The PewterReport.com Roundtable features the opinions of the PR staff as it tackles a topic related to the Tampa Bay Bucs each week.

This week’s topic: Who Should Be The Bucs’ QB This Week?

Scott Reynolds: Close Out The Season With Winston
I don’t blame Bucs head coach Dirk Koetter for sticking with Ryan Fitzpatrick. Overall this season, he’s played better than Jameis Winston. Fitzpatrick has got a higher completion percentage – 67.1 percent to 64.9 percent. He’s thrown for more yards – 2,199 to 1,181. He’s averaging more passing yards per game – 304.3 to 280.3. He’s got a better TD:INT ratio – 17:9 to 6:10. He also gets sacked less often and has a higher QB rating – 107.3 to 74.7.

Koetter wants to keep his job and feels Fitzpatrick is the best guy to make that happen. I was on board with that strategy until Sunday’s loss at Washington when Fitz had zero touchdowns and committed three turnovers, just like I was on board with the strategy to play Winston until his four-interception debacle at Cincinnati. Koetter made the right move to go with Winston after the Chicago game. He also made the right move to go back to Fitzpatrick after the Cincinnati game.

But he’s making the wrong move right now. At 3-6, Tampa Bay’s chances of making the playoffs this year are slim to none. A win against Washington, which would have happened if not for some dreadful missed field goals and awful play in the red zone, would have gotten the Bucs to 4-5 with winnable games coming up against the Giants and the 49ers. A 6-5 record was not out of the question. Now, the best the Bucs can do is 5-6 heading into three NFC South games against better teams, along with tough road games at Baltimore and Dallas.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston and head coach Dirk Koetter - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Bucs QB Jameis Winston and head coach Dirk Koetter – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Can you say 6-10 or 7-9? I think the Glazers need to see if Koetter can salvage this season and get to 8-8. If that happens they could buy into the argument that it was a tough year, especially defensively, but they won three more games than the previous year while playing in the toughest division in football. I just don’t think Fitzpatrick can get this team to five more wins to make that happen – not with a defense that can’t take the ball away.

So when does Koetter finally wave the white flag and go back to Winston – when the Bucs are 4-9 or 5-8? Great, then the Glazers will only have three more games to evaluate Winston before moving ahead with a $20.92 million fifth year option payout. Because ultimately it’s their call. Koetter and G.M. Jason Licht might not be around. That doesn’t help the Buccaneers in 2019 and beyond regardless of which general manager and head coach is in place.

I’m at the point where the Bucs should let Winston’s play over the seven games of the season determine his fate in Tampa Bay. Three or four games is too small of a sample size, especially playing against some of the elite teams coming up like New Orleans and Carolina. Winston showed he could barely beat the Browns in overtime. I would like to see how he would fare against the likes of the Giants and the 49ers in addition to the upcoming juggernauts.

Koetter will eventually go back to Winston later this season – but only when it’s too late for Koetter to keep his job and too late to truly give Winston a bigger window of opportunity to show improvement. That kind of “too late mentality” has been happening too often this season in Tampa Bay. Mike Smith should have been fired during the bye week. Chandler Catanzaro should have been replaced with Cairo Santos weeks ago, etc.

Mark Cook: What In The Hell Is This Team Thinking? Winston, Duh
A season that has gone off the rails got even crazier this past Monday when Dirk Koetter said Ryan Fitzpatrick would start against the Giants. Say what?

So he is saying that he and the Bucs are completely done with Jameis Winston? It appears as if Koetter is. Because why else would you not ride with Winston the last seven games? If you aren’t done with him, and think there is even a small chance he is the future moving forward, to do anything but play Winston is just an awful decision.

So Koetter thinks this team is going to go on a seven-game winning streak and make the playoffs? Yeah, and I will be waiting for my Pulitzer Prize award to show up any day now, too.

There has to be more to this that Koetter just going with Fitzpatrick. There has to be some sort of rift between the two. There is no way Koetter and this organization thinks that Fitzpatrick is the future of this team, or that all of a sudden, after 14 years in the NFL, that  it has clicked for Fitzpatrick. It certainly didn’t click last Sunday against Washington.

Bucs QB Ryan Fitzpatrick – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Bucs QB Ryan Fitzpatrick – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

And wasn’t Winston benched for too many turnovers? Don’t look now but Fitzpatrick has had five in the last two games, including a deflating interception on the Bucs’ first drive. And while we are on the subject of bad decisions, why is this team designing a play for Shaun Wilson, an undrafted free agent running back, when you have players like Mike Evans, O.J. Howard, DeSean Jackson, Cam Brate, Chris Godwin and even Adam Humphries on this team? Mind blowing, really.

The Bucs’ ship is quickly sinking, and it looks like a lot of people will be going down with it. Once again, a promising season has evaporated to the point where we are already looking at where the Bucs will be drafting next April.

Perhaps in a few months we will know more about this quarterback mess and maybe Koetter had some legitimate reasons for sticking with Fitzpatrick. Not all is what it appears on the surface sometimes. Just look at the Greg Schiano and Josh Freeman debacle. There was a lot going on behind the scenes there. Or maybe this is just a case of Koetter holding on to the glimmer of hope. It doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, but that is why I am sitting in the media room writing and speculating about it instead of sitting upstairs making personnel decisions.

Say what you want about the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, at least it is never boring being a Bucs fan or covering this team. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming of As The World Turns …

Trevor Sikkema: Gotta Be Winston
When Dirk Koetter made the decision to make Ryan Fitzpatrick the starter in Carolina, I thought it was the right choice. Heck, I even thought it was the right choice sticking with him after that loss and saying he was the guy for the Washington game, too. But with this team all but mathematically eliminated from the playoffs now at 3-6, it’s time to put Jameis Winston back in.

Perhaps they are waiting to officially be out of playoff contention to make the move back to Winston, but it’s just wasting time until then. Starting Fitzpatrick made sense because they had to see if the magic that got them to 2-0 was still there. They had to see if the only guy to overcome the defense for the Bucs could do it again when Koetter desperately needed him to most at 3-4. He couldn’t, and they’re now 3-6.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Even if they were 4-5 this might be a little different, but they’re not. It is time for Winston again. I understand that Koetter is doing what he thinks is best to get a win this Sunday in New York, but man, this really is the eye-opener that he knows he won’t be back if they don’t go on a big run here. Not starting Winston, at this point, is being as short-sighted as you can be. And he better hope it works – I suppose there’s always at least a little hope that it does.

I’m not sure what happens after this week. If they lose to the Giants, I expect Winston to go back in, but I thought that about this week, too. Will the Glazers and Jason Licht have to step in at some point if Koetter doesn’t go back to Winston soon here? I mean, they have a lot of uncertain money ($20.92 million) riding on Winston. Fitzpatrick means nothing to them long-term. And what if they beat the Giants? Is it another week lost in the long run? There are a lot of factors here.

It’s not going to be Winston this week, but it should be. What another weird, mishandled year this has turned out to be.

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About the Author: Scott Reynolds

Scott Reynolds is in his 27th year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds spent six years giving back to the community as the defensive coordinator/defensive line coach for his sons' Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: [email protected]
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Buc stops here
Buc stops here
3 years ago

This is why the writers are not the coach. “At 3-6, Tampa Bay’s chances of making the playoffs this year are slim to none” says it all. There is a slim chance the system can be saved. It is not none…. yet. If they beat the Giants and the 49ers then it will be up to them to match up to the NFC South. If you put in Winston now, you give up on that slim chance. That is what Koetter is doing. You cannot crucify him for trying to make the playoffs still. Is it a pipe dream? Maybe.… Read more »

Pete
Pete
Reply to  Buc stops here
3 years ago

I agree with you. I don’t agree with Koetter, but I think you’re right, from the coach’s standpoint.

I also think Jameis give the Bucs a better chance to win than Fitz. Fitz reminds me a lot of Steve DeBerg. Good in flashes, but reliable when it comes to turnovers.

I think Koetter’s decision speaks more to his lack of faith in Jameis than it does having faith in Fitz. If you design an offense that throws 50 times a game, you better have someone who takes care of the ball. Neither of Koetter’s options do that.

scubog
scubog
Reply to  Pete
3 years ago

Reminds me of DeBerg too. “good enough to get you beat”

Naplesfan
Naplesfan
Reply to  Buc stops here
3 years ago

Don’t worry about popularity. The proportion of Winston fanboys on this side is far larger than their proportion of all Bucs fans, so if they downvote sensible posts that don’t demand Winston start every game, don’t lose any sleep over it. The best thing the Bucs can do now is to keep working on the defense, which played marginally better last Sunday, albeit against a weak Washington offense (still held them to fewer than their average 20+ PPG), AND to stop turning the ball over. The turnover differential is the biggest weakness of this team, and when we put it… Read more »

Freeman Strickland
Freeman Strickland
Reply to  Naplesfan
3 years ago

It should have been Moncken calling plays for Fitzpatrick. Try that this week. If it fails, the season is done. For the rest of the season, put in Winston for the first half of each game and Griffin or some other candidate in or the second half of each game.

FartMan
FartMan
3 years ago

maybe… they aren’t playing Winston… because they’ve already gave up on him and don’t want to pay him if he gets hurt.

Devasher
Devasher
Reply to  FartMan
3 years ago

I remember back to when Scott speculated that if Winston lied to ownership and the front office about the Uber incident he would’ve been cut but it’s pretty clear that ownership cooled on him immediately. Winston was taken off the billboards, he was a 2nd stringer in training camp and preseason and they waited until Fitz cooled before reinserting him. Winston also had a history of lying to Florida State officials about yelling the meme in the student union which got his half game bumped up to a full game suspension against Clemson. It’s very likely Winston wasn’t truthful to… Read more »

JustaBuc
JustaBuc
3 years ago

Yup, gotta be Winston. You get basically nothing for keeping Fitz. Don’t me with all this “we’re due 20 mil if Winston gets hurt” cr*p! Only people that care about that are those who are going to cut Winston anyway.

We need to see if this year has been a fluke from Winston or not. It’s worth the risk no doubt.

FLBoy84
FLBoy84
Reply to  JustaBuc
3 years ago

The other people that care about that are the people that are actually on the hook for “paying” Winston that $20.922M to sit the bench in 2019 if he gets seriously hurt. The Bucs only have $14M in cap space right now (which ranks 28th) for next year, though obviously there are moves that will be made to free up more. A bit misguided though to think that $20.922M doesn’t factor into the decision-making processes that are happening in One Buc.

cgmaster27
cgmaster27
3 years ago

There has to be something behind the scenes between koetter and winston as there is no other reason to play fitz. Dont give me the better numbers stuff as just about all of his stats are front he first three games. his last 4 hes 0-4 with 7tds and 8 picks and a fumble. So why stick with him? Hes not the future. Koetter just doing dumb koetter things. And mp I dont think this about the money due. If it was as hed be inactive.

Naplesfan
Naplesfan
Reply to  cgmaster27
3 years ago

Winston isn’t the future .. he’s the past error.

cgmaster27
cgmaster27
Reply to  Naplesfan
3 years ago

Why respond when I dont care what you have to say fitz fanboy?

Naplesfan
Naplesfan
Reply to  cgmaster27
3 years ago

I could not give a rats ass about Fitz, dudette.

I just want the Bucs to be successful. The Winston fanboys care more about feeding his ego than the Bucs winning games. It’s been that way continuously since the pre-2015 draft.

JC5100
JC5100
3 years ago

Stroud said it on your own podcast. Winston plays QB with a sense of entitlement. Sit him down and make him somewhat humble. He’s the one that got himself suspended and threw the Bengal game away.

Naplesfan
Naplesfan
3 years ago

Wrongo, wrongo, wrongo, cubed.

Winston is a bust, get over it. His 2019 salary of $21M is guaranteed only if he get injured, which is a highly likely outcome of playing him, or even having him dress out and practice.

Fitz is the better quarterback, and if he is not the “quarterback of the future”, neither is Winston.

Inactivate Winston now, before we get stuck with a huge bill and a salary cap killer for a mediocre quarterback.

That is the only sane approach in an other wise not very sane season this year.

cgmaster27
cgmaster27
Reply to  Naplesfan
3 years ago

I’ll be right back here waiting your excuses when fitz turns it over 2 more times this week. He is NOT the better qb, never has been. Hes been doing what you anti winston fans have been complaining about for 13 years! But I guess that’s ok in your eyes.

juju1242
juju1242
Reply to  cgmaster27
3 years ago

cgmaster27 your living a pipe dream!!! Dude, Look at the turnover ratio with Fitz and Winston and in the fumbles… compare the completion percentage and the QBR… The numbers do not LIE !!!!!! Fitz is not the future or this team and I don’t believe Winston is either!!! Hit the freaking reset button once again!!!!! This organization hasn’t’ gotten it right in years with a QB or a freaking kicker!!!! So for you to sit here and say Fitz is not the better Qb look at the numbers this year and get your facts straight!!! Quit trying to protect Winston!!!!

cgmaster27
cgmaster27
Reply to  juju1242
3 years ago

I’m not living in a pipe dream, you are. People like you would rather start a 35 year old who wont even be here next year. And as for your precious facts, guess who is the worst rated QB in the NFL in the redzone? Your precious fitztragic. Fitztragic is 0-4 in his last 4 starts with 9 turnovers, but you’re right, hes awsome. Get your head out of your backside and stop pretending fitz is anything but a 35 year old journeyman you get nothing from playing.

Buc stops here
Buc stops here
Reply to  cgmaster27
3 years ago

Right. And in the last 10 quarters of play, Winston has – gasp – 10 interceptions (not including his four fumbles, including those two turnovers like you did with Fitzpatrick’s 9 turnovers (he only had 8 INTs in four games). That is twice as… bad.

You have a choice between bad (Fitz) and incompetent (Winston). You go with bad in that situation, not incompetent like you are trying hard to do.

Naplesfan
Naplesfan
Reply to  cgmaster27
3 years ago

Fitz could turn it over 25 times a game, but Winston would double that, as he has all season. Again, I don’t give a rats ass about Fitz. He is obviously not the so-called “quarterback of the future”, which quarterback does not exist at this point in time until we draft or sign a much better one than either Fitz or Winston.. But as for the present, Fitz is still a better quarterback than Winston. And, putting the world in proper persective, the Bucs did not give up a once in a generation no. 1 overall draft pick to get… Read more »

e
e
3 years ago

The season is done. Play Winston because the more tape to evaluate at the end of the season, the better. Give the new president of the the club as much information (Naples not withstanding) and let him decide the fate of all of this team’s components. Fitz is the past. He will not be here next year. Naples has zero logic to his argument.

NittanyBuc
NittanyBuc
Reply to  e
3 years ago

This is Winston’s 4th season. I’m not sure how much more evaluation is necessary. His main knocks coming out of FSU were all in regards his mental approach to the game (i.e. forcing throws, decision making, etc.) and he has yet to improve in that area. If he has yet to improve there up until this point in his career, there is little reason to believe that he will in the future.

And that is all aside from his off the field issues.

e
e
Reply to  NittanyBuc
3 years ago

QB efficiency is a stat that involves a lot more than just a QB. Has Winston screwed up lately? Yes. Has the team gone to shit? Yes. Has the coaching fallen off a cliff? Yes. Do you really think that Mahomes would have his same numbers on this team? Ha ha! The fact of the matter is that when Jameis was on, he was the best QB I’ve ever seen in a Bucs uniform in 40 years. Everyone knows that Tampa is a QB graveyard… Instead of doing the typical Tampa knee-jerk, let the future leader of this franchise make… Read more »

NittanyBuc
NittanyBuc
Reply to  e
3 years ago

Is it blind hatred by one side or blind optimism by the other?

cgmaster27
cgmaster27
Reply to  NittanyBuc
3 years ago

Well let’s see. Half the people in here NEVER wanted Jameis on the team, let alone succeed. Blind hate is easy to spot with the trolls. Point is, there is zero QBs in this draft worth anything and free agency will be the same. I’d love to know what everyone’s plan is at qb next year without Jameis. Please do tell.

Naplesfan
Naplesfan
Reply to  NittanyBuc
3 years ago

Always believing Winston was a bad pick at no. 1 overall – as I believed in 2015, and as most of us who aren’t purposely self-blinding know now, is not “hatred”.

Hatred is a dumb emotion. When someone hates, they stop using their brain.

This is all about intelligence and common sense and believing what our eyes tell us.

sidetrack
sidetrack
Reply to  e
3 years ago

Ha! Winston has had a few A rated games as a Buc QB, but the best Buc QB games ever? I believe the top 2 Bucs QB performances of all time belong to Fitzpatrick, which is funny!

tog
tog
3 years ago

Come on, what are you doing to learn about Winston in 7 games that you don’t already know?

This is a serious question: what can he do in 7 games that is so different than the previous 49.

If you need 7 games to make a determination about Winston than you already have your answer.

BucRy
BucRy
3 years ago

This season can’t end fast enough..

fredster
fredster
3 years ago

At the end of the day it doesn’t matter really at this point. It’s a total mess. If it was me I see no reason to continue to play Fitz. He’s not the answer or the future. I would think long and hard but would finish the year with Winston and decide if going to move on or not. If you are way behind in a game may try see what a griffin can do as well so you don’t get Winston hurt and see if Griffin is better than a back up.

cgmaster27
cgmaster27
Reply to  fredster
3 years ago

Its shocking how many brain dead fans think fitz will even be here next year. There is ZERO point on playing him from here on out. Hell hes allergic to running past the first down apparently, not to mention that fantastic forward pass 10 yards past he line of scrimmage.

juju1242
juju1242
Reply to  cgmaster27
3 years ago

, Dude you seriously need to understand the game of football. Fitz may not be here next year…. Winston shouldn’t be either!!! I’m in agreement with , once your out of the race mathmatically play Ryan Griffen and see what you have in him. The Kid showed promise in the preseason. You already know what you have in Winston and Fitz. With that said go ahead and study the game and maybe just maybe you’ll have a better understanding of it!!!!

Horse
Horse
3 years ago

I used to be a big Winston defender, but I have seen enough. I would put him on in active so no one else sees what we have already seen and then some. Let them have a little Hope and Faith that Winston will turn it around and we’ll get something for him.

At this point I’d like to see more improvement from our defense. This is the key for our 2019 season.

At best I see us winning another one to two games.

thewbacca
thewbacca
3 years ago

I get it. All Tampa fans, writers included, have seen such a bad season that we are all collectively punch drunk. The swing of QB support is getting maniacal. Separate emotion from reason. Who are the statistical producers here? Answer: Monken and Fitz. Why is it now so imperative to (further) evaluate Winston when we have about 50 games to show who he is? Why is Winston now seen as having the best chance to win when he is not the most productive QB on the team this year? Dump Winston, dump McCoy. Spend on good crop of d-line agents… Read more »

sidetrack
sidetrack
Reply to  thewbacca
3 years ago

Sad, but perhaps you are right

Buc-Up
Buc-Up
3 years ago

All of Jimbo Fisher’s QB’s have busted in the Pros. Jamarcus Russell, Christian Ponder, EJ Manuel, and now Jameis Winston all had the physical tools and appeared to project well into the Pros. Yet they’re all missing something. I would love to see what Winston can do under a coach that knows how to develop a QB. Just not sure if it’s worth over $20 million to find out next year. If he can’t win games by himself the way Aaron Rogers and Drew Brees do, then he’s not worth the cap space.

Charlie
Charlie
3 years ago

Start Ryan Griffin, hes the only one who hasn’t gotten a chance yet. Maybe he isn’t useless like Winston or Fitz…

martinii
martinii
3 years ago

IMO everyone is right. If you’re going to be a Buc’s fan you have to man/woman-up to the fact that with the exception of one really great season this is what you get. (probably goes for the other 31 teams over time, but the Buc’s have made a science out of chaos.) For my two cents I think that Koetter knows this is his make or break year and his four year project went out and messed with an Uber Driver, got suspended for 3 games, and created a QB controversy that probably will result in a high draft pick… Read more »

Dman
Dman
3 years ago

Dumb… I’ve stood by Koetter – throughout last season when he mismanaged games, pushed and finally gave up play calling, pushed and finally fired Smith – until now. The D has been horrible as have special teams – but instead of putting his time there, he takes back play calling – and that was working! WHAT??? Now he’s sticking with Fitz – who other than the first two wins has performed like a career back-up. I know I’m an outlier here, but I think Winston gives us the best chance to win – now. And for those of us with… Read more »

seajey
seajey
3 years ago

The person starting at QB has nothing to do with who is better or who is the long term answer but more of who listens to the coach on game day. Koetter has mentioned a few times this year about Winston not calling the play that was sent in, Winston has even admitted doing this last year to get Evans his 1000 yards receiving. When you are winning you can get away with that, but when you are losing close games and throwing more interceptions than touchdowns you can’t. If Koetter gets all over Winston for changing the plays and… Read more »

Dman
Dman
Reply to  seajey
3 years ago

Hmmmm….. We all have criticized Koetter’s play calling. Winston changes plays and he’s the bad guy. Fitz was a getting plays from Monken. Fitz was Magic, Monken a genius. Fitz has two great games, comes down to earth, and now he’s the journeyman back-up he’s been the past 14 years. He may win a couple more games, but he’s still a 14 year journeyman that will be gone next season. Jamies has played poorly so far this season. But he’s played better in the past, most recently the second half and the end of last season. And this past preseason… Read more »

Mcpo23
Mcpo23
3 years ago

Well after the Fitzmagic fizzle of last Sunday, Winston should be. The choice, but I have lost all faith in Koetter after his plain vanilla offensive calling that produced 3 points when his OC was producing a hell of a lot more per game. No longer excited this season

AZ_BUC_FAN4LIFE
AZ_BUC_FAN4LIFE
3 years ago

So I am posting 4 different QB’s first 3 years. Looks to me that JW is just as good if not better than most of them. But to hear some of the so called scouts in this forum. You would think he was David Leaf. Say what you want, but the biggest problem here has been the Coaching and the defense. But its easy to blame the QB…..I will list who is who at the bottom. G C A P Y A/P T I F % R 16 310 517 60.0 4,051 7.84 21 17 3 58.1 84.5 16 280… Read more »

cgmaster27
cgmaster27
Reply to  AZ_BUC_FAN4LIFE
3 years ago

Dont throw facts out sir, the anti jameis fans and people who think they know football like Naples will just disregard the facts and say fitz is better.

Buc stops here
Buc stops here
Reply to  cgmaster27
3 years ago

I have always posted in his first three years, Winston’s numbers trended like one of a future decent QB – this reaffirms what I know. Where he deviates tremendously is in year 4 where he declines massively. Blame it on his suspension (which was his fault). Blame it on his inability to practice with the team. the fact is this year he stinks, no two ways about it. Putting him in with a slight chance for making the playoffs is dumb. Keeping him out if they lose to the Giants is probably not smart either. However – I would not… Read more »

sidetrack
sidetrack
Reply to  Buc stops here
3 years ago

Hey, you forgot a couple :P – Blame it on the fact that Jameis struggles to hit receivers in stride; blame it on Jameis struggles to hit the deep ball; Blame it on Jameis tendancies to lock onto receivers. Blame it on Jameis insistence on 2-6 terrible decisions per game.

tnew
tnew
3 years ago

This is a major issue that people don’t think about. Most people that are Buc fans are exposed to NFL in one of three formats: They watch Buc games, play fantasy or watch highlights. This is the bulk of the people. Playing fantasy is a tough way to really determine who is a better player. Too many other factors. Highlights are worse. Most of these are QB’s doing something amazing because those are the most interesting items. Watching the Bucs games.. so this is the biggest group. Winston has been cursed with 4 consecutive years of the worst passing defense… Read more »

drdneast
drdneast
3 years ago

Who cares whjat the 3 stooges think. They all wanted Fitz in there and now in just two weeks they want to bring Winston back in. They are all as fickle as fans. New York is no better. Everyone wants to bury Eli but when he was given some time to throw the ball on Monday night he looked pretty good to me. Gee, do you think the OL that was like a sieve has anything to do with that. Do you think our OL is any better. I’m all for bringing Winston back in but I don’t think it… Read more »

matador
matador
3 years ago

All of this just makes my head hurt. We suck. And will again, no matter who the QB is.

If the NFL was a pickup game there are maybe 10 players on our roster that would get picked. That’s the Licht legacy, despite mostly drafting high and splashing a lot of $ around on free agency.

Putting aside the Baby Glazers’ gross negligence, getting a GM who knows how to assess talent and build a team (hint: inside out) is job #1. Until that happens we’re wasting our energy hoping for a different outcome every season.

scubog
scubog
3 years ago

Aside from the Saints game in which the Saints were as surprised as we were and the Eagles game in which the Eagles just ran out of time after the first play of the game; what has Fitz done that is so, well…….magical? Let’s be honest folks. Fitz is a nice family guy who can have some great plays and also some equally bad ones. He’s been that QB for 14 seasons. He ain’t changing now. He’s a try hard player. People want to cheer for him. Me too. In his less than four years, Winston too has had some… Read more »

Casey Morgan
Casey Morgan
3 years ago

All 3 of you are wrong. After 3 1/2 years we know what we have in Winston. Start Fitz until we are officially out of it, then go with Ryan Griffin. He’s the one who may (or may not) be the future…

chipbuc
chipbuc
3 years ago

I say after 3 years we know what we have in Koetter, and to a certain extent Licht. Winston aside, Koetter and Licht don’t show any ability to construct and manage a real NFL team. I think it’s impossible to do a true evaluation of how good Winston can be with the flawed teams he has played with the past 3 years. For one I think that Koetter’s offense just isn’t the best offense suited for Winston’s talents. Secondly Winston’s played 2 of the three years with little to no running game. If you think that isn’t important to a… Read more »