PewterReport.com is beginning a new feature off an an old one this week called the PR Roundtable. In the new edition of the Roundtable the staff will take just one topic each week and share some brief thoughts. Take a look and tell us what you think, and share your feelings on the topic in the comment section.

This week’s topic: Was Winston’s late game outburst a good thing, or a bad thing?

Publisher Scott Reynolds: There are two obvious ways to look at Jameis Winston’s emotional outburst at the end of Tampa Bay’s 22-19 loss at Carolina on Sunday. The first is that Winston was being an immature, temperamental poor sport by verbally going after the officials after they awarded possession to the Panthers after Winston’s fumble deep in Tampa Bay territory – even though he came up with the ball with less than a minute to play. The second way is that Winston showed passion and an admirable never-give-up, fight-to-the-end spirit. The reality is that there is some truth to both sides of looking at Winston’s outburst, but I happened to like the passion he showed and his sense of timing regarding the outburst.

I’d rather have Winston pick that battle to fight at the end of the game than doing something similar much earlier in the game when the outcome has yet to be decided. Winston has had a couple of other passionate meltdowns over the past two years that came at the wrong time. Last year in a key, 26-20 loss at Dallas, Winston foolishly head-butted Cowboys linebacker Justin Durant in the red zone in the first half after a hard tackle for loss of running back Doug Martin. That drew a 15-yard penalty and forced the Bucs to settle for a field goal on that drive.

Earlier this year after leaving the Saints game with an injured shoulder, Winston came off the sidelines and poked rookie cornerback Marshon Lattimore in the helmet, which started a brief melee on the Bucs sidelines between Tampa Bay and New Orleans players. That led to wide receiver Mike Evans defending Winston by hitting and shoving Lattimore and resulted in his suspension for the next game against the New York Jets. The Bucs lost that game, 30-10 and that was a dumb decision by Winston.

Yet I wish more Bucs players had Winston’s will to win and passion. If they did perhaps this team wouldn’t be 4-11.

What Winston needs to do – as a leader and team captain – is pick his battles carefully and not let his emotions come out at the wrong time. As the Bucs’ field general, Winston needs to mature and operate more like a basketball coach that knows when to draw a technical foul to fire up his team.

Winston’s outburst at the end of game came when the outcome was all but decided, and I didn’t have a problem with it for that reason. I just hope his teammates were paying close attention so they could see the fire that still burns within Winston 16 weeks into a season that has been over for well over a month and decide to emulate that quality.

Editor Mark Cook: Good and bad.

I will start with why it was bad. Like it or not Winston is under an incredible microscope. And guess what, 95 percent of it is because he created this scrutiny with acts of immaturity. Is it fair it that it continues? Yes it is. Like the old saying goes, you made your bed now you have to lay in it. So Winston must be aware that every time he spits on a sidewalk, belches in a restaurant or loses his mind in football game, there are those waiting to pounce. Those are the facts and it will follow him as long as Winston is in the public eye. And every time there is a controversial moment, fair or not, it is a black eye on the franchise.

Now why it is good: I love the competitive nature. I love the fact he gives a damn. Some guys play football because they are good at it. They are superior athletically to most of us, therefore they can make millions of dollars playing a sport. But is the love of the game ingrained in their heart? You can’t say it isn’t in the case of Winston. The dude is a baller as my 17-year old son says.

This may come as a shock to some (not really) but I was a jerk when I played sports. I talked trash. I wasn’t a great athlete by any stretch, but when I lost I wanted to fight anyone who looked at me. Teammates, opponents, family members, it didn’t matter. I hated losing. I still hate losing. Losing is for losers.

Jameis Winston hates losing. He despises it. It wears on him. It consumes him. And when the team he quarterbacks has lost five in a row, and 11 games in one season, the frustration boils over. I get that.

I remember talking to Jimbo Fisher, Winston’s former head coach at FSU, and asked him once if Winston can be too emotional. He laughed and said, he would much rather have a played that he had to tell “whoa” that “giddy up.” You never have to tell Winston to giddy up.

The problem is there are too many players on the Bucs roster than you do have to say giddy up to.

I am guessing Dirk Koetter, Jon Gruden, or whoever is on the sidelines next season would prefer their leader to have to be reined in from time to time instead of motivated in the middle of the game. Players either have the passion or they don’t. It’s not anything that can be taught or learned. Winston most certainly has it, and while it will sometimes bite him on the rear, it is also a trait that can propel him to be the best quarterback the Bucs have ever had.

Beat Writer Trevor Sikkema: Bucs quarterback Jameis Winston has had an incredible last few weeks. He threw for 299 yards with three touchdowns against the Falcons on Monday Night Football, and followed that up by throwing for 367 yards and another touchdown against the Carolina Panthers. Not only that, he did it all while completing career highs in percentage, both above 77 percent for each game.

However, though Winston’s performances over a long period of two 60-minute games was impressive, what most people are talking about from Winston’s last few weeks was the fact that he had what seemed to be a temper tantrum on the sideline at the very end of the Panthers game after losing the fumble to seal Carolina’s victory.

This wasn’t the first time we’ve seen Winston act out of football character this season. There was the noted poke of Saints cornerback Marshon Lattimore that ultimately led to circumstances that got wide receiver Mike Evans suspended. Plus there was that whole “eat a W” thing that people can’t seem to let go. Was last week’s outburst in Carolina just another example of Winston needing to grow up?

For me, no, it wasn’t.

When you talk about Jameis Winston, you have to first realize who you’re talking about – Jameis Winston. This isn’t Russell Wilson; it’s not Peyton Manning; it isn’t Marcus Mariota. Winston is Philip Rivers talking smack before the final play of the game. He’s Aaron Rodgers doing the belt celebration right in front of a defender after scoring a touchdown. He’s Tom Brady looking at Robert Kraft in the eye and saying he’s the best draft pick he’s ever made before his rookie season.

Winston is competitive to his core and that must invoke emotion, get over it – and that’s a good thing. Does Winston have some growing up to do? Yes, he does, just like we all do or did when we were 23 years old. But no matter how old he gets, Winston is going to be furious if you blow a call against his team that causes him to lose like the refs did in Carolina. He’s going to get in people’s face. He’s going to be a bit of a wild child at times.

And you know what? Good.

You know why its good? Because eventually passion like that can be harnessed into leadership and execution – at a level not many can achieve.

Winston is not a finished product as a player or a person (none of us ever really are). Should he not run out onto the field and truck stick Shelton Quarles on the way out there? Sure, he should probably avoid doing that in the future. But, the line between that and visibly fighting for his teammates in any way he can is slimmer than you think. Give me a guy who has it that can one day be harnessed.

Share On Socials

About the Author: Mark Cook

Mark Cook currently is the director of editorial content and Bucs beat writer and has written for PewterReport.com since 2011. Cook has followed the Buccaneers since 1977 when he first began watching football with his Dad and is fond of the 1979 Bucs team that came within 10 points of going to a Super Bowl. His favorite Bucs game is still the 1979 divisional playoff win 24-17 over the Eagles. In his spare time Cook enjoys playing guitar, fishing, the beach and family time.Cook is a native of Pinecrest in Eastern Hillsborough County and has written for numerous publications including the Tampa Tribune, In the Field and Ya'll Magazine. Cook can be reached at [email protected]
Subscribe
Notify of
39 Comments
Oldest
Newest
Inline Feedbacks
View all comments
bent09
bent09
4 years ago

Winston has lost 9 in a row. He is 2-10 this season in his starts.

Eric
Eric
Reply to  bent09
4 years ago

not, Winston…the Tampa Bay Buccaneers…

cgmaster27
cgmaster27
Reply to  Eric
4 years ago

Don’t bother Eric, some fools think Winston plays defense, kicks the field goals, gives up the sacks, and causes every penalty.

devasher
devasher
Reply to  cgmaster27
4 years ago

Wasn’t Licht elated with Winston’s intangibles and leadership when he took him first overall?

Do you think he was expecting Winston’s leadership and intangibles to result in as many wins as his mediocre backup in his 3rd year with three times as many starts?

I guess the 49ers run since Garoppolo started is just a coincidence, or the the Patriots just had a string of good luck when Tom Brady took over for Drew Bledsoe. You’re right, QB’s don’t affect team play at all. Got it.

cgmaster27
cgmaster27
Reply to  devasher
4 years ago

I didn’t say Qb’s don’t affect the game at all did I? But people like you act like he does mask what is a massive amount of deficiencies in this team. A couple of made fG’s and this team wins at least 2 more games. The defense doesn’t give away THREE straight 4th quarter leads, that’s three more. That’s 5 wins that were affected by other circumstances, and tnen you’d have nothing to complain about.

devasher
devasher
Reply to  devasher
4 years ago

If ifs and buts were candies and nuts we’d all have a merry Christmas. The team has played worse with Winston under center than Fitzpatrick this year. That is a fact, whether you want to look at points scored, point differential or record. And maybe if the kicker isn’t having to line up for his fifth FG of the game because the offense can score TD’s instead you wouldn’t have to worry about missed 50+ yarders. The point is if Winston’s leadership, eating W’s speeches and running around like a freaking idiot actually inspired the team then his backup wouldn’t… Read more »

Horse
Horse
Reply to  devasher
4 years ago

The quarterbacks they had before were awful.

chefboho
chefboho
Reply to  devasher
4 years ago

So you must be the kind of fan who likes people like shaggy fat boy baker smiling after the game because he made a stupid play and doesn’t care. You could also say that Gerald McCoy is 4-10 as a starter because he gets paid a lot more than Winston to produce. In fact there’s at least 9 guys on this roster that make more to produce and I don’t see any fight in any of them. But you continue your needless dribble about how one guy makes a team. Good thing for you is that there’s 31 other teams… Read more »

devasher
devasher
Reply to  Eric
4 years ago

Yeah, those same Tampa Bay Buccaneers are 2-1 with Ryan Fitzpatrick starting. No one is accusing Fitzpatrick of being the better QB, but was the away game against the Dolphins that the Bucs won with Fitz all that much more difficult than the Brett Hundley-led Green Bay game that Jameis and Co lost? Hundley had 84 yards passing 0 TD’s and 1 INT but the Bucs lost in OT. The Hundley-led Packers barely squeaked by the soon to be 0-16 Browns and got shut out by the Vikings at home this past week which is the Vikings first shutout since… Read more »

cgmaster27
cgmaster27
Reply to  devasher
4 years ago

No the game they won against Miami was because Jay Cutler was the QB for the dolphins the first half. And the Packers beat us because our defense couldn’t stop a team that couldn’t complete a forward pass for two straight scoring drives. One to tie the game and send it to overtime and the other in overtime, when our offense never even got the ball.

devasher
devasher
Reply to  cgmaster27
4 years ago

I love how you qualify absolutely everything. Rationalize much?

Horse
Horse
Reply to  devasher
4 years ago

Do you actually believe that Winston would have lost those two games?

Horse
Horse
Reply to  bent09
4 years ago

So you are saying Winston loss all nine of those games?

niko521
niko521
Reply to  bent09
4 years ago

BENT… Winston is not 2-10, Winston HAS NO RECORD. The TAMPA BAY BUCCANEERS have a losing record. If you think the Bucs are better off without Winston, please go watch the following teams play football.
Denver Broncos, Cleveland Browns, Chicago Bears (who took Mike Glennon) , and then watch a few games With/WO their QB: Green Bay, and San Francisco.
Give me a break.

Eric
Eric
4 years ago

they are only controversial moments because they keep finding ways to lose. Sooo may close games, that great teams find a way to win….however, we are clearly not there yet. But IMO, this is PR making a deal out of nothing. JW put everything he had into that game…OF COURSE he was pissed and let it show…at the right time. He didn’t cost them anything else. how many times do you see other QB’s throw and INT or FUM and then just smile or swipe their arm through the air as if to say…ohh darn…I love the fire…the JUICE! BRING… Read more »

Naplesfan
Naplesfan
Reply to  Eric
4 years ago

It’s not just Koetter that’s underperforming. He doesn’t fumble the ball, or take it down to the red zone and fail to convert touchdowns, or jump offsides. He contributes, certainly, with his playcalling. But simply firing Koetter won’t score touchdowns or put Ws in the column. Maybe Gruden can or will do all that, perhaps he’ll call better plays, or get onto Jameis to fix what’s keeping him from scoring touchdowns or hanging onto the ball. Or maybe not. Looks like we’ll get the chance to find out next season.

devasher
devasher
4 years ago

The problem is that Winston has lost his last 9 starts and has a 2-10 record this year with the only two wins being against 5-10 Chicago and 2-13 NYG, two of the worst teams in football. If Winston’s passion and bravado actually inspired this team as much as as the players say it does, then why is Winston riding a 9 game losing streak? If Jameis wants to run around like an idiot and it actually helped the team win games I’d be all for it. If he runs around like an idiot at the end of a meaningless… Read more »

Naplesfan
Naplesfan
4 years ago

I rrefuse to play this game, one of responding to a false choice question … where one gets to proclaim his disgust or his delight with specific antics by Winston that do not score touchdowns or win games. I’m strictly transactional … what I want is for Jameis Winston to score touchdowns, and not give away the ball to the other team or have to rely upon a kicker to kick 100% of his field goal attempts to have a chance to tie the game. If I had my druthers, I’d also prefer that Winston and all members of the… Read more »

Naplesfan
Naplesfan
Reply to  Naplesfan
4 years ago

Here’s what someone else thinks, from outside the Buccaneers bubble, and seems representative of pretty much what the rest of the NFL world thinks about the Buccaneers right now as they finish yet another pathetic losing season: “e. Cam Newton is one mysterious football player. I look up in the fourth quarter of a game the Panthers needed, Sunday against the 4-10 Bucs, and 57 minutes into it, Jameis Winston is out-passing Newton 367 yards to 108. f. And then Newton plays Superman on the last drive and wins the game, after fumbling the snap, bulling into the end zone… Read more »

Naplesfan
Naplesfan
Reply to  Naplesfan
4 years ago

PW – the other writer not in the Bucs bubble I quoted was Peter King in his MMQB column this week. King is in’t necessary the wisest sage in NFL-dom,. But again, his observations are in this instance fact based, and totally devoid of the compulsion to either blame or excuse any single player.

cgmaster27
cgmaster27
Reply to  Naplesfan
4 years ago

You nailed it Naples, this team has lost on all levels. Looking at the stats for the game, you’d never think the bucs were losing, but the ball bounces one way or another and boom, there’s the results. This team just can;t get out of it’s own way.

Eric
Eric
4 years ago

Another thing I love about Winston and his maturity is look how he conducts himself when he is successful.. He doesn’t rest on his laurels…he is always encouraging and helping those around him. he doesn’t go off seeking glory for himself with some dumb ass display like cam newton always does…it amazes me how many times cam celebrates to the exclusion of his teammates…what an asshole, sorry, great talent, but what a jackhole

Naplesfan
Naplesfan
Reply to  Eric
4 years ago

Cam Newton may be an asshole – though I believe that he is just an iconoclast who really doesn’t give a goddamn what you or anybody else thinks of him. – or maybe not. What we know is that Cam Newton just put his team in the playoffs forthe fifth time in the last six seasons. He took it upon himself to make an unbelievable play against our Bucs on Sunday to win the game. He’s also been MVP of the League. Carolina fans, some of them at least, probably think Cam Newton is an asshole too. But he’s THEIR… Read more »

Eric
Eric
Reply to  Naplesfan
4 years ago

great response Naplesfan…He is THEIR asshole

devasher
devasher
4 years ago

Meanwhile Jimmy Garoppolo gets traded from New England to San Francisco and reels off 4 straight wins for a team that won all of one game of it’s first 10 without him starting. It’s literally the same team, during the same season, with one notable change to it’s roster, the one leading it. Is there anyone who believes this “talented roster” of the Bucs that is so great is actually worse than the San Francisco 49ers? Do people believe that Winston is less talented Garoppolo? If it isn’t about talent, and the PR crew is in favor of Winston’s behavior… Read more »

Mike.Seven
Mike.Seven
4 years ago

First of all, no one talking about the fumbles, When Jamies had the ball and plenty of time and game on the line he went down the field and was stopped again and settled for an FG. Cam Newton comes on the field down by 4 points and marches down the field, and nothing is going to stop him from physically personally scoring to get his team in playoffs. Winston gets the ball again with 30 secs and fumbles then throw a temper tantrum to sidetrack from the fact he fumbled for the third time. Side note Cam Newton was… Read more »

cgmaster27
cgmaster27
Reply to  Mike.Seven
4 years ago

Jameis was stopped on that last drive you say? The same drive that had three offensive false starts he overcame to get in field goal range? The same drive he had the scrub Doug Martin in there who ran for -1 yards on the drive trying to take time off the clock? Jameis was sacked and hit a total of 14 or 15 times that game. The line was horrible and you blame him. And you’re giving credit to cam who was able to avoid what is the worst pass rush in the NFL?

Mike.Seven
Mike.Seven
Reply to  cgmaster27
4 years ago

Me and cgmaster have been at odds for 2 years, me not happy with performance of Winston, cgmaster stating that I do not know anything and Winston great QB, here we are still at odds Bucs 4-12
after Winston 9 loss in a row

surferdudes
4 years ago

There are some stallions that can’t be broken till the right cowboy comes along. You’ve seen the movies, every ranch hand get’s on, then get’s thrown off. Finally Alan Ladd walks up, you youngsters google it, whispers in the horses ear, gets on, and rides away. Silver could only be ridden by the Lone Ranger. Maybe Gruden is that horse whisper.

scubog
scubog
Reply to  surferdudes
4 years ago

Ahhhh, those were the days Surfer. Hi Ho Silver …………away!

cgmaster27
cgmaster27
4 years ago

I also heard that Jameis went after Swaggy in the locker room per the rumors and I say good. Apparently swaggy had a nice smile on his face after the loss, especially with his bone headed off sides. But players like Swaggy need to be weeded out now. Jameis isn’t accustomed to losing and I for one am glad to see somebody gives a fuck. You know like every buccaneer but james just standing around on his first “fumble”. Some people will be rubbed the wrong way by it, however I even said to my wife the minute that last… Read more »

Jlog
Jlog
4 years ago

If one of the top 2 QB even the top 3 really, are still there when our number is called it would be unwise for this team not to take it. The rookie contract is cheap and it might provide the motivation to cure Winston’s butter fingers and get a hold of his impulsive nature. If not we have an affordable way out. Plus let’s not forget his kitty grabbing hasn’t gone away and worse case that could be a 6 game suspension.

Wausa
Wausa
4 years ago

Jamies is the 10th ranked passer in the NFL with a passer rating of 96.5 Bucs are 4th in passing yardage Bucs are 27th in rushing yardage Bucs have the 27th ranked rushing offense Bucs have the 31st ranked defense Bucs have the worst ranked 3rd down defense Bucs have the worst pass defense Bucs have the worst defense in sack production Bucs are 31st in punt yardage Bucs are 31st in Kick off Return yardage Bucs are 28th in Kick Return defense AND The Bucs have had one of the worst FG % in the league this year. The… Read more »

sunshineben
sunshineben
4 years ago

From the PR.com pic from above it looks like Winston is crying. Not cool for fans or bucs!

scubog
scubog
4 years ago

As usual, anyone who reads the Pewter Report comments section could predict on which side the posters would come down regarding Jameis Winston. It just cracks me up how no matter what good he does there are always those whose first words are , “yeah but.” Likewise, there are those who will leap to his defense when even I can’t justify it. Here the question was about how folks’ perception of Winston’s emotional display after a hard-fought game. Does one like the passion or dislike the “immaturity”? But what did our anti-Winston posters do? They brought up the losses and… Read more »

Pete Wood
Pete Wood
4 years ago

The Bucs have a lot of problems, but they have the best receiving corps in the league. Bad play calling cost us many games , along with a poor offensive line and almost ignoring the defense in the past few drafts.
Winston is only 23. He needs to grow up some and he needs some help. He can’t do it alone. Give him a consistent running game, a good offensive line, good coaching, quality kicking and a defense and he will accomplish great things.

matador
matador
4 years ago

His behavior was ridiculous, immature and unprofessional. An embarrassment to him personally and the franchise. HOw anyone could say we’re better off having the supposed leader of the team behaving that way is completely beyond me. Caring about losing and losing your sh—, multiple times now, are two very different things.

IT says to me that while he may have great football IQ he hasn’t come very far emotionally after three yrs with Koetter. That’s one of the (multiple) reasons I’d prefer to see Gruden coaching him next year

matador
matador
4 years ago

His behavior was ridiculous, immature and unprofessional. An embarrassment to him personally and the franchise. HOw anyone could say we’re better off having the supposed leader of the team behaving that way is completely beyond me. Caring about losing and losing your sh—, multiple times now, are two very different things.

IT says to me that while he may have great football IQ he hasn’t come very far emotionally after three yrs with Koetter. And it’s one of the (manyy) reasons why I would like to see Gruden coaching him next year

bent09
bent09
4 years ago

‘Jameis Winston hates losing. He despises it. It wears on him. It consumes him. And when the team he quarterbacks has lost five in a row, and 11 games in one season, the frustration boils over. I get that.”

I actually support Winston, I was correcting the article. Yikes