonus IF he's still on the team.Now if we release him the 2014 base salary is fully guaranteed as is $3 million of his 2015 salary which would get accelerated into 2014 making his cap number $9 million if he's on the roster or not.There is zero change to his cap number if we keep him or release him it's $9 million either way, I've no clue where you pulled $11.5 million from.The cap space freed up if we release the guy in future years would be...2015 - $5 million along with $3 million in dead cap space.2016 - $8 million2017 - $7.25 million
$9mil dead money if he's released is a hit on the cap no matter how you wish to phrase it. As far as how roster bonuses are counted vs. the cap, I would disagree with you but don't feel like spending the time looking it up. So let's go with your number. A safety not playing and costing $9mil is a hit to the cap.
Which is exactly what I said the first time that you "corrected," he's a $9 million hit on the cap if he's on the roster or released so the net gain is zero.In terms of the roster bonus no need to look it up, teams can "guarantee" a roster bonus just before paying it and spread the cost over the remaining contract IF they want to but Dom didn't do that last year, he simply paid it all to get it off the books ASAP because we had the cap room, the 2014 roster bonus hasn't been earnt yet and if they were to release him they would likely do so before the date it's due making it a none factor. We gain nothing nothing but a roster spot (and lesspersonal foul flags) by letting him go.
Trade him. Dead money or not you can draft a free safety for the fraction of the cost to replace him.
Which is exactly what I said the first time that you "corrected," he's a $9 million hit on the cap if he's on the roster or released so the net gain is zero.In terms of the roster bonus no need to look it up, teams can "guarantee" a roster bonus just before paying it and spread the cost over the remaining contract IF they want to but Dom didn't do that last year, he simply paid it all to get it off the books ASAP because we had the cap room, the 2014 roster bonus hasn't been earnt yet and if they were to release him they would likely do so before the date it's due making it a none factor. We gain nothing nothing but a roster spot (and lesspersonal foul flags) by letting him go.
Goldson's $22 mil in guarantees includes roster bonuses of $4.5 mil for 13 and $3mil for 14. So there's nothing to be earned at this point. He's getting it. In addition gaining a roster spot might be nice but try selling $22 mil in payouts to the guy for one year to the Glazers.
Which is exactly what I said the first time that you "corrected," he's a $9 million hit on the cap if he's on the roster or released so the net gain is zero.In terms of the roster bonus no need to look it up, teams can "guarantee" a roster bonus just before paying it and spread the cost over the remaining contract IF they want to but Dom didn't do that last year, he simply paid it all to get it off the books ASAP because we had the cap room, the 2014 roster bonus hasn't been earnt yet and if they were to release him they would likely do so before the date it's due making it a none factor. We gain nothing nothing but a roster spot (and lesspersonal foul flags) by letting him go.
Goldson's $22 mil in guarantees includes roster bonuses of $4.5 mil for 13 and $3mil for 14. So there's nothing to be earned at this point. He's getting it. In addition gaining a roster spot might be nice but try selling $22 mil in payouts to the guy for one year to the Glazers.
Nope, that was $3million part of his base salary for 2015 not it's not the 2014 roster bonus, it wouldn't be a roster bonus if it was guaranteed that far ahead of time and it didn't matter if he was on the roster or not, they would have simply increased the salary.That $22 million guaranteed is a false figure because it includes potential bonus money that isn't really guaranteed until he earns it like the $1.5 million in workout bonuses for 2015-2017.The true guaranteed money on his deal including what has been earnt so far is $17,735,295.2013 - $4,235,295 base salary + $4.5 million roster bonus(this was earnt) = $8,235,2952014 - $6 million base salary2015 - $3 million base salary (alters to all $7.5 million is he's injured)Future "guaranteed" money if he earns it is...2014 - $3 million roster bonus2015 - $500k workout bonus2016 - $500k workout bonus2017 - $500k workout bonusTotal - $4.5 millionThrow the earnt and to be earnt together and you get your $22 million figure that is misleading, how often do we hear of players & teams arguing over workout bonuses (think Revis with the Jets last year before the trade), if they were really guaranteed it wouldn't matter if the player worked out or not.If roster bonuses are guaranteed at the time of the contract signing they are treated like a signing bonus and yet there is no cap hits for releasing him in 2016 or 2017 so we know this isn't the case. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tampa-bay-buccaneers/dashon-goldson/
