we franchise tag him
Great.
So now, we’re roughly $12M-$15M over the cap.
And, YOU are also banging the drum to re-sign Vea.
Then, factor in 2027 FA and draft class.
Now what?
Yeah, obviously nobody on either side wants the Bucs to use the Franchise tag. But the fact remains that they do have the option to do so. It's always a possibility, and that should factor into the negotiations - for both sides.
unreasonable would be not countering
agreed
But I would also say its a bit of a shell game. Baker says his negotiations are over now the TC is underway. He was never negotiating anyway. His agent was negotiating. Baker says thats fine going forward, just doint ask him about contract stuff during TC. Um, okay sure.
In all of that posturing back and forth publicly he still referenced offers (plural) from the Bucs, so most likely both parties have moved off their starts, communicated offers and counters and positions. They just didn't get it done by Mayfield's fake "dont ask me questions about it" deadline.
They didnt get Wirfs done until training camp, I think? Mayfield would know better than most.
we franchise tag him
Great.
So now, we’re roughly $12M-$15M over the cap.
And, YOU are also banging the drum to re-sign Vea.
Then, factor in 2027 FA and draft class.
Now what?
the end result is obviously not to have him play on the franchise tag but you eliminate other teams from entering the negotiating table
we've seen it before where the franchise tag is used and then ultimately the parties agree to a deal
one would think the Bucs and Baker can do this...but not if their intention is a 2 year deal
unreasonable would be not countering
agreed
But I would also say its a bit of a shell game. Baker says his negotiations are over now the TC is underway. He was never negotiating anyway. His agent was negotiating. Baker says thats fine going forward, just doint ask him about contract stuff during TC. Um, okay sure.
In all of that posturing back and forth publicly he still referenced offers (plural) from the Bucs, so most likely both parties have moved off their starts, communicated offers and counters and positions. They just didn't get it done by Mayfield's fake "dont ask me questions about it" deadline.
They didnt get Wirfs done until training camp, I think? Mayfield would know better than most.
all depends
if the Bucs only think of him in terms of the next 2 years, they probably bruised his ego a bit. Baker being an emotional guy went public but probably a 50/50 split of fans that A - wanted him to play out this year on existing contract versus B - wanted him extended prior to the year. More heavily waited to " Get Baker signed now" on this board versus X being more evenly split.
I think the Bucs are perfectly content with Bakers arbitrary deadline as there was very little upside to extending him prior to the season anyway. So they "have the utmost respect for Baker" all fine and dandy but they essentially got what they wanted. There wont be much movement in average value per year on the 2026 season.
i know im murdering that dead horse, but pewterreport echoed the same on one of their videos, what Baker are the Bucs committing too...the 2024 guy or the 2025 guy? the 40 Touchdown guy or the 25 TD guy. those are two entirely different QBs
Baker's camp is certainly pointing to the playoff win, life after Brady and the 40+ TD top 5 offense of the first 2 seasons. He most likely wants that 5 year deal like others in his tier have gotten
the Bucs, whether you want to admit it or not, pumped the breaks a bit after his 2025 play and thus thought enough of him to guarantee money, albeit, a 2 year deal. Not much of a commitment when you are talking about a supposed franchise QB.
I actually adore that Baker is betting on himself. Just think if he would have accepted a 2 year deal (coming off a 3 year deal) at an age where he still has some run way on the career. That would have signaled to me that the guy doesn't even belief in himself. So this is all good news at least on the Baker front.
we franchise tag him
Great.
So now, we’re roughly $12M-$15M over the cap.
And, YOU are also banging the drum to re-sign Vea.
Then, factor in 2027 FA and draft class.
Now what?
the end result is obviously not to have him play on the franchise tag but you eliminate other teams from entering the negotiating table
we've seen it before where the franchise tag is used and then ultimately the parties agree to a deal
So, you tag him and he opts not to work out a long term deal with the team and plays on the tag.
Then what?
we franchise tag him
Great.
So now, we’re roughly $12M-$15M over the cap.
And, YOU are also banging the drum to re-sign Vea.
Then, factor in 2027 FA and draft class.
Now what?
Yeah, obviously nobody on either side wants the Bucs to use the Franchise tag. But the fact remains that they do have the option to do so. It's always a possibility, and that should factor into the negotiations - for both sides.
Oh yeah, I get it.
There’s just some on here who think the tag is a guaranteed solution for everything and that it’s fail proof.
we franchise tag him
Great.
So now, we’re roughly $12M-$15M over the cap.
And, YOU are also banging the drum to re-sign Vea.
Then, factor in 2027 FA and draft class.
Now what?
the end result is obviously not to have him play on the franchise tag but you eliminate other teams from entering the negotiating table
we've seen it before where the franchise tag is used and then ultimately the parties agree to a deal
So, you tag him and he opts not to work out a long term deal with the team and plays on the tag.
Then what?
we franchise tag him
Great.
So now, we’re roughly $12M-$15M over the cap.
And, YOU are also banging the drum to re-sign Vea.
Then, factor in 2027 FA and draft class.
Now what?
the end result is obviously not to have him play on the franchise tag but you eliminate other teams from entering the negotiating table
we've seen it before where the franchise tag is used and then ultimately the parties agree to a deal
So, you tag him and he opts not to work out a long term deal with the team and plays on the tag.
Then what?
if you only plan to offer him a 2 year deal, then you don't tag him. you risk losing him because clearly you dont believe in him long term and don't want to commit. Assume he plays to his "law of averages", he will get a 3 year offer from Pittsburgh, other team or two, etc.
i'd be surprised the Bucs don't have a ball park understanding of what Baker wants.
i think they only tag him if he plays to what we want him to play too (2024 level, first 6 games of 2025) and the Bucs ultimately will want to work out a 4, 5 year deal with him
so if he performs to that level, which we all think we could with Robinson, right? then what is the likehood that they DONT work a deal out given they actually commit to him.
is there risk he plays under the tag. Sure. But i'd say it's low and we have the bargaining power. Guess, we can say goodbye to Chris Godwin if that happens, a shit load of restructures (Wirfs, Goedeke, AWJ, McCollum, etc.)
He was never going to accept a 2 year deal. Will he accept a 3 year deal? Maybe....but that would mean he likely didnt have a great 2026. If he plays close to 2024, he will see the dollar signs by the Bucs so likely a moot point.
the market has been set...(Love, Goff, Hurts, Lawrence, Purdy). It aint moving much from that. So the Bucs have to decide whether they want to commit that to Baker or not. While you are a big fan of the 2 year deal being fair because of the guaranteed money, it was eye opening that the Bucs really dont value him or tried to piss him off on purpose.
is there risk he plays under the tag. Sure. But i'd say it's low and we have the bargaining power. Guess, we can say goodbye to Chris Godwin if that happens, a shit load of restructures (Wirfs, Goedeke, AWJ, McCollum, etc.)
Whoa!
So, are you saying the tag isn’t some guaranteed way to handle all of this with no chance of major longstanding repercussions?
Look at you go!
is there risk he plays under the tag. Sure. But i'd say it's low and we have the bargaining power. Guess, we can say goodbye to Chris Godwin if that happens, a shit load of restructures (Wirfs, Goedeke, AWJ, McCollum, etc.)
Whoa!
So, are you saying the tag isn’t some guaranteed way to handle all of this with no chance of major longstanding repercussions?
Look at you go!
but it still gives Bucs the leverage in any negotiation and something i wouldnt be suprised they used if needed.
and again, if they only plan to offer him 2 years, then yeah dont tag him, just let him walk. Clearly you dont think much of him.
but if he plays like we want him to play, they likely dont even get to the tag, and he gets the 4 or 5 years he covets
question comes if he plays mid, bucs win 8 games, hopefully get a new head coach...then what do they do?
Clearly you dont think much of him.
That’s where you’re wrong.
Sure, I don’t have the estrogen-fueled, flip-flopping mood swings about that you do.
But, it’s also not a coincidence that when you asked me months ago, “what would I do”, that my offer was eerily similar to what the Glazers just did.
That being said, I’ve always said of the Bucs brass…if you think he’s “your guy”, then lock him up.
If not, move on.
At the end of the day, Glazers played chicken with Liam and lost. Tried to save face with Bowles by extending him and everything blew up in their face.
Probably closer to a regime change than a deep playoff run, so they’re choosing not to commit to anything with a potential change at GM/HC in 5-6 months.
Clearly you dont think much of him.
That’s where you’re wrong.
Sure, I don’t have the estrogen-fueled, flip-flopping mood swings about that you do.
But, it’s also not a coincidence that when you asked me months ago, “what would I do”, that my offer was eerily similar to what the Glazers just did.
That being said, I’ve always said of the Bucs brass…if you think he’s “your guy”, then lock him up.
If not, move on.
At the end of the day, Glazers played chicken with Liam and lost. Tried to save face with Bowles by extending him and everything blew up in their face.
Probably closer to a regime change than a deep playoff run, so they’re choosing not to commit to anything with a potential change at GM/HC in 5-6 months.
You mentioned a 4 year deal at 180M if i remember correctly (which i do) but go ahead and make shit up
still waiting on that link to your supposed 140M guaranteed. where is it?
You mentioned a 4 year deal at 180M if i remember correctly (which i do) but go ahead and make shit up
still waiting on that link to your supposed 140M guaranteed. where is it?
Yep. That’s right. My mistake.
What did I say guaranteed on that one?
And, wait all you want on that link. I’ve literally explained it multiple times over 2-3 different threads.
Not my fault you Philly retards are illiterate.
it was eye opening that the Bucs really dont value him or tried to piss him off on purpose.
that is such bs lmao
Bucs extend Vea!
a win for us! Only 1 year too through 2027 season as well.
good for Licht!
