“I’m not even sure, in the front office, that they think [Winston] is the future,” Cowherd said. “He’s clearly the fourth best quarterback (in the division). He’s not as talented as Cam; he’s not as precise as Matt Ryan or Drew Brees; their offensive line is a work in progress. I think Dirk Koetter is fine, but I think you’re limited with Jameis Winston who just doesn’t feel like, right now, he’s ready, on a maturity level, to be a quarterback in the NFL… This is a really good division and they’re not a good football team.”

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  1. Haha, He didn’t even guess the outcome of games. He just had every division (all 8 are listed in his feed) try to end up at 32 wins and losses total. Our division had 37 wins. We just was what was left after he gave 29 wins to the other 3 teams in the division. Idiot.

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  2. Limited? I think not. 4th best QB in our Division? I think so. Year 5 here people. If not now..When? People keep sayin give him time. 4 yrs is a college degree!! He’s in grad school now. But his record does not indicate he ready for grad school. In a couple of yrs, IF Jameis does not markedly improve..It might be time to call him a..BUST. Or..backup at best. His status is now magnified due to his off the field behaviors. So,,,Here we go. Good luck Jameis. We all want you to succeed. But..this is a business.

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    • We get it Mike, you were a math major. Pretty sure you recall that Winston was drafted in 2015. But whose counting? lol. I do agree with you that he should continue to improve and like you we all want him to succeed.

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    • This will be Jameis’ 4th year in the league.

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  3. This sounds about right. Not sure what the record will be but here is how i think we rank in the Division:

    QB- 4th
    O-line- 4th
    WR- 1st
    TE-2nd
    RB-4th
    D-line 3rd
    LB-3rd
    Secondary-4th
    Special teams- 4th
    Coaching staff-4th

    Hard to see us doing any better than last in the Division, given that the we are last in the Division in so many areas.

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    • Bucnut, agree with most of your rankings, but TE = 2nd? Who do you have ranked higher? Same with our LB, I’d say we are 2nd behind the Panthers, but like I said agree with the rest.

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      • If Olsen is healthy he gets the nod over our very talented duo. I give the Falcons the edge on LB

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        • Good assessment Bucnut2. Our playoff chances all start with how we stack up in our division. From a talent perspective, we’ve made some progress, but clearly have work to do. My only disagreement is at LB – with a healthy Beckwith I think we’re #1, fortified by the back-ups.

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        • The Falcons LB’ers over Kwon and Lavonte. I’m sorry dude, but that’s just insane lol

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    • Yep, just about right in all those rankings. Team has a lot of holes.

      I would rank our LBs 2nd instead of 3rd.

      If we have the best group of WRs in the division but the 4th best QB it seems reasonable to me that
      the WRs make Jameis better than he really is, except for the 15-20 yd throws where he is very deadly.

      But great QBs are good at all the level of throws, short, medium and deep. We don’t have that and
      neither did the Titans get that with Mariota. I think the better crop came the year after.

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      • Scot- well said. I agree that next year had a better crop of QB prospects. I was never a Winston fan because of on and off field issues. Unfortunately both of those issues have thus far followed him into the NFL. I initially liked Mariota but the more I watched him, I favored trading down and building the rest of the roster. The QB i really wanted was Carr in the prior draft but then we would not have Evans.

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      • IMO the mistake people including SR and the PR gang are making now is assuming our improvement will result in wins. We could and I think will improve greatly on defense, but we were so bad that I still think we will be the 4 best defense in the Division. I have been re- watching games from last year and IMO, NO WAY we beat Saints in NO. We’ll be relying heavily on rookies in the secondary and Brees will kill them. We may or may not be able to pressure him but even if we do, he’s so good, he’ll beat our secondary. Don’t forget, Saints have a really good O-line.

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  4. The whole world sees it, It is clear the writing on the wall but the FSU/Bucs fans will go down to last breath defending a “BUST #3 Jamies Winston-BUST “.

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    • Buc Ass Bob do you realize nobody listens to you at all? You sound like a miserable fan who cares more about being right about JW, then rooting for your team. Go root for the Falcons or Panthers, they’d love to have you as a fan

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  5. Well, no one has watched more Bucs’ games than Cowherd. No one has has poured over more Bucs’ tape than Cowherd.

    So obviously this is an extremely well-developed opinion by a member of the professional sports commenter association of America.

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    • The problem is it’s hard to find ANY knowledge football people outside of the Tampa area that think Winston is anything more than an average, TO prone QB. I listen to a lot of NFL network on Sirius and I have yet to hear anyone say Winston is a franchise QB let alone elite.

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      • Funny how the people who’s job it is to watch every Bucs game are the ones defending Jameis’ ability. And the national media who probably watch 1 or 2 Bucs games a year just copy each-others sound bites and talking points.

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        • Well- the proof is there. He’s TO prone. That is not in dispute. He should have had 3 more picks in the Saints game but got bailed out. In addition, he’s 18-27 as a starter. TO=losses. There are other reasons for sure but Winston is a BIG reason we are finishing last in our Division.

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          • All I’m gonna say is that the one year Jameis had even a semi respectable defense (2016) we went 9-7 and just missed the playoffs. And that was with no running game and OhNoNo Aguayo shanking kicks left and right.

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          • Jameis could have had an all pro mvp caliber season and this pile of dogshit defense would have still kept the Bucs below .500 sorry dude but blaming Winston is absolutely insane. Have you actually watched any Bucs games? Or do you just google the boxscore after the game is over? Because anyone that actually watched them play, and is NOT a JW hater( going back to the day he was drafted) would clearly see how god awful the defense, running game, and kicker were. Rodgers or Brady wouldn’t have taken the Bucs to the playoffs last year

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        • Yeah … listen to those analysts who devote their professional lives to the Bucs, like here at PR, who projected 10-6 or better and a deep playoff run and a MVP candidacy for Winston last year. They know far more than all those other non-homer media people, most of whom projected the Bucs to finish in 3rd or 4th place in the division last year.

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      • This article is about Colin Cowherd’s perceptions of the Bucs’ prospects broadly and how their starting QB hooks into that specifically. That is what I’m commenting on.

        There is virtually zero chance that Cowherd’s thoughts here are much more than proliferated groupthink. They aren’t insight from watching 16 games of the 2017 Bucs and understanding the implications of the offseason moves. They aren’t insight born of watching Bucs tape (which he could trivially have access to if he took his job seriously).

        It’s shallow, abstract nonsense from a guy who gets paid a ridiculous amount of money to speak on sports from an intensively informed perspective.

        Basically, we should ignore what these people have to say about the Bucs until they actually earn their paychecks.

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        • So you assert that Cowherd has easy access to game tape on the Bucs, and you assert he doesn’t watch any of it?

          Hmmm … I didn’t realize you are the designated Cowherd-watcher who keeps a running log of exactly how much time he spends analyzing Bucs game tape. That must be a pretty good gig … what does Cowherd pay you to log his life?

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          • Its kindergarten-level inference. People who actually have a forensic understanding of a subject don’t speak in deep abstractions, broad generalizations, canned/boilerplate memes, or just trot out the latest peddled group-think.

            When experts speak on a subject, their focus is tighter, more granular.

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    • In all seriousness almost no writer or journalist has observed more snaps of Buccaneers football and practices over the past decade years than Scott Reynolds and almost every year he has them in the playoffs with a 10-6 record.

      There is something to be said about the inability to see the forest through the trees with Bucs fans and writers having it down to a science.

      Wait, there are 31 other teams? I had no idea! (Says every Bucs fan who can’t understand why there aren’t a dozen Jason Licht’s acquired players in the top 100)

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      • Devasher- I get what you are saying and in large part agree. I could be wrong but it does seem SR predict between 9-11 wins each year and in many years that projection has been too optimistic. I think SR is a very smart football guy and believe he knows what he’s doing. His mock drafts and talent work have been great!
        IMO- SR is in a tough spot. He obviously has GREAT connections inside the Bucs organization. He can’t be too negative because his access will be taken away. I can remember when Licht was trying to defend trading up to pick Aguayo. Licht was feeding all of us this line about how Aguayo wold be more accurate in the NFL and that he was a “generational” kicker and was worth the high pick. SR defended that position and I wrote several posts strongly disagreeing. I couldn’t believe SR would buy the crap that Licht was selling but it sounded like he did. I thought SR had lost his mind. However the more I thought about it I came to the conclusion that Licht likely used the access he gives SR as a way to get some positive local press. If you remember, the national football media and NFL insiders were KILLING Licht. Sooo- I believe Scott is in a tough spot and I do think he takes the class half full approach which allows him to report what he honestly thinks and maintain his relationships inside walls of 1-Buc

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        • Jason Licht and Greg Schiano are opposite examples of how a relationship with the press can prop up or kill a career independent of actual results.

          Schiano’s winning % in two years is almost identical to Licht’s in four and yet Reynolds wanted Schiano fired in the opening weeks of his second season coming off of 7-9 and wants Licht extended past his 5th year despite his most important draft pick (Winston) missing 3 games for a crotch grab of an Uber driver coming off 5-11.

          Naturally Scott writes about the QB’s Licht could take next year. Because I want Licht’s sterling judgment on the next batch of rookies after all he’s proven so far. Are any top prospects currently facing rape accusations that Licht can investigate for our first round pick? 🙄

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        • You hit the nail on the head, Bucnut2. A non-homer media person won’t get the same treatment and access from the Bucs regime as a writer who points out that the Emperor is buck-assed naked.

          If Bucs fans actually demanded performance from the team (by, say, cancelling season tickets), as opposed to conformance from the media writers, perhaps the Baby Glazers would take the intelligent action of selling the team to new owners who actually are competent.

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  6. Colin Cowturd talks out of his culo for about the billionth time in his broadcasting career. Nothing to see here folks, move along.

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  7. I think we should all be measured with our words. Words matter, as Colin Cowherd can attest to. Sometimes we say things that we regret or we should wait and see before we spout off!

    http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/13314040/colin-cowherd-no-longer-espn-air-comments-dominican-republic-players

    Jameis can’t escape what he did and I think most of us are disappointed to say the least. I can’t and won’t defend his off-field behavior, but there is upside in his football. He has played with a bad football team and his turnovers hasn’t helped. But football starts next Thursday and Winston played well the second half of last season. Let’s see where it goes! Go Bucs!

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  8. I don’t think we are going 13-3 but 3-13 is a pretty low bar. With all the transition I don’t think 7-9 or 8-8 is out of the question. We have a lot of young talent so i wouldn’t be completely disappointed.

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  9. Has Cowherd ever been right about anything?

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  10. It IS amusing how many of these national media people just parrot stuff that other national media Yahoo’s have already spewed out. Very original stuff! Blah Blah Blah. Same as most of them Copy and paste last year’s standings when making their seasonal predictions. It would be SHOCKING if just one of those Hacks would own up to their idiotic predictions after the fact. Not holding my breath though.

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  11. If Bucs can muster a decent Pass rush this year, He will eat those words. Bucs will have a running game for sure unless Right guard and Right tackle don’t hold up. But if we can pound the rock with Jones, and Vea and McCoy can create pressure in the middle and Jason Pierre Paul along with Vinny Curry on the Outside, Winston will not have to win games all by himself. All he has to do is concentrate on not turning over the ball. His numbers otherwise are fine.

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  12. Stir, stir, stir that pot. All good bulletin board fodder for Jameis, though.

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  13. Most Winston turnovers come when he is under pressure and holds the ball or tries to force it. Better pass protection, less pressure, fewer turnovers. Better run game to keep the defense honest, less pressure, fewer turnovers. A ‘doctorate level’ QB, when pressured, would not hold the ball or try to force it unless it was ‘Hail, Mary’ time. Winston is not a ‘doctorate level’ QB. yet; he may never be. There are not that many guys named Brees or Brady in the league. He is not yet a ‘masters level” QB like Matt Ryan. But, he can be a very good starter when the run game and pass protection control the pressure. Last year, we took a very good TE when two very good OT’s were still on the board. And, last year, we let a Pro Bowl LT we could afford go instead to the Rams. The result was an inadequate run game, QB pressure, QB injury and turnovers. At least something was done this year to help the run game and the OL. Fewer turnovers should result.

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  14. Winston will need to have a 97% QB rating or better. The defensive line will need to create more sacks & pressure to help our DB’S. And the O line will definitely need to play better. The s teams ie kicker needs to be alot better

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  15. There have only been a couple QBs with the size speed and strength of Jameis to ever enter the NFL. No matter how disappointed we all are with the recent news events, the other thing that must be taken into consideration is his score on the wonderlick test. As far as I know he only scored one point less than Peyton Manning. The man still has the intelligence to learn to read defenses and make better decisions with the ball. And you must also look at how he finished the season after the shoulder healed. Maturity is a constant WIP, but the combination of physicality and IQ is extremely rare. Big Ben is really the only other QB that had all those

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    • Maybe he got Big Ben crossed in his mind
      People spew some of the stupid things at 6’3 Winston is average size
      and just in 2015 combine there were 6 bigger QBs
      at 5.0 sec 40 he was the slowest of all QB 14 faster QB in 2015 alone he is only 227 pounds
      in broad and verticail jump he was last place
      I guess people get crap in there head and and believe it true

      https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2015/2/22/8084841/nfl-combine-2015-results-quarterbacks-marcus-mariota-jameis-winston

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    • M.M score on wonderlick test was higher then Winston’s .

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    • Winston is speedy? Are you serious?

      His size is nothing special, there are literally dozens of quarterbacks at 6’4″ and 230 pounds or better who either make the rosters or start in the NFL every year.

      And Winston’s overall play is simply mediocre amongst NFL starters, both by his stats and by independent game film analysis by PFF.

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      • I didn’t say he was Michael Vick. I am just saying that he is built like a tank. And that he moves fast for a man that size

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  16. 3-13? I’m as always very pessimistic as Bucs fan but that ridiculous unless really bad luck with injuries. I guess can’t argue Winston is the 4th best QB at this point though. I hope he continues to develop and I think he has the talent and brains to become a lot better. This team has been so up and down with defense,kickers, run game it’s hard to gage anything. Really been quite pathetic. This year he better improve a lot if the team does. His maturity is in question still but Cowerd is acting like the Uber thing wasnt 2 years ago. Hard to say if he has matured unfortunately just have to wait and see for now.

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  17. This article should be taped to the wall for the players to remember what was said and prove them wrong ! Some have already given up before the game has even played.
    Not me. We could make some noise by the end of the season. Go Bucs.

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  18. Limited with Jamies – what an idiot. The guy is 24 – read again people – 24. Playing on a team with improving talent, but across the board, closer to the bottom in our division. [I agree with the majority of Bucnut2's assessment posted above.]

    Other than Brees, take a look at Matt Ryan and Cam in their first three years. Hardly Pro Bowlers. Jamies needs work – reduce turnovers, fumbles in particular, and get the deep ball sorted out. But he’s is improving along with the rest of the team.

    Those calling on the Bucs to draft another rookie QB are even more foolish than Cowherd. If #3 doesn’t make it, we trade for or sign a FA QB that can step in as we did with Brad Johnson. The team will have advanced talent-wise to where we won’t want to start all over at QB.

    My bet is that won’t be needed. I expect Jamies will have his best, albeit shortened season.

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    • Well said dman. It’s unreal how short people’s memory is, and how quick the JW haters want to say he’s a bust, he sucks, he’s this, he’s that. VERY FEW QB’s have all pro numbers at the QB position after 3 seasons. Let’s start with all 3 QB’s in the division. JW beats Brees in every single category through first 3 seasons, outside completion percentage( by half a point). JW beats Ryan in every single category outside TD/INT ratio, and INT%. And JW beats Cam in every single category, outside YPA by 0.01 points lol so you can argue Jameis is on pace to be better than all 3 QB’s in the division. Claiming a QB is a bust after 3 seasons is insane. He’s made significant progress from year 2 to year 3. If you take the 11 games that JW played start to finish last year( leaving out the games he was injured or left injured, his 16 game pace numbers were as follows: 4900 yards, 28 TD’s 16 INT’s, 64.3 comp %, 8.2 YPA, and a 95.6 QB Rating. So he’s already made a huge leap from year 2 to year 3. Some of you haters are laughable. Christ look at Brady after 3 seasons. JW beats Brady in yards, yds/gm, TD’s, TD/INT ratio, YPA, and QB Rating. Only categories Brady beats JW in is completion percentage, and INT% by 0.03 points. Like get off the guys back. Only difference between Jameis and all the QB’s I just mentioned, is that Jameis has had by far the worst team around him through 3 seasons. Brees Chargers were great, the Panthers were good, the Pats were good, and the Falcons were up and coming

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  19. playoffpredictors.com

    Play it for your self
    There is no team with as hard a schedule as the BUCS have
    Not sure why but do not think it was random, gives me the felling
    NFL did it on purpose, Not sure why must have something to do with Glazers

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  20. Agree DMAN. Limited with Winston but lack of run game, leagues worst defense, no kicker, etc etc didn’t limit us more? These national guys know much less than everage Bucs fan I think. Idiots that get paid to flap their gums. Anyone more than casual football fan knows this too I think.

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  21. Why would NFL hate the Glazers? Kind of a wacky accusation with no proof.

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    • No accusation said Not sure why but do not think it was random! still do not think it was random!
      Fredster why would NFL hit a last place team with the hardest schedule I even seen.
      Do not know why NFL would hate the Glazers, however they did it for a reason and that it was not for love.

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      • The schedule is not “random”. It is predetermined years in advance with the exception of two games. In our case this season: NFC South Division teams home and away (6 games), an entire other NFC division (NFC East-4 games), an entire AFC division (AFC North-4 games) and two NFC teams who finished the same in their respective divisions (SF and Bears).

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      • Nobody ever knows in advance how hard the schedule is. The NFL famously features numerous worst-to-first teams and vice versa, first to worst teams, every single season. How many experts predicted the Eagles success last year?

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  22. LOL, Mike Wright should go host a radio show with Coward. Maybe. Etwee. The two of them together they can bust their IQ level into triple digits.
    I also don’t think. Newton is a better QB. Look at his stats and rating from last year. He was barely a little over 50 percent completion rate.
    Newton has benefited from a much better rushing add a k and defense than Winston has ever had.
    The only reason people think he is a good QB is because he runs the ball. Great, he also folds like a lawn chair in the biggest game of his career and sulksi lke a child when he loses. Way to dive after your fumble in the SB tough guy.

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  23. Maybe Winston is the #4 QB in the division, but there aren’t many QBs in the league that would be ranked higher than Brees and Ryan so that ranking doesn’t mean much. Also, with the team we’ve fielded since Winston has come aboard it’s hard to put the blame on him alone.

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