Pewter Reports’ Jon Ledyard was joined by Trevor Sikkema, Ted Nguyen, Eric Crocker, Brandon Thorne, Mark Schofield and Kirk Morrison in creating a consensus list of the top 100 players in the NFL, where six current Bucs made the list.

Unsurprisingly both quarterback Tom Brady and tight end Rob Gronkowski, two of the league’s most highly-touted free agent additions, made the list while the 2019 sack leader Shaq Barrett narrowly missed out.

Linebacker Lavonte David, offensive guard Ali Marpet and wide receivers Chris Godwin and Mike Evans were all included in the top 100 list as well.

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Dave
1 year ago

How Shaq Barrett isn’t on the edge list is beyond me. I’d put him there over F.Clark and Z.Smith for sure. And if this is based off NOW, I’d have Jensen on the IOL list over Scherff and Saffold.

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NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

I agree on Barrett hands down, but Jensen over Scherff? Definitely over Saffold imo, but not over Scherff.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

I’m saying now. Not over their careers. Jensen was absolutely better last season, no doubt about it. Not a knock on scherff, he’s, if nothing else, incredibly consistent. But his play has more good but not great the last 2 years. Jensen was the rock of our line last year. Consistent as any C in the league. Now he can he repeat that level, remains to be seen. I think he will

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NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Jensen had a terrible first year here with holding penalty after holding penalty. If you average those 2 years out, he’s about an average player and not top 100 material, so I can see the logic in it. Scherff is a powerful drive blocker elite at both run blocking and pass protection. His grade was 92.3 per PFF, which is elite. Much better than Jensen.

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Btw last year PFF had a grade on Jensen of 79.3 while Saffold was 73.2.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Again, I said based off NOW. Not, let’s take Jensens bad first year and average it in with last years great year to make him sound worse. Scherff was not rated a 92.3 last year btw, he was a 75. The year before that, 71. And if you want to talk about penalties, last year Scherff was 2nd in the NFL in penalties committed at 9, while Jensen was 19th with 3. And yet Scherff played essentially half the snaps as Jensen did lol( 1139 to 643). Sorry but based off last year, Jensen was clearly better. In any metric… Read more »

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NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Scherff was injured last year and had a better pass blocking metric. Dunno where you’re getting your info, but hes still better than Jensen. Not saying Jensen is not a good player, but he has never been classified as elite like Scherff.

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Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

And the year before. Kind of hard to be elite and help your team win while missing 14 games the last 2 years. And amazingly, he still allowed the 2nd most sacks in the league. Nothing about him the last 2 years has been elite. Nothing. And last year Jensen was better

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

One year wonder Jensen. Hang your hat on that one big guy. The list doesn’t lol.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Better than a guy who can’t stay on the field, and has never been elite a day in his nfl life. He’s never once had a grade 80 better in his entire career. Give me the guy that just may have needed a change or scenery versus an injury prone tackle that’s been slightly above average and nothing more his entire career. And don’t even give me the pro bowl crap. Pro bowls are a joke and everyone knows it. All pros are what matter, which shockingly he has none of

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Smh agree to disagree Dave. Scherff over Jensen any day of the week for me. Comparing apples and oranges gets tiresome.

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Btw Scherff never been elite a day in his life lmaooo… homer talk

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Umm sorry how is he elite? He’s never been all pro, never had a PFF grade over 80, cant play a full season, and commits penalties at an alarming rate. How is he elite? This id love to hear

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

With the exception of last year, Scherff has had a better pff grade than Jensen EVERY YEAR. Every single year Dave. Jensen led the league in penalties his first year here. Scherff has been injured, but when fully healthy, hes markedly better. Just the way it is.

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Scherff is THE man on that line, while Jensen is second fiddle here. So many ways to describe how hes better. Hes a ton more athletic as judged not just by his play, but his draft status. 1st rounder Scherff, 6th rounder Jensen. I like Jensen, but there is NO WAY he should be on this list after one year of decent play and a bunch of other middling to bad years.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

He’s the man on that line? You mean he MIGHT be now, pending he can stay on the field for once. Last time I checked, perennial all pro Trent Williams was THE man on that line since the day he entered the league. Jensen was THE man on our line last year. His stats and grades support that

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NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Really Dave? Marpet? Wow lmao

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Trent Williams has to play to be elite, by your own analysis. He hasnt, and now hes not on the team. Btw you’re saying Jensen over Scherff, when it has been characterized multiple times that Scherff has been much better. So many metrics and things back that up. Just saying buddy.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

So he missed one season because of a contract. And yet he still only played 6 less games the past 2 years lol. Good god man. And last year Jensen was the best player on our line. AGAIN, never said he was a better player than Marpet, I said he was the man LAST year. He was our best, and most consistent Lineman, as well as the vocal leader of the line.

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Let’s all clap it up for Jensen! He had a good year! First one ever! Let’s break down his hall of fame tape last season! I’m sure it will be much better than the less than elite grade it received.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

On par with any season of Scherffs disappointing top 5 pick career lol. And also inaccurate. Jensens first season as the full time starter in 2017, he graded as a 71.5. Scherff was given every opportunity to be a stud, as a top 5 pick. After starting the final 6 games of his 2nd season, Jensen wasn’t given the starting job the next season, even though he was solid as a first time starter. He was finally given a chance to start every game in 17, and he was a near 72 grade. Outside his first season with the Bucs,… Read more »

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NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

One season on par with Scherffs career? Sounds like the list made the right choice.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Really apt comparison seeing as Jensen has only been a starter for 3 seasons, and switched teams his 2nd year as a starter. Scherffs has started 5 years in a row for the same team in the same offense. Again from last year forward, I’ll take Jensen all day.

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Lmao I love how you say he has improved every season outside of his first season with the Bucs. It was one season!! Lmaoooooo

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Well if every year of his career was with the same team, I would never have mentioned it. But he switched teams, and as a lineman, it’s hit or miss to a smooth transition. His first 3 years in Baltimore he was better every year. And here he was light years better year 2. I’ll take him next year over Scherffs 100 times out of 100 from today forward. How about a $50 bet. Jensen will have a better PFF grade next year than Scherffs. Any day I’ll take it

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Williams also didnt miss a season over a contract. He missed the season, over the team’s handling of a growth on his head that ended up being cancerous. Btw, PFF isnt the only way to grade players performances, which is how you and I are choosing to analyze these players. We should be looking at %pass block and run block win rates, as well as availability and other intangibles.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

If there’s so many ways to describe them, they should be easy to name? Yeah Scherff still gets recognition because of his too high draft status. He’s called a 1st rounder than didn’t live to his draft status. A bunch of missed games and a bunch of 75 graded seasons isn’t worthy of a top 5 pick. Not even close. It’s pretty sad that it’s even close considering he’s a top 5 pick, and Jensen almost went in drafted. I’ll take a shot with the player that possibly was a late bloomer and might have just needed a change of… Read more »

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Umm way to dodge the actual question. I didn’t say he wasn’t graded better every year(except last year). I said how is he elite? Being consistently really solid isn’t elite. Those 2 are not the same. He’s always up there in most penalties, he misses a ton of games, and he’s always graded in the mid 70’s. Congratulations, that makes him consistent and solid. Not elite. Not once in his career has the NFL all pro selection committee, or PFF considered him elite. But yeah they must all be wrong.

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

What about Jensen by those same metrics you just outlined? The rock on our line? Sorry man, that’s Marpet who has consistently graded better.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Did he grade better last year? I’ll give you a hint, it’s no. Hence for the millionth time, why I said he was the man LAST year

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Scherff was an elite run blocker leading an 85 year old AP to over 1000 yards.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Link?

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Look man, just Google anything about Scherff. I promise you, you will find it. He has great games against great d lines. The guy is a monster. I agree over Saffold like I said, but Scherff is a very good guard with elite run blocking ability.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Lol right

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Ok, and Jensen is one of the best pass blocking centers in the league. Only difference is, he’s always on the field, Scherffs isn’t. Give me the healthier guy who probably hasn’t hit his ceiling yet over the unhealthy guy that clearly has hit his ceiling. You can have Scherff, I’ll gladly take Jensen. Simple as that

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

And could you name the time for me Jensen was elite? Better season for him last year, but as defined by pff not elite. He has been outplayed by Scherff with the exception of last season, where Scherff was injured. Man, seems like you’re jumping the gun a bit doesnt it?

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Jumping the gun? Nope it’s called following the trends. His grades have been 62, 65, 72, 56, then 79. Outside of his 1st year here, he’s gotten better every year of his career. And if you follow the trends, he hasn’t hit his ceiling. Again, I’ll take a shot on the player that might not have hit his ceiling, and can still be an all pro versus the player I know at this point is not elite or ever going to be an all pro. If Jensen falls off next year, than I was wrong. But if he matches what… Read more »

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Btw “never been elite a day in his NFL life” is funny. No games at over a 90 pff grade? I’ll pull up the list of how many he’s had if youd like lol.

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Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

The king of word manipulation. For at least the 3rd time I can remember off the top of my head. Never said Jensen was elite, I said Scherffs isn’t. And it’s a phrase. Any player that’s ever played in the nfl can have an elite day. He’s never had an elite year, or career. Im pretty sure you knew what I meant

Dbuc63
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Dave, I get your point even though it’s slightly misguided. “NOW” also does not mean last year. Essentially all you’re doing is changing the criteria to mean last year as opposed to the last 2 years or career. There are some fans here and elsewhere that could do a100 list and justify it as well as these guys did…

Dave
Reply to  Dbuc63
1 year ago

No it’s definitely not misguided. Now is now. 2 years ago isn’t now. Most top 100 NFL lists are based of the prior year. And as far as Jensen, he came to a new team, and had 2 different offensive systems in 2 seasons. Even if we count the last 2 years, I’d take Jensen over Scherff. He’s missed 14 games over the last 2 years, and almost led the league in sacks allowed in half as many snaps as Jensen. Same with Saffold. I’d take Jensen over him the last 2 years as well

BigSombrero
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

I wonder what the list of TOP 10 current Buccaneers looks like?

For me it is Evans, Barrett, JPP, Suh, David, White, Godwin, Gronk, Brady, and Vea…IN THAT ORDER.

I like Marpet, Smith, Dean, Gholston, Brate, Jensen, RoJo, Cappa, Gay, and Davis as players 11-20.

BigSombrero
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

WR’s are easily replaceable. That’s why Godwin is lower on my list. Gronk and Brady are TOTALLY unproven as Bucs in this system against this division at this point, but Im giving them the benefit of the doubt.

Dave
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

Ehh I agree to a point. I agree with the right QB, a good WR is replaceable for sure. But an elite of the elite WR, I think isn’t replaceable. It’s on a player by player basis and team QB by team QB basis. But I get what you mean

Dave
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

That’s actually a really good question. I’d have to think about that list. Hmm

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

How do you feel about Derwin James and Josh Allen BS? Just want a new perspective.

BigSombrero
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Derwin James took the league by storm his rookie year. Constantly in the right place at the right time. Since then, the Chargers have succeeded without him due to injury. The games he played in his second year (5) weren’t very productive. He’s definitely talented but to say he’s a top 100 player in the NFL? I don’t think so.

Josh Allen has great mobility, size. His accuracy is questionable. The best comp I can think of is Cam Newton. Both guys are 6’5, 240ish. Both guys have comp percentages in the high 50’s. Both guys have QBR around 80.

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

Lol Josh Allen of the Jags BS. Same name, but the pass rusher we didnt take.

BigSombrero
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Funny enough, but I talked about DE/OLB Allen in another post further down…I was very high on him last year. I would have taken him over White. I was actually the first on the boards last year to reason that he might drop to Tampa and I was sure the Bucs would take him. Oh well, wrong again I guess!

NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Derwin James is in the top 100, and if Josh Allen has ANOTHER Pro Bowl season, he’ll be there too. Smdh… bring on the dislikes!!! Lol

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NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Meanwhile, no Vea or White. Not saying they wont be great players, but up until this point, this is a fail for the Bucs.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Up until this point it’s a fail for the Bucs? How do you possibly come up with that one? If you go by last year, Vea over James was the right pick.(regardless if James was injured or not) As for Devin White, it was the right pick then, and it still is now. Why, because Josh Allen had 10.5 sacks? Lol. White was hurt for the 1st half of the year. When he came back for the 2nd half, he was clearly a better player than Allen. Allen was essentially used in only passing situations. And with 2 pro bowl… Read more »

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NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

So Dave, you penalize Derwin for being hurt and not Devin White? Seems a tad bit biased…

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Read it again genius. I said when Janes was healthy, he was mediocre at best. The difference is, I’m not arguing White should be on this list. I’m not comparing White to James. I’m comparing White to Allen. Now you say they play totally different positions, yet a minute ago, you bashed White for not having 10 sacks like Allen. Now who’s hypocritical?

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

You read it again smart guy lol, HE WASNT 100% ALL LAST YEAR! Should be better in caps right?

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Read it again? Weird that was never mentioned until now that he wasn’t healthy even when he came back. However my original comment stated that even when healthy, James was mediocre

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

It was mentioned in the comments below if you were following the thread and not just pointed comments…

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

And at no point was White a clearly better player than Allen. They play different positions. Allen was a difference maker.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Yes he was. 150% was in the 2nd half

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Why wasnt he in the Pro Bowl? An alternate? All Pro? Anything but 2 rookie awards for a month? Go look up josh Allen’s win rate, pass rush, run defense and coverage. All Pro in the making. Hope we can say the same about White this year.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Again, pro bowls mean nothing, in fact, less than nothing. The NFL pro bowl is a complete joke, and every player, fan, or coach knows it. Talk to me when he makes all pros. Now that Calais and yannick are gone, he’s going to see constant double teams. Watch when those cute meaningless sack totals, fall off a cliff. And for the 2nd half it wasn’t even close. White was definitely better. Here’s Allen’s last 9 games. 5.5 sacks, 3 TFL, 0 int, 1 FF, 0 FR, 0 PD, 0 TD’s, and 23 tackles. Now White’s: 68 tackles, 2.5 sacks,… Read more »

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Yannick isnt gone yet. Might play this season as a Jag. Just saying. I bet Shaqs 19.5 were meaningless too right?

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Shaq doesn’t have 2 pro bowl rushers ahead of him, taking all the double teams. Once the league figured out they had to account for Allen, he was mediocre at best in the 2nd half. 7.5 sacks 1st 5 games, 3 sacks final 8 games. Sucks when you stop getting 1 on 1’s huh? Lol. Give me the rookie that started slow because of injury, and was a beast in the 2nd half, over the guy that started out hot, then faded down the stretch. Especially since it’s a much harder transition for a MLB that calls all the plays… Read more »

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NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Should have been much easier with David next to him. Allen was much more than just a 3rd down rusher btw. Great at setting the edge, good in coverage. Hell, the guy is a monster and you would be singing his praises all the way to the bank if he were a Buc. It would be amazing to put JPP rushing inside on 3rd down with Shaq and Allen coming off the edge, but we’ll never know now. Hopefully a good pass rusher falls to us for cheap after cut time. We’ll need it. Mediocre at best??? Lol now I… Read more »

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

No we won’t need it. We had a top 7 sack unit last year. And again you have a real problem with twisting people’s words. I said he started out hot, and once teams realized they needed to account for Allen, and his constant 1 on 1’s stopped, he was mediocre in the 2nd half. And MLB is not a harder transition? You have to be kidding me? Do you know anything about football. RB, and rushing the passer are the 2 NFL positions that transition the easiest. Always has been that way. Being the play caller of a defense… Read more »

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NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

That’s why I’m saying you didnt watch the games. The kid in NO WAY should be described as mediocre over ANY part of the season. I just reiterated what you said. Lmao I guess I know nothing about football because Dave said so. His football knowledge is much more refined than anyone else’s. I have no problem looking any of it up, do you? Defend White all you want. Josh Allen had a Pro Bowl year and Derwin James is an All Pro. 2 facts that cant be ignored. Also, I’m sure Lavonte didnt call one play, or made sure… Read more »

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Also, I said Allen faced better athletes in the NFL than White did, going against LTs and RTs. Btw beat Terron Armstead a bunch. Manhandled Jack Conklin all game against Tennessee. So much better than you’re giving the kid credit for, but what do I know over Mr. “I know football better than anyone” Dave? I assume they have your front office job waiting for you?

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

I can repeat myself if you want. I said in the 2nd half White was better, which he was. And in the 2nd half, Allen was not as good as the first half. Every stat backs that up. They don’t lie. Once teams figured out they needed to game plan for him, they did. Never said he wasn’t good, never said he wasn’t great or won’t be great. I said White was the right pick then and now. And I’m the know it all? Lol. Im not the one that’s constantly coming on here telling everyone how right you are… Read more »

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

What stat backs that up? Such bs man. It’s ok to be wrong Dave. I promise you, I wont think less of you. Give me a bit and I’ll compare rookie numbers, coverage, run defense and pass rush, for both Josh Allen and Devin White. Should be interesting.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

You’re the one wrong dude. You’ll just never admit you are. Here’s a link of yahoo sports basically saying exactly what I’m saying about Allen. Just a part time pass down pass rusher who does little else. And Read above. Every single counting stat. Sacks, FF, FR, PD, TFL. Oh and please. I’d love to see those numbers. Please do

Dave
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Here’s another article also saying the same thing I said about Allen. And these are just the links I can find. Many people said he was a 1 trick pony that just rushed the passer, and had sack success because of Calais and Yannick. http://insider.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/28517018/ranking-nfl-most-productive-2019-rookie-classes-1-32

BigSombrero
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

I don’t disagree with a lot of what you said, but you too have a hard time seeing another point of view and admitting you’re wrong Dave.

Dave
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

As do you, as do many. But I don’t go out making outrageous claims. I don’t say things that are absurd or completely inaccurate. Nothing I said is untrue, or completely false. I said Vea vs James is clearly an open debate. And I said I’d take White over Allen any day of the week. I also said he was the better player in the 2nd half. And lastly I said I’d take Jensen over Scherffs going forward. I also said Allen was one dimensional last year, and was mostly a situational pass rusher. He says I’m wrong. I’ve found… Read more »

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Everyone does not call it the right pick. I’d love to go on posting all the links I’ve read about Allen being better than White. I’ve also read a bunch of articles saying White cant tackle and takes bad angles. Also can’t cover a damn thing! Right pick I guess… I dont care if anyone else believes me Dave. That would be the only reason you post them. You do a great job of playing to a crowd at least! Pro Bowls, All Pros, and end of season accolades speak for themselves.

BigSombrero
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

I would take Vea over James, but I think D-Line is harder to find. I would take Allen over White…same reason. The guy is great at pass rush and coverage. He’s just scratching the surface and the surface is good. That said, White impressed in his rookie season. Regarding OL, I like Jensen’s nasty ass demeanor and I will sign off on the whistle penalties when protecting/enforcing for his QB, but Scherff is a bad ass when he’s able to play.

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Not once did I say anything absurd or completely inaccurate either. Different ways of looking at things.

Dave
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

As right as you may be, if I turn out to be wrong on a player I think is primed for a great year, I’ll fully admit I’m wrong. I’ve done it multiple times on here. Most notably Jameis. I was all for him, and defended him every step of the way. Then last year happened, and I was all out. I was dead wrong. I can be wrong everyone can be

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Yahoo sports is the worst source of sports analysis you could possibly find. The absolute worst! Many other sites have White still not being able to tackle and missing his gaps. Allen had the 2nd most amount of pressures of all rookies, right behind Nick Bosa. Sky is the limit for him.

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

And for the record, Shaq had 2 players taking doubles in front of him the 2nd half of the season.

Spitfire
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Another not even alternate but backup to the alternate Pro Bowl performance? Maybe

Dave
Reply to  Spitfire
1 year ago

Seriously! Allen only made it because half the AFC turned it down lol

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Spitfire
1 year ago

Did Devin White have 10 sacks or better, or even an equivalent? Absolutely not.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Umm id sure hope not, he’s a LB not an end. Using that ridiculous logic, did Allen get 90 tackles? Lol. So you must be one of those empty stats are everything guys. When he came back healthy for the 2nd half, he was the better player. Wipdee doo, Allen was good enough to take advantage of constant 1 on 1’s in passing downs to total 10 sacks. And he was even better to make a pro bowl because nobody else wanted to do it. Let’s induct him into the HOF now

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Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Did Allen have 90 tackles or better? I think not!

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Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Seriously, this drives me nuts when I hear this. What has Derwin James done to be on this list? Because he hasn’t done anything yet. What, he had a really solid rookie year, followed by an injury riddled year 2, where he wasn’t very good when healthy. Honestly, I don’t care what grade pff gives him for last year, I watched the games. He was average at best, when he was healthy. His playmaking ability was basically non existent. He had no INT’s, 1 PD, 0 sacks, no QB hits, and allowed 14 catches on 15 targets(93%) Its ridiculous to… Read more »

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

If you meant to say really solid rookie year= NFL All Pro year, then I completely understand you. Lol. He was never 100% all last year and still did better than most of these rookies and 2nd year players per PFF.

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NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Dave by any metric, what has Vea or White done to be on this list. Oh wait….

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Yeah because he played bad the final 5 games, he was never fully healthy. If he played great, he would have been healthy. Makes sense lol. Yeah he really filled up the box scores those final 5 games. All you see is zeros across the board. He was invisible out there. And I watched the games, and didn’t just read the box score. His PFF grade for those 5 games is a complete joke. Anyone that watched him play would say the same thing. He clearly wasn’t even half the player he was his rookie year

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

So again, you’re penalizing him for being injured. Same argument Dave in different words. No awards for Vea, no awards for White. NFL All Pro James, Pro Bowl Josh Allen. Anything else?

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

And you didnt answer my question as to why Devin White or Vita Vea should be on the list, but they’re not, so I guess it’s a moot point.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

I didn’t answer your question because you’re writing like 6 or 7 replies every 5 minutes. It’s kind of hard to remember them all. Plus my kid woke up, so I do have to do other things in my life. I never ever at any point suggested that White should be on this list. In fact I never even said that Vea should either lol. So exactly what is your question? All I said was Derwin James shouldn’t be on this list, and hasn’t done anything yet. And Josh Allen hasnt proven at all that White over him was a… Read more »

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NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

You’re arguing that Vea was a better pick than James. James is an All Pro and Vea isn’t. Simple as that. We will see with White and Allen, and being a Bucs fan, I hope you’re right, but I dont think so.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

And find me where I said that Vea is a better player than James. You’re very good at twisting my words around, I’ll give you that. I said if you based it off LAST YEAR, Vea was the right pick. I also said James shouldn’t be on the list because he hasn’t done enough yet. Vea barely played his rookie year because he was injured before the season started. Last year he was a beast. First year Derwin James was a beast. Last year, he missed 11 games, then came back and was a shell of himself. So based off… Read more »

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Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Ummm pro bowl alternate to the alternate to the alternate lol. Get it right. I’m sure he hung that award proudly on his wall lol. Talk to me when he’s an all pro

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Pro Bowl is a Pro Bowl. I’m sure White would have taken it, but it DIDN’T HAPPEN!

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

But Derwin hung his All Pro up there proudly for sure.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

I’m sure he did. At least he can say he was an all pro. Allen was like the 5th choice for a pro bowl alternate lol.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Nope it definitely isn’t. 3rd or 4th alternate is a joke. Nobody cares about the pro bowl. If players took it seriously, he wouldn’t have been there. I can’t believe I’m actually having this conversation lol

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Which alternate was White again? Oh wait…

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

If it’s a backup of the backup of the backup I could care less if White made it. I never claimed he should have been. But calling Allen a pro bowl player is so ridiculously misleading it’s not even funny. Because he was not a pro bowl player last year. If all the selected players didn’t skip or get hurt, he had a 0.0 % chance of making it. Same as White. That’s all that matters to me. Talk to me after this upcoming season. I’m extremely confident who the better player will be

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

And also, players definitely care about the Pro Bowl. Many have stipulations written into their contracts that if they make the Pro Bowl they get a bonus, along with getting the payment for playing the game. Suggesting that the Pro Bowl is less than nothing, is ridiculous.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

They absolutely positively do NOT care. Half the league backs out every year. That’s so completely false

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Love to see that stat of half the league backing out of the Pro Bowl. Link?

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Well 28 selected players didn’t play this year. Probably 10 or so were SB team players. So roughly 18 players didn’t play. And that’s without knowing who declined to be a replacement which nobody, including me, has any way of knowing. Happens every year

DonkeyHunter
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

White wasn’t the right pick with Allen on the board.

Just stop.

Dave
Reply to  DonkeyHunter
1 year ago

Yes it was. Every analyst that doesn’t work for the Bucs or the Jaguars said we got the right guy. He’s one dimensional. White does everything, as evidenced by the filled out boxscores from week 7 and on

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DonkeyHunter
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

White does everything?

I mean, if you’re counting being a huge liability in coverage, taking bad angles, poor tackling technique, etc…then I guess you are right.

Edge rushers are the most important position in football behind QB and LT.

You simply don’t pass on an elite edge rush prospect like Allen for an off-ball LB…unless his name is Kuechly.

Dave
Reply to  DonkeyHunter
1 year ago

As opposed to Allen who can’t do anything but beat his 1 on 1’s created by Calais and Yannick. You have a really warped view of White’s play. He struggled in the first half due to multiple injuries, but was great in the 2nd half. And we were 7th in sacks as a team. So an elite pass rusher wasn’t a dire need. We still have Shaq, JPP, David, and Vea. We’ll be fine there. No analyst or expert thinks that we made the wrong pick. You can have Allen, I’ll take White any day, with zero hesitation

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DonkeyHunter
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

If I have a warped view of White’s play, then your view is nothing more than a homer take.

You’re focused on the stats and not the actual play.

I’ll take the elite edge prospect all day, any day, with zero hesitation.

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Go read the scouting report coming out of college on Allen and tell us that Dave. Situational rusher lmao. Soon enough you’ll see just how valuable Josh Allen is in Jacksonville. I dont know how many articles I’ve read that corroborate what DonkeyHunter just said about White. It’s a lot btw. EVERY EXPERT?!? Uh huh. I’ve got beach front property to sell you in Idaho also.

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Every analyst lol. I promise you Dave, one day you will actually spew factual statements out of your mouth(or your fingers) and I will be there, cheering you on. Today is not that day. Also, if you were focused on stats you would be talking about Josh Allen’s 10.5 sacks and second most pressures among rookies, behind the already great Bosa. White wasn’t the best rookie at all this past year, and broad sweeping claims about every sports writer doesnt make what you say true, it just makes you a good ole homer.

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  DonkeyHunter
1 year ago

Damn right ! Absolutely amazing to think the Bucs would pass on Allen, who was the elite edge rusher in the draft that year after Bosa, for White. White needs to be Patrick Willis or Luke Kuechly for the pick to be justifiable, like you said.

BucRy
1 year ago

I just don’t get it. No Shaq Barrett cause he needs to do it one more year to show he isn’t a one year wonder while you guys have Chris Godwin, Justin Simmons, Derwin James and Nick Bosa on it. I’m not saying that they aren’t top players, but shouldn’t they also need one more year to show that they aren’t one year wonders as well? Godwin and Simmons just broke out last year, bosa was a rookie and derwin James missed a lot of time due to injury and only has his rookie year under him that shows he’s… Read more »

Dave
Reply to  BucRy
1 year ago

Can’t understand why you’re grouping Godwin in with Bosa and Simmons. Godwin broke out 2 years ago with 60 rec for 850 yds and 7 TD’s, 14.3 ypc, and an 80.5 pff grade while only starting 5 games. He’s already proven it twice. How many years does he have to prove it, 5? 10? Lol. There’s also a huge difference between Shaq and Godwin’s situation. Shaq has been in the league 6 years, and didn’t break out until year 6. Godwin finally got decent playing time in the 2nd half of his year 2, and took full advantage, breaking out… Read more »

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BucRy
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Godwin doesn’t have to prove anything, my point was just that they put players on the list who only has one year of being considered an elite player but still chose to keep Barrett off the list. Godwin is awesome so I’m not taking anything away from him, us bucs fans knew about him before the rest of the league did. Their criteria for making the list just seems to be Inconsistent to me, that’s all my friend.

Dave
Reply to  BucRy
1 year ago

I agree with that. As far as Godwin being elite, you’re right. Even though he broke out year 2, he wasn’t elite yet, even if the entire football world knew he was on his way to being elite. But 100% agree that the criteria for this list is incredibly inconsistent. No doubt about it. Shaq should be on this list

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

Godwin was ascending before his breakout season though imo. He had 842 yards and 7 tds before his breakout year with Arians and Leftwich calling the plays. Bosa, Simmons and possibly Derwin James should have gotten another look. Absolutely no excuse for Shaq to not be on there. I believe Bosa got all the credit for changing the 49ers defense into a monster, but it had a bunch of talent on it already.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Out all 40-50 posts you wrote, this will go down as the only one I agree with

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

I take it back. Is there a delete button? Lol

Spitfire
1 year ago

I don’t know how you could exclude last years sack leader and include Nick Bosa after one ok year. They both have one full starting year and Barrett has more experience and led the freakin league in sacks. So there’s no argument about a one year wonder, Nick Bosa has high expectations but hasn’t shined enough yet to make the list over Barrett. I appreciate your candor when evaluating players but this was a bad move in my opinion.

Dave
Reply to  Spitfire
1 year ago

Seriously man. I have no idea if this list was made as a whole, and they just broke it down by position to make it easier to read. If that’s the case, and they really just voted on who they think the top 100 overall players are, regardless of position, I have a huge issue with Shaq not being on the list. I can pick at least 15 players based off where they are NOW, that shouldn’t be on this list. Most of them have either not proven anything yet, have also had 1 really good season sprinkled in with… Read more »

plopes808
1 year ago

This team will be much better represented on this list come next year. Fringe benefits of the spotlight TB and Gronk are bringing.

jerseybucsfan
1 year ago

The usual copycat biased list. You guys sink any lower and we can start calling this the Prisco Report.

NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  jerseybucsfan
1 year ago

They need to stop doing these lists! Everyone can make one, and everyone believes their’s is the best. Too many!!

BigSombrero
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Meanwhile, this thread has 100 replies at this point.

Lists are all we can do at this time of year. Especially with no practices to report on.

Dave
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

And probably 85 of them are from me and FireLicht lol

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NaplesFan2.0
Reply to  Dave
1 year ago

As long as we all know I’m right, idc… lmaooo. Jk Dave

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Lmao. You feel you’re right, I feel I am. But we both know that neither of us, no matter how many stats or similar opinions are produced, are going to change our minds lol. And that’s ok. But the beautiful thing about our debate is, it can still be done without malice or anger, and we both have the ability to be right in time. Only thing that will answer them is time. I’ve been wrong plenty before, believe me, and will be again. Nobody bats 1.000 lol. However, one thing i will say, I’m not biased or a homer.… Read more »

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NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Just for reference everyone, the way Dave and I chose to evaluate players was based on off grade. Derwin James got an 82. something grade for the 5 games he played last year. Not far off the 89 he put up the year before.

Dave
Reply to  NaplesFan2.0
1 year ago

Like I’ve said. I like pff grades as a reference. I think as much as you can come up with a grade, it’s as close to accurate as any grade can actually be. Sometimes I think their grades are spot on, sometimes I think their grades are way off. I’m just saying I personally got stuck watching Chargers games because my best friend is a Chargers fan. And I think his pff grade from the 5 games he played, was way too generous. I think he looked like he was clearly still hurt. His natural athleticism looked zapped, he looked… Read more »

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