The PewterReport.com Roundtable features the opinions of the PR staff as it tackles a topic each week that involves the Bucs.

This week’s topic: Is Bucs QB Winston Still Salvageable?

Scott Reynolds: One More Disastrous Game And Winston Is Done

You heard Bucs head coach Bruce Arians on Monday when he was asked about whether or not Sunday’s six-turnover game from Jameis Winston changed his opinion of Tampa Bay’s beleaguered quarterback: “If it happens again, yeah, it’ll concern the hell out of me.” That is a warning to Winston, that despite being five games into Arians’ system and tutelage, having a hand in six turnovers in an 11-point loss to Carolina on Sunday will not be tolerated anymore. And it shouldn’t.

Despite being six games in to a new offense with new coaches, Winston is also five years into being an NFL quarterback. He should know by now not to take sacks. He should know by now to throw the ball away to avoid sacks, sack-fumbles or interceptions. Like Arians said in his Monday press conference, “incompletions won’t get you beat.” And when Winston is throwing the ball away he should be careful in doing so, unlike when he threw a pick-six when trying to throw the ball away against San Francisco in a loss in the season opener.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston
Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

But instead of being a careful quarterback, Winston has been careless with 10 interceptions and a fumble through six games. That’s an average of nearly two turnovers per game, and that simply can’t continue. Lesser quarterbacks like Carolina’s Kyle Allen, New Orleans’ Teddy Bridgewater, San Francisco’s Jimmy Garoppolo and Indianapolis’ Jacoby Brissett are far more careful with the football and their teams have winning records to show for it as a result.

So when I say that one more disastrous game and Winston is done, I don’t mean that he’ll be benched in favor of Ryan Griffin this season. I mean he’s done, as in finished in Tampa Bay as the team’s quarterback. That means no big contract extension and no franchise tag for Winston next year if that occurs. What does another disastrous game for Winston look like by definition? It’s a game with three or more Winston turnovers, or perhaps a game in which he throws a couple of picks and no touchdowns, and he’s the clear culprit of yet another Buccaneers loss.

With a 2-4 record, time is running out on Tampa Bay’s 2019 season, and Winston’s future with the Bucs. Winston and the Bucs would have to finish the year 6-4 just to end up with a .500 record. Do you see that happening? In order for six wins or more to occur, Winston would have to stop playing Superman, throw the ball away and be more careful with the ball, and be far less careless with it. And if I’m being honest, if Winston hasn’t grasped that five years into his NFL career – and six games into the Arians era – I don’t think he will, unfortunately. There’s another disastrous game on the way before this season is through.

Mark Cook: There’s Plenty To Be Concerned About, But Winston Is Definitely Salvageable

Tampa Bay’s 37-26 loss to Carolina in London was ugly. There is no way to sugarcoat it. But to throw in the towel on quarterback Jameis Winston after six games, playing in a new offense with a new coaching staff and missing the right side of the Bucs offensive line isn’t anything head coach Bruce Arians is going to do. That is ludicrous.

Looking back at Winston’s six turnovers, some were really bad. None more than the fumble lost inside Panthers’ territory with the Bucs still in the game in the first half. But on Winston’s first interception, Arians said wide receiver Mike Evans needed to come back for the ball and didn’t correctly run the route. Two of Winston’s interceptions came as a result of being hit as he was throwing the ball, and the last one to Evans with seconds left was just a lack of effort on Evans part. It was man coverage and Evans should win that match-up at least half the time – if not more. At the very least Evans needs to play defender and break up the pass. Winston 100 percent made the right read on that play.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston
Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Roger McQueen/PR

Yes, I am aware that Winston isn’t a rookie. And yes, I’m aware of some other really bad games from Winston. His four-interception rookie debut against Tennessee comes to mind, as does his four-turnover disaster in Cincinnati last year that got Winston benched for a stretch. But how quickly fans forget the 55-40 win at Los Angeles earlier this year. Or the stretch of games this season that saw Winston throw 10 touchdowns to only two interceptions. It isn’t like Winston doesn’t have the ability to play good, winning football.

The turnovers are frustrating, and have plagued Winston since his final year at Florida State. Maybe this is who Winston is, but that doesn’t mean that the Bucs can’t win with him. Now teams won’t ever win a game when its quarterback turns the ball over six times, but the four losses this season can’t be blamed completely on the quarterback.

There’s no doubt that it is getting harder and harder to defend Winston and his incredible turnover rate since entering the league in 2015. But put a decent defense around him, give him some more games in the new system and perhaps we won’t see Winston feeling like he must be Superman every game in order for the team to win. Winston has been conditioned to feel the need to put the team on his back based on the porous defense that he has had nearly his whole time in Tampa Bay.

Can he snap out of that mentality and cut down on the turnovers? Arians believes he can, and only time will tell, but don’t throw the baby out with the bath water after just six games. No way, no how. Let’s see how the rest of the season plays out over the coming 10 weeks before passing a final judgment on Winston.

Trevor Sikkema: Of Course, But How Much Is That Worth?

It’s funny that we’re asking this question, isn’t it? Since we didn’t exactly learn anything new from Tampa Bay’s 37-26 loss to Carolina. Last Sunday’s turnover-fest from Jameis Winston wasn’t the first from him in his career, it was just the latest. Sure, people were disappointed in Winston’s performance, but shocked? As if they couldn’t believe this could happen? The only one in the world who seemed to act like that was Bruce Arians.

Is Winston salvageable? Sure. I think the answer here is: of course he is. There are plenty of examples for this. You can point to some of Ben Roethlisberger’s bounce-back seasons, you can look at guys like Drew Brees being later bloomers into what became the prime of their careers in their late 20s and early 30s, and you can even look at Carson Palmer’s first six or seven games with Bruce Arians in Arizona compared to his next eight and see that there was a drastic improvement.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston
Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Getty Images

Is he salvageable? Yes. The real question is, how much is “salvageable” worth? Is it worth a long-term extension this offseason? Many would tell you no. Is it worth the franchise tag? That’s likely a fully guaranteed, one-year, $25 million deal for 2020. If Winston hasn’t become the guy Tampa Bay wants him to become in five years of play, even if he has a great year next year on the tag, are the Bucs really just going to blindly trust it as the new Winston and act like the past five years are gone for good? Unlikely.

All of that to say that yes, Winston is salvageable, and I think he has the head coach around him to do be salvaged. But the fact that we’re asking this question sort of makes you want to splash cold water on your face, slap yourself or whatever it is and just say, “How did we get here?”

Taylor Jenkins: Winston’s Ability To Be Salvaged Is Officially In Doubt

Jameis Winston has always had excuses from his supporters throughout his time in the NFL, all absolutely being valid to an extent. Whether it has been a bad defense forcing Winston to play the dreaded “Superman” role, or bad offensive line play, or a bad running game or a much-needed coaching change.

Even this season Winston had the benefit of the doubt in a new offensive system with Bruce Arians, the quarterback whisperer, in his corner. But this past Sunday’s six-turnover performance has put even the most fervent Winston supporters in doubt, and that has to include Arians to an extent.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston
Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Getty Images

Now it hasn’t been all bad, quite the opposite in fact. Over a two-week span Winston was one of the best quarterbacks in the NFL coming off back-to-back games against the Giants and Rams where he was nearly perfect, with the exception of a regrettable interception in each. He also had a pretty good game against the Panthers in Week 2, a less-than-stellar showing against the Saints in Week 5 and performances that gave Tampa Bay little to no chance of winning in Week 1 against San Francisco and Week 6 versus Carolina.

Therein lies the problem. Winston’s talent, his work ethic, his leadership, his football IQ have never been questioned by anyone whose opinion matters, but his inconsistency is downright self-destructive for someone who must be trusted to perform as a franchise quarterback.

This fifth-year quarterback is fantastic at his best, but he will actively lose Bucs games at his worst. He makes mistakes when his back is against the wall that are simply unacceptable for a potential franchise quarterback in his fifth year, and it has to put into question whether his play cannot only be consistent enough to expect playoff appearances, but consistent enough to rattle off three or four consecutive wins against premier competition once you get there.

I’m not saying Winston isn’t salvageable, but it’s looking less likely every time he goes out and plays like he did on Sunday. It’s been six weeks into the 2019 season, and after a much-needed bye week, the final 10 weeks that follow will be the ultimate proving ground for both Winston and Arians. Can Arians calm the storm that is Jameis Winston on a week-to-week basis? Can Winston learn to stay calm and avoid forcing his play, even when his back is to the wall and the moment is at its biggest? If not, there will be a very tough decision to make in the coming offseason. Or perhaps Winston will make that decision rather easy with his play – one way or the other.

Matt Matera: Winston Can Be Salvaged, But He Has To Get It Together Soon

Jameis Winston has 10 weeks remaining on the schedule to figure things out before the Bucs need to contemplate their next move after his contract expires. By Week 15 Winston will have played 14 games this season and we’ll have a better understanding of where he’s at. 

If he hasn’t gotten it together by then, he never will. If there’s any coach that can get to him, it’s Bruce Arians, and I don’t think enough time has gone by to determine that Winston has fully developed into this new offense just yet. Winston and the Bucs have only played six games this season, and they’re not yet at the halfway point. I believe there’s still time for Winston to be at the best in this system, a system that has worked for quarterbacks such as Andrew Luck, Ben Roethlisberger and Peyton Manning.

We just saw Winston’s worst performance of the year in London where he turned the ball over six times. But just two weeks prior, Winston had a performance that was so good against the Los Angeles Rams with 385 yards and four touchdowns that it won him NFC Offensive Player of the Week honors. It’s never been a question about the talent and whether he can make the throws, it’s been stringing together a good number of games consistently. And I think Arians can get him to that point with some adjustments. Winston studies the game hard, and he knows the mistakes he’s made can be corrected. 

Of course everyone likes to compare how Arians salvaged Carson Palmer out in Arizona. The NFL Research Department brought up the stats of Winston’s first year with Arians and compared it to the stats of Palmer in his first year in 2013, and the data shows that this is right around the time where quarterbacks turn the corner in Arians’ offense. 

According to the NFL Research Department, Palmer’s stats through the first seven weeks were a 3-4 record, 248.7 passing yards per game, 60.5 completion percentage, eight touchdowns and 13 interceptions. Palmer’s stretch over weeks 8-17 were much improved. He recorded a 7-2 record with 281.4 yards per game, 65.7 completion percentage, 16 touchdowns and nine interceptions. It’s a significant uptick in production. 

Bucs QB Jameis Winston
Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Between the first seven weeks, Winston has a 2-4 record with 295.2 yards per game, a 60 percent completion rate, 12 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. In other words, he has very similar stats to that of Palmer’s first seven weeks in this offense. What he’ll do in weeks 8-17 remains to be seen. 

As bad as his game was in London, Winston has a reputation of bouncing back in the following games after a bad performance, and we’ve seen that as early as this year. Up until the London game, I had him marked as at least deserving a franchise tag at the end of the season. The Bucs need to decide whether to do that, let him walk, or sign him to a long-term deal. 

Does one bad game completely negate any of the positives he’s had this season? It made a dent in that perception, but I don’t think it totally erases what he’s already done. One thing that’s certain, though, is that he doesn’t have anymore mulligans. Winston is on his last straw and by no means can he put up another clunker like he did across the pond. There’s still some time for him to turn the page, but the clock is ticking.

 

Scott Reynolds is in his 24th year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds spent six years giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his son's Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: [email protected]
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eaustinyoung
7 months ago

Whether he is or not we all know Licht is going to try. His draft picks are falling off little by little. Here’s a list of players not injured or weren’t waived from 4 years worth of draft picks:

2014 Draft: Mike Evans
2015 Draft: Winston, Donavan Smith, Marpet
2016 Draft: Hargreaves, Ryan Smith
2017 Draft: OJ Howard, Chris Godwin

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papi
7 months ago
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To the Jameis Winston Haters Who don’t know a damn thing about football. First 60 games of their NFL Careers: Jameis Winston- 61.4% Cmp% – 16,399yds – 7.7 Y/A – 100 TD – 68 INT – 60 Games Troy Aikman- 60.3% Cmp% – 11,650yds – 6.3 Y/A – 58 TD – 62 INT – 60 Games Brett Favre – 62.6 Cmp% – 14825yds – 6.9Y/A – 98 TD – 66 INT – 61 Games Tom Brady – 61.6% Cmp% – 13,925 – 6.9Y/A – 97 TD- 52 INT – 62 Games Where does the Tampa Bay Offense Rank in Scoring… Read more »

eaustinyoung
7 months ago
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My comment had nothing to do with this.

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twspin
7 months ago

Jameis might not get that long term deal. But he will get an extension from this team. They are gonna..ride him out just like they are doing Licht. Who by the way should have been fired along with Lovie Smith. All these draft picks over the countless losing years. You’d think we would have built a powerhouse with those picks. Not so. If the biggest coaching staff in the NFl can’t get it done then Who?

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stlbucsfan
7 months ago

Jameis has played like an average QB thus far factoring in his highs like the Rams game and lows like the most recent Panthers game. My issue is that the “QB whisperer” isn’t as hands as he needs to be. Everyone in the world knew we would attempt to force feed Evans after having no catches and what did we do on the FIRST play of the game, throw to Mike Evans lol. I get wanting to get Evans the ball by why not a screen play which is safer or wait until later in the drive to work him… Read more »

Horse
7 months ago
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Spot on!

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EricNV
7 months ago
Reply to  stlbucsfan

Licht was not going to draft Tunsil to play RT, especially when D Smith had just completed his rookie season at LT and Dotson was still in his prime. Vita Vea was drafted for his position and value at that position over Derwin James. Both are good players, but Vea is probably making a much bigger impact for this team on the DL than Derwin James would have had on this team playing in the secondary (Safety is our least concern in the secondary right now). OJ Howard should have been drafted in the top 10, and analysts were all… Read more »

stlbucsfan
7 months ago
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You draft Tunsil and let the best man win between both he and Dotson at RT. Dotson’s “prime” was never anything elite and he was in his 30s so it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that an upgrade was going to be needed sooner or later. OJ Howard was a luxury pick that we haven’t developed and this offense can’t seem to use. Not sure how you can say Derwin wasn’t needed when we just spent a 3rd round pick on a lesser safety that’s starting on a team that starter safeties off the street last year. Vita… Read more »

BigSombrero
7 months ago
Reply to  stlbucsfan

Derwin James is putting up a killer season this year.

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stlbucsfan
7 months ago
Reply to  BigSombrero

He has the same number of sacks as Vita

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BigSombrero
7 months ago
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Being #1 against the rush and stopping Mccaffery twice, Saquon Barkley, Alvin Kamara, Breida/Coleman, and Todd Gurley is what Vita Vea is paid to do.

Check. Mission accomplished.

Derwin James is injury prone and on IR. That guy is overrated.

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stlbucsfan
7 months ago
Reply to  BigSombrero

That stat is a function of the worst passing defense in the nfl for about 3 years straight. Teddy Bridgewater and Kyle Allen look like Kurt Warner reincarnated against us. Goff threw for 500 plus yards against us and was a few bad throws from even more yards. And then we got lucky against Cam and that bum shoulder. The titans will carve us up, Menshew will look great and the Falcons will look like the Super Bowl team and I’ll guarantee it. Career days through the air but then again I guess we can say at least they didn’t… Read more »

plopes808
7 months ago
Reply to  stlbucsfan

@stl The problem with your point about the stats is that it implies that these teams didn’t attempt to run the ball because throwing was the easier road. This clearly was NOT the case, especially against Carolina

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Sector2814
7 months ago
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@plopes808 you have to also remember that the Bucs run D was still an unknown commodity plus the Panthers knew that Cam was a shell of his former self so of course they were going to run the ball.

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Buc off
7 months ago
Reply to  stlbucsfan

Of all QB’s that have played for at least 4 years, Winston is statistically the worst to play the game in over two decades. I don’t see how you see that as average.

I guess if you zero in on yards or just TD you can come to that conclusion but not taken as a whole.

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FLBoy84
7 months ago
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We seem to often overlook the fact that Winston was basically in the same offensive system his first 4 years under Koetter as well. That consistency should have had a bigger impact. Not a Mariota fan, but believe the dude’s had a new offensive coordinator every year since he was drafted. Crazy that both were considered “can’t miss” prospects by many analysts. While not a fan of his off-field personality, after being a fan since ’76, was really hoping JW was the long-term answer as a franchise QB when he was drafted. Stopped listening to/reading any interviews of his about… Read more »

SenileSenior
7 months ago

In theory, yes, and in practice, no. There is a narrow possibility that he will be salvaged. Odds are that he won’t be. BA has a serious challenge to his reputation to deal with now as the “QB Whisperer”. I hope he never has to regret that he came out of retirement for this last challenge or last series of challenges. The main challenge is truly to find a way to turn the fortunes of the Franchise around with or without Winston. I make no predictions. I only hope as a fan for the best for Winston and the best… Read more »

pomer1eau
7 months ago

The fact that you are asking this question in his fifth year says all you need to know. He lacks consistency, being clutch, and awareness which are probably the most important traits for a good QB and he severely lacks in all. He has all the physical tools and football IQ in terms of reading a defense but the consistency doesn’t follow. When he shows improvement and seems like he’s starting to get on a roll, he collapses BIG time in one way or another. I’m done making excuses for him and I’m done getting excited when he strings a… Read more »

Allanh1
7 months ago

Winston’s career highlight reel can be done in a, I’d say, 4min video. I love the kid for his fire, but I think, internally, he cant be salvaged. A new offense cant be the reason why you keep throwing that many picks. It’s just his instincts at this point. I hope this isnt a Philip Rivers case where hes going to be around for the long haul and never get in the playoffs.

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FLBoy84
7 months ago
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Sadly his lowlight reel would probably take about 8…. 😉

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Allanh1
7 months ago
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Lol..20

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surferdudes
7 months ago

No he’s not salvageable. He processes information slowly. He is incapable of getting the ball out quickly because he has a slow delivery, and has to pat the ball before throwing. He still stares down receivers in his fifth year. Ever see him look off DB’s, or safeties? Me neither. Plus he has bad vision. I couldn’t help noticing him squinting to look up at the score board. He wears glasses, but insists he doesn’t need them to play football. One of Scott’s excuses is Cappa, and Dotson were missing. They weren’t missing during our last losses. Did anybody notice… Read more »

Captain Sly
7 months ago

Haha Trevor you are right about BA, He is the only one that is shocked that Winston thrown this many picks. How about you limit his mistakes by running the freakin ball coach. How about we come out in a heavy sets, line up and just run ball straight at them. Winston is burning you because you tried to get too cute with this junior OC you got running a scheme that a HS team can figure out and you don’t have the guts to admit that you made a mistake. The train can easily be put back on the… Read more »

Charlie
7 months ago

Scott hit the nail right on the head. He’s in his 5th year and he hasn’t shown any signs of becoming a stable franchise QB. Yeah you can compare Carson to Winston and that’s really cute you guys…but Carson Palmer didn’t have the concrete stats or concrete reputation of leading the league in turnovers for 4 years since he got into the league. The PR staff likes to claim Winston isn’t dumb…if you claim that he’s not doing what he’s being taught to do like discussed on the podcast…what else do you call that? Maybe being kind you can say… Read more »

bucballer
7 months ago

Jameis is the enigma that will continue to baffle bucfans! The potential issue has doomed a lot of good ball players. Jameis has trouble reading defenses, in fact I think he has genuine vision issues as many have stated. The inconsistency is mind boggling. In the Rams game we didn’t harp on how bad the Offensive line was. Jameis throws 4 tds and we win. All is well and optimistic. But after the losses we talk about how it’s the O-line, it’s the defense, it’s Vea, it’s Hargreaves, it’s Mike… the problem is Jameis! He is and will continue to… Read more »

Captain Sly
7 months ago
Reply to  bucballer

Bucballer, you’re just straddling the fence! Either Winston can Play or he can’t. Bringing $ into the equation is irrelevant for this season. Your comments about his vision issues and his inconsistency being mind boggling suggest that you believe he can’t play and that’s fine, but when you go into Winston taking less than starting QB money to continue as our QB sounds hypocritical.

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Horse
7 months ago

PR, you all have been smoking too much snowing bull sh_t from GM and Owners.
This will happen again after 2 interceptionsand, if they keep him in the game and we are behind.
Have we not had this same conversation with two past Head Coaches? Same GM, same Owners.
You all keep drinking the cool aid; I’m done with Winston.

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BrooklynBucsFan
7 months ago

Regarding Mark’s section, I don’t think it’s really judging him based on 6 games in a new system. His mistakes are the same ones from every other system he’s played in, turnovers based on poor decision making, that’s not tied to any system, that’s just who he is. I think it’s time to move on. Also, bear in mind, I’m an FSU fan for longer than the Bucs and I loved Winston and was ecstatic when we drafted him. I think that young QBs are having tremendous success as rookies or in their second year that it makes no sense… Read more »

a-bomb
7 months ago

The problem with this conversation is “salvageable” from or to what? Will Winston ever be Brees or Rogers- of course not- that was never his trajectory. If anyone is expecting him to become the model of consistency that is Brees or Brady, that is ridiculous. He is 2nd or 3rd tier QB who will occasionally give you 1st tier performance and occasionally give you journeyman performance. Ask yourself this: how many other QB’s would you rather have? That list probably ends around 10-12 or so. The organization will keep him on because they are not likely to be in a… Read more »

Horse
7 months ago
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That’s a very good point!

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Buc stops here
7 months ago

Unfortunately, I totally agree with Scott Reynolds this time, “There’s another disastrous game on the way before this season is through.” I believe the same thing. Winston’s record for “clean” games was set last year, when he played the last 7 games without a melt down. There are still 10 games to go. So unless he sets a new record of 10 games without a melt down, he is probably done in Tampa – only 10 weeks after Mariotta seems to be done in Tennessee.

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The Vicness
7 months ago

Salvageable? How about just make him serviceable? You can win with a QB who just doesn’t give the other team the game. Jameis will never be that, he has no desire to change that based upon his lack of progression. If you throw the ball away you live to fight another down. But Jameis being Jameis will continue to do whatever the hell he wants, because he cares more about being the superhero than doing what others think is right. Three head coaches and multiple offensive coordinators in 5 years…He kills coaches, period. Arians said if he sees this again… Read more »

Buc stops here
7 months ago
Reply to  The Vicness

I look at this as Arians doing his best to keep supporting his QB until beyond a doubt he cannot do it. I think everyone knows Winston is at the end of the line. There are 10 games left, and Winston has melted down at the longest between games at 7, the last 7 of last season where he did not melt down. This year he made it through 4 games between meltdowns (games 1 and 6). If he lasts 10 more without any more melt downs, he probably will get one more year. The thing is, no one on… Read more »

D-Rome
7 months ago

The best predictor of future performance is past performance. I’m not sure why anyone would believe things are going to change for Jameis. This off-season he was using the STRIVR virtual reality software to help improve his decision making and reading the defenses. It has not translated onto the field, and it never will. Jameis and Marcus Mariota will have very nice, very lucrative careers as NFL backups. That is what they are and there is no shame in that. I think it was Trevor Sikkema said this morning on WDAE is that Jameis cannot put together three or four… Read more »

BigSombrero
7 months ago
Reply to  D-Rome

Bill Belichick was fired after one day as the NY Jets head coach. He was also fired by Cleveland. Lowly laughingstock New England hired him after those dismissals.

Past performance does NOT guarantee future results.

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Buc stops here
7 months ago
Reply to  D-Rome

I would note the last 7 games of last season, he played fairly well. That is more than the 3 or 4 WDAE claim as his maximum. Unfortunately however, I do agree it seems unlikely he will make it the last 10 games of 2019 without a repeat performance. His record of clean play is at 7 games, and he is not showing signs of breaking it.

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Dave
7 months ago

Absolutely perfectly said Stlbucsfan. The second I heard that “I need to get Evans the ball more” comment by Jameis, I kneeewww what was coming. So if I knew what was coming, obviously the DC of the Panthers knew what was coming. JW was gonna force Evans the ball open or covered over and over and over again! Meanwhile Godwin continually roasted his DB play after play after play. He’s the only Buc that deserved 17 targets. If Evans got the ball ONLY when open, he should have seen, at best, 7 or 8 targets. Forcing the ball to any… Read more »

BUC-ASS-BOB
7 months ago
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Dave is the guy who wrote a page long article last year about how wrong I was about getting rid of Jameis Winston the Bust

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TheBaron70
7 months ago

This question is completely irrelevant. The question is this – Can Jameis Winston will a Superbowl? It’s that simple. I will answer it for you this quickly – No, he cannot, and he will not as a starter for any other team. You see, I want a Superbowl win. That should be the mentality. The league is a QB driven league and he can’t compete in it for 20 weeks consistently to get me a Superbowl win. That’s my answer and that’s why it’s time to move on. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

EricNV
7 months ago

Jameis has to take a long look at himself in the mirror and ask himself how much money he is willing to lose trying to be a superhero for this team. Batman got cut for a good reason. Jameis just needs to stop putting this team on his shoulders and force them to put him on their shoulders.

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Horse
7 months ago

That for sure is one of his many problems. I’m was still living in Tallahassee and his first Spring practices; nothing has changed. I thought he might under Arians, but nope it’s in Winstons DNA to do what he is doing. He really is uncoachable, he will always go back to what his instincts tells him to do. He is never going to grow up when it comes to his football mentality. He can still play football, but not as a starting quarterback. Just my opinion and I have been a Winston fan since drafting him. Three previous head coaches… Read more »

bucballer
7 months ago

Captain Sly it’s ALWAYS about the money! R u kidding me. All the QBs that make in excess of 21 mil have previous playoff experience. There’s no sitting on any fence. It’s called being a fan. I put my money where my mouth is by spending thousands of dollars on 30 years of season tickets! Jameis at a lower salary is easier to stomach than Jameis at 27-30 mil. Jameis is not worth 27-30 mil! The Bucs can’t continue to give max salaries to average players. See QB, Center, LT… u soon find yourself in cap hell… and that is… Read more »

bucballer
7 months ago

All starting QBs making over 20 million per year have playoff experience!

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Naplesfan
7 months ago

What you see – in four and a half years as a Buc, and his last year as a Nole – is precisely what we’ll ever get out of this guy. He is OK as a low paid backup to come in and give you a (maybe) 50-50 shot at winning one or a couple of games until the real QB heals up, or your season goes down the toilet .. whatever the case may be. There is no freaking way that Winston is worth what he’s being paid NOW on his fifth year option – and much more so… Read more »

BUC-ASS-BOB
7 months ago

In my survey with people I run into it’s 15 to one And there was a couple to three people told me they don’t even watch the Bucs anymore because of Jameis Winston.Outside of the holdovers from pewter he has no support

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Charlie
7 months ago

Only way he should get resigned is if it’s for less than $10 million. Cause that’s what he’s worth…and that’s being generous. Can spend the majority of our cap on such crappy play. Gotta sign Shaq, if JPP comes back and is anything like he was, resign him, maybe go after star CB, LT or maybe even DL since our pass rush is so weak. But it shouldn’t be spent on Jameis Winston!

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buddah
7 months ago

I can think of only one example of a qb who didn’t mature until late in his fifth season, Terry Bradshaw. I was living in Pittsburgh at the time. Bradshaw never has more touchdowns than interceptions until his 6th year in the league. Of course it was a different game then, but it is worth mentioning. He was benched three or four times in the first five years and never had a season where he completed more than 57% of his passes. There are many differences, of course, but I recall how many fans had given up on him. At… Read more »

Bucsfan1983
7 months ago

Yes

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captain ahab
7 months ago

I believe the Bucs O’line leads the league in giving up the most sacks so far this season tied with the Titans at 25. I would think it would be very difficult to find success Without proper protection regardless of who the QB is.

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scot pederson
7 months ago

So Evans should have come back for the ball on the 1st throw. But what this ignores is that he just wasn’t open at all and the best scenario on coming back for the ball was an incompletion but also a 50/50 shot the ball bounces in the air and the 2 panther defenders having a good shot at a tipped ball pick. The excuses really have to stop. But Head Coaches do play the good cop/bad cop so as to not bring too much criticism on their players so what they do is spread the criticism around to other… Read more »

Bob Will
7 months ago

I don’t believe Winston will ever make it and I will tell you why. Many times throughout this article and many of the comments they say Winston has the tools and the IQ and yet can not be consistent. I disagree with the football IQ, I don’t believe Winston can read defenses nearly fast enough. Let me tell you why, three of the top quarterbacks in the league, Brady, Breeze, and Rogers have a average release of less then 2 seconds. They achieve this by reading the defenses as they react to motion at the line and in the majority… Read more »

BucRy
7 months ago

Just give it up, the guy should be done here in Tampa. I have 0 faith that Winston will turn it around here in Tampa. Maybe somewhere else in the future but I will not take another year of jameis after this season

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jshumaker
7 months ago

nope and the top qb’s will be taken by miami and cincinatti. so we are officially screwed

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Pit of misery
7 months ago

NO!!!!!!!!

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bucballer
7 months ago

Hey Captain. Point taken. So r u saying that the game Winston threw 4 touchdowns… those four touchdowns were not a result of the offensive line blocking long enough for Winston to deliver the TD, but rather Winston’s pure superior athletic ability?

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knucknbuc
7 months ago

evans should of knocked the ball down??? maybe hes tired of being a part time cornerback for jameiss lack of accuracy

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jrwilson85
7 months ago

I don’t need to read Pewter Report’s rehash of “War and Peace” to know the answer to that one.

Jameis keeps doing the same things and expects different outcomes. This means he is either crazy or incapable of learning through his mistakes. I don’t think he will change. He has to be the star and he refuses to think of the team. The good Qbs in the NFL play the percentages rather than throwing up “Hope to God” shots.

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fredster
7 months ago

Really thought we would get At least an average defense and average O line play this year. Then we could say finally after 16 games can he be the guy. I knew o line was thin and Dor was declining. I said in Pretoria season this season will ride on a o line not Winston. Still think that’s the case. If he still floundered with decent o line and defense it would be easy to say he needs to go. Unfortunately it’s been a shit show. That was the most duress I’ve seen a QB under in long time in… Read more »

thegeebo
7 months ago

As always, my boy Trevor gets it. It doesn’t matter at this point. Bottom line is that he is not worth big money. This team needs more talent and more development in most areas, especially the trenches. Unless we suddenly have a top 5 QB, this team isn’t going to win big. And guess what? Winston will never be a top 5 QB. Even if he cracks the top 10, he won’t be enough with this team, and it’s unlikely he will. He is likely to remain an average QB, sitting somewhere between 10 and 20. Sure, he has top… Read more »

Lamb Chop
7 months ago

The real question is what are we salvaging? Mediocrity and inconsistency? No thanks. Jameis has had opportunities but he simply can’t even correct the simple things like getting rid of the ball. Game over. Dirk and BA have drilled into him this simple fact: you can single-handedly put your team behind the 8-ball.

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Dave
7 months ago

Someone did bring up a good point. The only non Jameis related blame I can give is that this is easily the worst line protecting Jameis since he’s been in the league. I mean the sacks, QB hits, and QB hurries are at a ridiculous rate right now. The very few games where Jameis was protected( Rams, Panthers 1st game) Jameis protected the ball and played great and we won. But just listen to this friggen stat. Jameis is on pace for a 16 game total of 67 sacks and 136 QB hits. That’s absolutely friggen absurd. I know he… Read more »

Spitfire
7 months ago

As bad as the Interceptions look, with Cappa and Dotson out of the game Winston didn’t stand a chance back there. Every snap my Heart started racing seeing how quickly the pocket collapsed. I mean 2 backup lineman even fooled McCoy into thinking he actually was good enough to get those sacks. The problem is Winston is just as capable of throwing a record breaking game as he is a miserable game and so much of it has to do with Oline play. It is intriguing to think about the possibilities of drafting a QB this year and one of… Read more »

matador
7 months ago

The last five years of tape says no. How many of today’s true franchise QBs took six years for the light to go on? Let’s make a list…

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Snook
7 months ago

Who in their sane mind thinks he’s still salvageable? Really?!?!? Winston has the mind for football but he lacks the decision making ability. CLEARLY. He’s even shown this off the field as well. Its time to move on. I’ve heard every excuse in the book for Winston. Offensive line, running game, defense, blah blah blah blah… None of it matters. The one thing that is consistent here is Winston and he’s just not that good. Sure, he’ll have an amazing game here and there but who actually TRUSTS this guy? Long time Seminole here too. I defended Winston for a… Read more »