Often compared by the media and fans alike, with both being called gunslingers, former Packers great Brett Favre talked about Jameis Winston and his penchant for turnovers on Favre’s show on Sirius XM NFL Radio.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Favre knows a thing or two about interceptions himself, as he holds the NFL record for the most career picks, with 336.

Favre said he related to Winston, who at times thinks his arm can make every throw.

“I think, with Jameis, there’s such a huge upside,” Favre said. “We don’t get to see him much but I think that there’s just a tremendous upside and you’re willing to try and work through that and I think that Bruce will do a wonderful job. He’s super productive, aside from the interceptions, and maybe it’s one of those things, I’m sure Bruce is scratching his head. He knows Jameis doesn’t mean to do it, he’s not doing it on purpose so he’s trying to find that happy medium.”

Favre continued.

“Bruce may say, ‘Ok, play-calling. Maybe call plays that are less likely to expose him to an interception,’ and that may sound crazy to the average fan. Like Mike Holmgren, if it was third-and 12, for example, and I’m in year two and he calls a play that has a three-layered route so you have a deep over, say 15-to-18 yards, and then you have a medium seven-yard [route] and then you have a little drag route underneath, I’m throwing the deep one. That was my mentality. My arm strength was a huge asset but it also hurt me. So Mike at some point… And that was a play that we ran, we called it X Deep Over and I was throwing it. You call it, I’m throwing it because I can do it and it would get me in trouble, sometimes it would work, so you don’t call that play. Call a play that restricts what gets him into trouble. I think Bruce is probably trying to find that but also be productive. You don’t want to take the ball out of his hands that much but you want to teach him patience and that sometimes it’s OK to not get a first down and that took me a long time to digest. So I think there’s ways to get around it to a certain extent without handcuffing your guy too much.”

Ex-Packers QB Brett Favre - Photo by: Getty Images
Ex-Packers QB Brett Favre – Photo by: Getty Images
Favre was asked by co-host Bruce Murray if Winston’s talent is enough to overcome his turnover problems.
“It comes down to the most important element of it all, are you winning?” Favre said. “Throwing five touchdowns and three picks or four picks and losing the game, that happening more and more frequent, at some point you have to cut your losses but if you’re winning and occasionally having a loss where you go, ‘had he not thrown that one we would have won,’ then you can deal with it.

“The ultimate goal is to get to the Super Bowl and if he can lead them there and still make some of these bad mistakes then you live with it. It really is pretty simple when you break it down.”

Mark Cook currently is the director of editorial content and Bucs beat writer and has written for PewterReport.com since 2011. Cook has followed the Buccaneers since 1977 when he first began watching football with his Dad and is fond of the 1979 Bucs team that came within 10 points of going to a Super Bowl. His favorite Bucs game is still the 1979 divisional playoff win 24-17 over the Eagles. In his spare time Cook enjoys playing guitar, fishing, surfing and family time at the beach. In addition, Cook can be found in front of a television or in Doak Campbell any time the FSU Seminoles are playing. Cook is a native of Pinecrest in Eastern Hillsborough County and has written for numerous publications including the Tampa Tribune, In the Field and Ya'll Magazine. Cook can be reached at [email protected]
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Bucnut2

Farve said it. It comes down to winning and Winston is a prolific loser.

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AlbJack65

No, Bucnut, the BUCS have been losers. Farve had solid running games and defenses. Winston has not. Players perform, TEAMS win or lose.

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Bucnut2

here’s the problem with your analogy. Turnovers are the number 1 determinant in wins and loses in NFL. Winston’s NFL leading TO’s play a big part in those losses. What no one talks about when they talk about the defense is how many times Winston puts the D in a horrible position. See 3 first possession int’s this year. Like Winston all you want but the fact is his TO’s have been a HUGE factor in our losing record.

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aStrayPirate

And here is the problem with your mentality – The whole point of this article is that if your team can overcome turnovers, you can live with them because of the upside he presents… like Favre and the Packers.
What we have seen the past 3 weeks is a team that is starting to do that and perform well on both sides of the ball.

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EricNV

The problem with your analysis is this: last year and the year before (and, I dare say, 2016) the Bucs would not have won Sunday’s game. Not a chance. The defense was no where near good enough to come up with that stop on 4th down in the 4th quarter. So, while Jameis could have very well had the same statistics last year and the year before, the difference is the defense.

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AlbJack65

Bucnut, if a pitcher gives up 1 homer per game on average, has a 3.00 ERA on the season, but has a 10-15 record because he gets very little run support, is he considered a loser? No, he’s considered a damn good pitcher with very little support.

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Bucnut2

ok. let’s use individual stats. He leads the ENTIRE NFL in TO’s over the last 5 years. How about that stat???

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AlbJack65

He’s also sitting at #2 in yards, tied for #2 in TD’s and #1 in passing first downs this year. All behind a pedestrian at best O line, below average running game, and until recently porous defense. You seem to take the 1 individual stat of turnovers and look at it in a vacuum. Yes, a he’s gunslinger, that is well known. But at what point in his Bucs career has he NOT felt like he needed to “make things happen” to win or even stay in a game?

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Bucnut2

If Winston were a BB pitcher and was giving ok 1 homer per game, his ERA woful be like 8. Fact it, this guy is a TO factory and those TO’s have been significant contributors to our loses.

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AlbJack65

Um, no, it doesn’t matter if they come from homers, singles for RBI, stealing home or whatever. ERA is computed by simply the average number of earned runs per nine innings.

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PriMech54

You do not use team statistics to evaluate individual talent or value in a team sport.

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bill_kir

Winston’s record in college and the pros is 53 – 41. Can’t really call him a prolific loser, or a loser at all since his record is over .500

Since he is the same QB as he was back at Florida State, the only thing that has changed is the talent level (relative to the opposing teams) around him. So, raise the talent level, raise the win total.

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EricNV

Favre had a very good defense for years who could bail him out of trouble. Jameis has had the burden of carrying the team on his shoulders over his 4.8 years in the league. He hasn’t had a good defense until the past 5 games. The question now is, given the defense continues to progress well, do we begin seeing a trend over the last 3 games where the INTs begin to go down since its no longer all on his shoulders or does he get more dangerous with the ball in his hands because he’s finally got a defense… Read more »

AlbJack65

Spot on. My points exactly. It may realistically take a few more games, maybe even halfway into next year before Winston fully develops that trust. I’m a little concerned about the thumb injury. Does He throw 1 or 2 interceptions against the Lions? Quite possibly. Does he light them up for 400 yards and 3-4 TD’s? Just as likely.

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EastEndBoy

I love what Farve said about game planning around his strengths and weaknesses….for Winston, that seems to be left in the hands of Leftwich at the moment, and I wonder if that could be done better.

That, and fix this OLine for crying out loud!

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EricNV

Exactly right! Not only call plays to Jameis’s strengths, but also try deferring on coin tosses until he gets that INT on his first throws out of his system.

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GrafikDetail

“…you have a deep over, say 15-to-18 yards, and then you have a medium seven-yard [route] and then you have a little drag route underneath, I’m throwing the deep one.” LOL that’s Winston all day but Favre was such fun to watch play… love winston but his turnovers sometimes just seem like bone-head moves and it’s more frustrating than fun… but that colts game was fun to watch

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twspin

Jameis is a Gunslinger and a..Cardiac Kid.. HE’s gonna throw interceptions. That’s who he is..Period. But he’s gonna win some of those shootouts at the OK corral for you. Our mindset should be building a great Defense to support him. That is..IF..we are gonna keep him.

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BUC 727

I think that we should hire BF as our QB coach.

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CrackerBall

Yes… I can see why Brett Favre would say that. Jameis Winston is generally compared with Favre (because of
all the turnovers). Statistically, they do seem very similar – except without all the wins.

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fredster

I think Bucnut2 is Suck-ass-Bob.

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Bucnut2

sorry fredster. I’m not. Let me ask you a question? Why do you feel the need to personally insult people?

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Spitfire

100%

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Pete

Yeah I remember the Bucs in the Central Division losing to to Green Bay alot. That was until Dungy. Let’s just say the Bucs move on from Winston and Bucs struggle at QB. Maybe Winston lands in Vegas and gets to the playoffs. Then what? Fire Licht? Ba? Rebuild? I’ve been a fan along time and Bucs have never had a qb worth talking about. Can’t really talk about Steve Young or even Doug William’s cause the Culverhouse era wouldn’t pay. All I’m saying is if this ownership can pony up then Winston needs to stay. The South isnt a… Read more »

plopes808

Valid points, the NFC South has been following the same pattern. Get a good QB and powerful offense, get a defense, make the playoffs. In our division we’ve already seen the decline of Cam and Ryan, also Brees somewhat so.

We have the offense and QB and our defense is coming into it’s own now so it’s only a matter of time before we take over.

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Allanh1

Perfectly said plopes, I was just telling my wife today how in the late 90s and early 2000s we had a suffocating defense and no offense. RayJay sucked to play in if you didn’t wear red and pewter. Now, we see a big change- we have a high scoring offense capable of going toe to toe with anyone but waiting for the D to gel. Like you said, only a matter of time.

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plopes808

I agree with Favre’s assessment, now that Jameis has a defense to back him up we are seeing the wins coming.

For all the “fire Jameis” crowd I’ll pose this question. Which FA or draft pick would you choose to step in and replace Winston? I hear a lot of people calling for the man’s job but have yet to hear a valid argument for a better option. Dalton? Eli? A rookie QB behind our porous oline with not much run support? Give me a break

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Bucnut2

I agree. I don’t like Winston because in my opinion, no matter how good the defense, we will never beat GOOD teams, on a consistent basis with him at QB. Think about how many times people on this site post about whether or not we will see good or bad Winston. Having said that, there is only 1 QB i want in free agency and that’s Bridgwater. He’s an accurate winner. Barring that, I say we franchise tag him for possibly 2020 and 2021 and begin drafting QB’s. If we can sign him for a lost cost, $12 per year… Read more »

EricNV

GB with Favre had a good run game + very good defense. TB with Jameis, until the past 5 games, has had a weak run game and no defense.

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EricNV

“If we can sign him for a lost cost, $12 per year deal with a 3 year guarantee,…” If I was Jameis Winston and Jason Licht brought that deal in front of me, I’d tell Licht to go screw himself because I could easily get more money as a FA due to my upside. They either need to franchise him or sign him to a shorter long-term contract, like they did with D. Smith, where everything is front loaded and the Bucs can cut him after 2-3 years with no cap hit. Would Teddy Bridgewater be a good acquisition in… Read more »

AlbJack65

I like the idea of a 3 year deal at $69 million, $46 million guaranteed. Give both the team and Winston the option to decline the 3rd year and either he walks and they let him or the results have warranted a big money long term deal. $23 mil per year is good for both sides to start with.

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plopes808

I could get on board with Teddy, unfortunately though I can’t see NO letting him go with Brees finally starting to succumb to father time.

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BUC 727

Bucnut2, the best ability is availability. Bridgewater, like his name, is a bridge over troubled water. Jameis, like Farve, is a MAN, that can play through pain.
The Bucs are lucky to have a QB that can play through pain, through mistakes, through any adversity, to keep his team in every game. You need to understand that wins and losses are not dependent one man. It is a team sport.

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bucballer

Jameis ain’t going anywhere! He’s going to make bank. Whether it’s on a one year or a multi year, he’s getting paid and by the Bucs! As a result he will be surrounded by some different players, maybe lesser talented as well due to salary cap and only so many dollars to go around. This offseason will either make or break Licht as we see what he does with Jameis. The rest will fall into line when that max contract is done. Go Bucs!

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EricNV

The Bucs are in pretty decent shape cap-wise this coming off season, and there are always new players around every season.

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Spitfire

We are at decision time with Winston but the entire time he’s been here he has had no Defense and no Oline, no QB would have lot things up during his time here, yet he’s set records for TDS and yards. If our Defense continues to gain experience and improve and we solidify the Oline, the constant sense of dread for Winston would go away and more than likely the positives would probably even improve and the negatives would settle down. Only Veteran QBs who had success by being in an environment to thrive could have some success on a… Read more »

BigSombrero

I like hearing Farve’s thoughts on Jameis. “Can he take your team to a Superbowl?” That’s really the only question. Did Farve have better players around him to get to a Superbowl and win? He did in some areas, but he primarily acknowledges the coaching of Holmgren. BA has only had Winston for 13 games. Can Winston throw less INT’s while still putting up huge numbers? I think Bruce takes at least another year or two to figure that out. In the next draft, I bet he gets him a new RT and a stud at RB. If they sign… Read more »

Dbuc63

Farve said it best: “It comes down to the most important element of it all, are you winning?”. “Throwing five touchdowns and three picks or four picks and losing the game, that happening more and more frequent, at some point you have to cut your losses but if you’re winning and occasionally having a loss where you go, ‘had he not thrown that one we would have won,’ then you can deal with it. Winston probably will improve some but you need to be careful because if he changes to much it can work against him. In the end he… Read more »