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FAB 2. 7 Second-Round Prospects The Bucs Would Love

Four of the seven Bucs draft prospects we featured in Fab 1 were offensive tackles. Chances are that Tampa Bay sticks with offense on Day 2 in the second round and addresses the need for another running back to put in tandem with Ronald Jones II. The second round should be loaded with top rushers and a few guards that could help with Tampa Bay’s ground game. Let’s take a look.

Wisconsin RB Jonathan Taylor – Junior

When it’s all said and done, Taylor should be drafted in the first round. All he’s done is average 2,000 yards per season over his three years at Wisconsin. Saquon Barkley was a Top 5 pick in the 2018 NFL Draft, and rushed for just 3,843 yards with 43 touchdowns in his three-year career, while averaging 5.7 yards per carry. Taylor rushed for 6,174 yards and 50 touchdowns, while averaging 6.7 yards per carry in the same conference. He wasn’t asked to do as much as a receiver as Barkley was at Penn State, but the 5-foot-11, 219-pound Taylor caught 26 passes for 252 yards and five TDs last year. With size, speed, acceleration, good vision and tackle-breaking ability, Taylor is the best running back in the draft. The Bucs may have to trade up to get him.

Ohio State RB J.K. Dobbins – Junior

Dobbins, a compact 5-foot-11, 217-pound rusher, topped 2,000 yards last year after a pair of back-to-back 1,000-yard seasons at Ohio State. Dobbins had 38 career touchdowns on the ground and another five through the air after catching 71 passes for 645 yards in three years with the Buckeyes. Dobbins gives supreme effort, and his 6.7 yards per carry average in 2019 was a product of his ability to slip tackles and break tackles for yards after contact. If Taylor is gone by the time the Buccaneers pick, Dobbins would be a great Plan B option at running back.

LSU Clyde Edwards-Helaire – Junior

At 5-foot-8, 209 pounds, Edwards-Helaire is a bigger version of the multi-talented Darren Sproles. Edwards-Helaire helped fuel LSU to an undefeated national championship season by leading the SEC in rushing with 1,414 yards and 16 touchdowns, while averaging 6.6 yards per carry. Edwards-Helaire had to bide his time and wait until his junior campaign to be the Tigers’ feature back, but it was worth it. In addition to his ability to dodge defenders and rip through arm tackles with a powerful low center of gravity, Edwards-Helaire is also accomplished in the passing game. He caught 55 passes for 453 yards and one touchdown in just 2019, and would be a perfect fit in Bruce Arians’ offense in Tampa Bay as a second-round pick.

Penn State EDGE Yetur Gross-Matos

Gross-Matos is a very polished pass rusher that wins with his hands and technique as much as he does with his long arms and 6-foot-5, 264-pound frame. Gross-Matos has a wide array of pass-rush moves and can bend the edge on the outside or slip blockers and work to the quarterback with inside rushes. Gross-Matos has ideal size to play outside in Todd Bowles’ 3-4 scheme, as well as enough size to rush inside in a four-man nickel pass rush. Gross-Matos has been a model of consistency over the past two seasons at Penn State, totaling 34.5 tackles for loss and 17 sacks.

LSU G Damien Lewis – Senior

When watching Edwards-Helaire highlights one cannot help but notice Lewis, who paved the way for so many of those big runs. Lewis has some limitations athletically and from a movement standpoint, but at 6-foot-2, 329 pounds, he’s a physical mauler in the run game. LSU’s running game often consisted of running behind Lewis, who is a two-year starter and one of the better Tigers offensive linemen to come out in some time. Lewis had a dominant Senior Bowl and his stock is on the rise. As much improvement as Alex Cappa showed in 2019, Lewis would be an upgrade on the right side of the offensive line.

Washington QB Jacob Eason – Junior

There is some interest in Eason from the Bucs. Whether Tampa Bay is interested in using the franchise tag on Jameis Winston or signing Philip Rivers to a short-term deal, the team will need to hedge its bets and have another developmental quarterback on the team for the long term. At 6-foot-6, 227 pounds, Eason has the size, arm strength and pocket passer qualities that Arians is attracted to, but he’ll need some time to develop on the bench. While good, Eason wasn’t exactly a big difference-maker at Washington, which went 7-5 last year in the regular season before winning its bowl game. The Bucs are interested, but are they enamored?

Lenoir-Rhyne SS Kyle Dugger – Senior

If you’re read PewterReport.com 2020 Bucs’ 7-Round Mock Draft or PewterReport.com 2020 Bucs’ 7-Round Mock Draft 2.0 you know about Dugger, the small school prospect who had a great showing at the Senior Bowl. At 6-foot, 217 pounds, Dugger would be the biggest safety on Tampa Bay’s roster and would bring speed, ball skills and hard-hitting ability to the secondary. Licht doesn’t shy away from drafting safeties, as he’s done that in each of the last three drafts. Still, the Bucs don’t have a clear-cut starter at either strong or free safety, and Dugger has the ability to play both, plus return punts as he did for the Bears with six touchdowns. If you think the second round is high for Dugger, remember that Licht used a second-round pick on Justin Evans back in 2017.

So there you have it. Keep an eye on these 14 lovely first- and second-round draft prospects for Tampa Bay as they take part in the NFL Scouting Combine, which takes place from February 24 – March 2 in Indianapolis. Maybe the Bucs will meet their match with one of these players come April 23 or 24.

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About the Author: Scott Reynolds

Scott Reynolds is in his 25th year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds spent six years giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his sons' Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: sr@pewterreport.com
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BigSombrero
BigSombrero(@bucwild02)
1 year ago

Glad to see the Bucs have Taylor as their top RB, Dobbins #2, and C.E.H. aka Darren Sproles 2.0 as the 3rd best, with Swift not even listed. I’ve been saying this for 2 months. It’s so obvious to anyone that watches football. Running the football is too important to the overall record of the team to wait until the 3rd round or later to grab a playmaker.

awwdembucs
awwdembucs(@awwdembucs)
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

HOW in the world do see C.E.H as Sproles? Maybe if you watched him play you would not be saying this. Swift will be 1st RB taken then C.E.H.

BigSombrero
BigSombrero(@bucwild02)
Reply to  awwdembucs
1 year ago

Im not the only one that sees it that way. SR compared him to Sproles in the article, although you’ve been reading me write that for over a month. Lol.

Taylor and Dobbins go before CEH and Swift. No doubt.

Swift is tackled on first contact every time. He’s as bad/good as the FSU kid Akers.

awwdembucs
awwdembucs(@awwdembucs)
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

Big let’s go old school for a comparison. How about Dunn same height, Good hand’s very good running the ball.C.E.H is all these things only stronger.

BigSombrero
BigSombrero(@bucwild02)
Reply to  awwdembucs
1 year ago

I loved Warrick Dunn. He exceeded everyones expectations as a football player and is damn fine example of a human being.

I really like C.E.H., but I just don’t view him as a better RB than Taylor or Dobbins. He is a PR/KR/3rd Down Back in my opinion. I don’t think he can carry an offense with 300+ touches per year like Taylor or Dobbins.

Dunn was a great Buccaneer and formed a great combo with Alstott(WD-40!), but the Bucs won the superbowl the year he left with Mike Pittman.

geno711
geno711(@geno711)
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

I am not following you. Does this article say that the Buc’s have Swift lower than the other guys. It says 7 guys the Buc’s would pick in the 1st round (Probably before Swift, Taylor, Dobbins, CEH). Then it goes to 7 guys that the Buc’s would pick in the 2nd round. Just like in the 1st round guys like Wills, Herbert, Simmons and other guys would be gone, maybe Pewter Report is just projecting that Swift will be gone too when the Buc’s pick in the 2nd. Just food for thought. Not known by me but I thought you… Read more »

BigSombrero
BigSombrero(@bucwild02)
Reply to  geno711
1 year ago

I’m not sure where the Bucs have Swift ranked, but I was glad to see him omitted from the article. He put up numbers, but when I watch him, I don’t see tough running. He seems to get tackled on first contact in every game or highlight video I watch. I think of him like RoJo only not as good. Regarding Darrell Henderson, I thought Bruce Arians would draft a RB last year because I wasnt a big believer in Barber and RoJo had an awful rookie season. I projected/bet Henderson(or possibly another RB) to the Bucs in the 5th… Read more »

BigSombrero
BigSombrero(@bucwild02)
1 year ago

Bucs and Jason Licht might remain true to their past draft history and trade down in the 1st. A team like Miami who wants to draft an offensive lineman makes sense. If they trade down from 14 to 18, the could pick up the Dolphins 3rd round pick based on the trade value chart. They could also move OJ Howard for a player or draft pick. I’ve speculated that Indy makes a lot of sense. They have a poor fit with FS Malik Hooker in their zone defense and have an opening after losing TE Eric Ebron this year. Malik… Read more »

Dman
Dman(@dman)
1 year ago

I like the OT RD1 options, and although I’m not a fan of taking a RB that high, if Jonathan Taylor is there, can’t see passing him up – agree with BigSom he may be the best TB in the draft.

BigSombrero
BigSombrero(@bucwild02)
1 year ago

As of this writing, the Bucs have the most cap space going into 2020 season according to Spotrac with $85 million. Franchising Winston is off the table, regardless of the cap situation. Here’s why: The franchise tag cost is the average of the top 5 paid players at the position in 2020, not 2019. There are expected to be some very large deals signed this offseason with the looming CBA being redone after 2020. If Mahomes and Prescott sign new deals, they are expected to be around $35 million per year, maybe more. As it stands with current deals, it… Read more »

FLBoy84
FLBoy84(@flboy84)
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

Pretty sure it’s based on the cap hit in each year, not the overall salary average, which makes sense when looking at the 2019 tag amount and prior years. The QB tag in 2019 was $24.864M, and historically rises $2M or so each year. It is not going up $10M in one year, no matter how badly you want Winston to get paid. :) https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback/2020/

BigSombrero
BigSombrero(@bucwild02)
Reply to  FLBoy84
1 year ago

After looking at your link, its the same numbers I put up yesterday when we discussed. I went back today and there were new figures. That being said, I think there is some validity to the franchise tag formula that Im not factoring or we aren’t finding. I was reading something on one of the normal sites like NFL.com or ESPN and they were saying it could be $34 million this year. I just parrotted it and found the salary chart to verify how it made sense. Anyway, I hope the tag is more reasonable like you say. And for… Read more »

FLBoy84
FLBoy84(@flboy84)
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

Understood. After re-reading what I typed realized I was off base with what I said about you and Winston. There’s no damn edit option on here or I would’ve corrected it lol. QB decision aside, do think we have enough $$ to resign most of our priority guys and still grab a couple quality FA’s. Due to the fact that 3 of the top 5 cap hits in 2020 right now are OL’men (all making $10M+), hard to see Lewan becoming the 4th though. Like Lewan, but that would be a extremely poor allotment of the the resources we have.… Read more »

Buc-in-Philly Fan
Buc-in-Philly Fan(@tazliver)
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

If we don’t sign Winston and we make the HORRIBLE decision to bring in Rivers, we will be spending that same amount and will have the same detrimental impact.

None of the scenarios look good…

PewterHeart
PewterHeart(@allanh1)
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

This is crazy, we are talking about MILLIONS. Giving so much money to one man for playing a game not to mention one position, like handing out monopoly money- it’s just paper..I know there is the business side to it but geez..

BigSombrero
BigSombrero(@bucwild02)
Reply to  PewterHeart
1 year ago

Just think of what the owners make and they don’t even get hit!

PewterHeart
PewterHeart(@allanh1)
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

I bet!

Smoov
Smoov(@00-smoov)
Reply to  PewterHeart
1 year ago

Dude the franchise makes BILLIONS sitting what are you talking about really? You don’t get the business side at all actually.

PewterHeart
PewterHeart(@allanh1)
Reply to  Smoov
1 year ago

And I suppose you do?

DerLutz
DerLutz(@lutzgermany)
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

The exclusive Franchise Tag is About 33 mio, the non-exclusiv About 27mio.
Nobody Pays 2 First rounder for Winston so the Bucs will use the non-exclusive. And if so, i’m still fine

BigSombrero
BigSombrero(@bucwild02)
Reply to  LutzGermany
1 year ago

Thanks for the info on the distinction between the two! Makes more sense. Tagging system is a confusing. I knew I heard someone of note say it was approaching $34M, I just didn’t remember the “exclusive” distinction!

Captain Sly
Captain Sly(@captain-sly)
1 year ago

Scott made a good point about Jon Gruden taking Cadillac Williams over DeMarcus Ware. Gruden has always been a terrible talent evaluator and still is. So unless Ezekiel Elliott is in the board when we pick I am passing on RB.
Now that huge LSU OG Damien Lewis that’s a nasty pick right there. You want to get me excited pick Kinlaw in the 1st and OG Lewis in 2nd then call me when we’re in the Playoffs.

BigSombrero
BigSombrero(@bucwild02)
Reply to  Captain Sly
1 year ago

Dobbins rushed for more yards than Zeke. Dobbins is the all time leading rusher at Ohio State.

Captain Sly
Captain Sly(@captain-sly)
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

Yeah but Zeke is special the passing game. Also Zeke is excellent in pass protection, Dobbins is a 2 Down Back in Arians System.

tbb345
tbb345(@tbb345)
Reply to  Captain Sly
1 year ago

Dobbins is also very good in the passing game.

Elliott was a better prospect no doubt but not for the reasons you’re coming up with

10lbbass
10lbbass
Reply to  Captain Sly
1 year ago

Dobbins is a better side to side runner than Zeke. He is going to be special.

martinii
martinii(@martinii)
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

While I am an OSU alum and very partial to Dobbins Taylor would also be a great pick. It always amazes me than fans who surely remember Mike Allstot, Barry Sanders, Hershell Walker, Walter Payton, Eric Dickerson, Emmitt Smith, O.J., Jim Brown to mention a few have this illusion that a team doesn’t need a top running back. While some teams ground it out with a good OL there are still many examples of teams that a top RB can put the team on his back. I have NO problem drafting one in RD1.

BigSombrero
BigSombrero(@bucwild02)
Reply to  martinii
1 year ago

I couldn’t agree more. Get a 3 down stud who is highly coveted and don’t look back. It helps the QB, it helps the defense, it helps keep opposing defenses honest, it helps the coaches by opening up the playbook.

If Kansas City, San Fran, Baltimore, Tennessee, or Seattle get the chance, they will ABSOLUTELY draft Taylor and Dobbins. They know how important it is to continue succeeding.

SenileSenior
SenileSenior(@xpfcwintergreen)
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

Amen!

geno711
geno711(@geno711)
Reply to  martinii
1 year ago

I accept your opinion. I just think this is a better draft for offensive tackles than running backs.

We also need to invest more in the defense not just the offense. Can’t fix all the weaknesses in one season.

Dman
Dman(@dman)
Reply to  Captain Sly
1 year ago

Caddy was a heck of a back and if not for bizarre patellar tendon tears in both knees was off to a promising career. His cleats are in the HOF as the first rookie RB to rush for three consecutive 100 yard games and most yards in first three weeks by a rookie. Despite missing two games, he was Offensive Rookie of the Year leading all rookie RB’s with 1,178 yards – ahead of Ronnie Brown and Cedric Benson, the backs selected ahead of him. Now, you might have preferred Demarcus Ware – and I get that. But to say… Read more »

matador
matador(@matador)
Reply to  Captain Sly
1 year ago

Gruden has spent more high picks on linemen in his first two years back with the Raiders than Jason Bust Licht has during his entire, soon to be extinguished, career.

Gruden understands it’s not fantasy football unlike JBL who seems to think the NFL is a version of fantasy football where field goals count for six points and INTs don’t count.

CrackerBall
CrackerBall(@crackerball)
1 year ago

It is my hope that (in the Draft) we could come away with: 1)DT Javon Kinlaw, 2) S Kyle Duggar, 3) OT Ben Bartch and 4) WR Collin Johnson

geno711
geno711(@geno711)
Reply to  CrackerBall
1 year ago

Appreciate your independent thought process CrackerBall. I up voted you. You have to go with how the draft plays out and maybe the top 4 OL guys are gone at 14 and the running backs you like are gone in the 2nd round.

Don’t over reach at any position. Get good value and guys that can play in this league. See nothing wrong with your mock.

Thanks.

cgmaster27
cgmaster27(@cgmaster27)
1 year ago

My dream scenerio is mekhi in the first ,gross in the second ,and akers or swift in the third. That way you get 3 positions of need with 3 good players. Which means well probably draft a safety in the first. Which would just piss me off.

Dman
Dman(@dman)
Reply to  cgmaster27
1 year ago

Like your top three picks. Hope we don’t draft Mark Barron again…..

FLBoy84
FLBoy84(@flboy84)
Reply to  Dman
1 year ago

Or Da’Quan Bowers. Not saying Kinlaw is Bowers, but nobody thought Bowers would end up like Bowers when we drafted him either. Physical specimen talk always worries me a bit. Can sometimes get guy enamored with themselves instead of developing as players. Trev Albert, Mike Mamula, Tony Mandarich, etc. come to mind.

Spitfire
Spitfire(@spitfire)
Reply to  FLBoy84
1 year ago

Exactly, that’s why I’d rather not Draft anyone anymore based off of Measurements and “Ceiling” when they take plays off and have terrible footwork etc. I want guys that worked hard, produced, play smart and had a non-stop motor against good competition.

Hockey Duckie
Hockey Duckie(@hockey-duckie)
Reply to  Dman
1 year ago

Barron was a very good talent that fit a specific scheme – Schiano’s defense. Barron was utilized in many different situations in Schiano’s defensive scheme. If you like S Derwin James, then how do you hate on S Mark Barron when their usage was virtually the same? The unfortunate part for Barron was a coaching change that included a defensive scheme change as well. Do you recall who that new coach was? Lovie Smith. Lovie took Schiano’s team, had a fire sale to get his own players, and concluded with the 1st overall pick in 2015. How can you do… Read more »

Dman
Dman(@dman)
Reply to  Hockey Duckie
1 year ago

Don’t hate Barron, just don’t think he was worth a first round pick.

Hockey Duckie
Hockey Duckie(@hockey-duckie)
Reply to  Dman
1 year ago

Hindsight is 20/20.

Guess you can say the same about any first round player that didn’t work out, including the 1st overall pick in 2015, who was Jameis Winston.

Easy to say that now, but not so when he was drafted.

matador
matador(@matador)
Reply to  Hockey Duckie
1 year ago

Good post HD

Dman
Dman(@dman)
Reply to  Hockey Duckie
1 year ago

Didn’t like the pick then, haven’t changed my mind, nothing 20/20 about it. Glad you liked the player, and yeah, almost every draft pick can be hit or miss. But back in 2012 I was pulling for us to draft Luke Kuechly. And I was a draft supporter for Vita Vea over Derwin James, so shoot me.

Hockey Duckie
Hockey Duckie(@hockey-duckie)
Reply to  Dman
1 year ago

I liked the pick as it was made to counter the TEs in our division. FBO Defensive rankings 2012: Rush = 3rd, Pass = 26th 2013: Rush = 8th, Pass = 11th The numbers don’t lie. Barron was a part of that passing defense. Luke would have been a great get, but why do people not give LVD that same respect? Schiano was most happiest at the drafting of LVD in 2012. Regime changes suck because they set back franchises years. Coaches want to implement their system and want players to fit their system. Adapting to players’ traits is a… Read more »

Captain Sly
Captain Sly(@captain-sly)
Reply to  cgmaster27
1 year ago

Why would you be pissed if we drafted a Safety? One of our biggest needs is a Playmaker at Safety. You put an Earl Thomas type on this defense then we’re set for the next 10 years.

cgmaster27
cgmaster27(@cgmaster27)
Reply to  Captain Sly
1 year ago

I only say that because offensive line and defensive line are bigger needs and both impact the game much more than a safety. Heck even derwin James dropped to the middle of the first because the value of a safety is so low compared to other positions. And the offensive line absolutely has to be addressed.

Hockey Duckie
Hockey Duckie(@hockey-duckie)
Reply to  cgmaster27
1 year ago

PFF did a youtube debate a year or two ago on which is important, the pass rush or the pass defense? The statistical analysis revealed that pass defense was more important. In fact, the pattern showed that top end QBs relish when a defense is blitzing because that means there is one less player in the secondary and that is where the QB can exploit. If the QB knows his pre-snap as well as post-snap analysis, then he will know where the open receiver will be. If your DBs are weak, then a good QB and pick apart the secondary.… Read more »

cgmaster27
cgmaster27(@cgmaster27)
Reply to  Hockey Duckie
1 year ago

Yes our defense was 30th in passing but according to dvoa ,our defense was a top 10 defense the second half of the season. Those stats are slightly skewed as we had three rookies and Hargreaves back there defending. Our sack totals are higher because our rushing defense was so good, so teams passed agaisnt us a lot more. Not many qbs will tell you they like to get blitzed. Even the great tom brady will get ratteled once he starts getting hit. You could have 3 revis islands back there and they can still only cover for so long.… Read more »

FLBoy84
FLBoy84(@flboy84)
Reply to  Hockey Duckie
1 year ago

Great points HD. Being that we had the #1 rushing D in the league, teams really had no other option than to pass if they wanted to move the ball down the field though.

Hockey Duckie
Hockey Duckie(@hockey-duckie)
Reply to  Hockey Duckie
1 year ago

@cgmaster27 We had #1 rushing defense, which is great. So that forced the other team to thrown. Eventually, it was easier to throw the ball because we couldn’t stop anyone. That’s the significant and sad part. Now, here’s another sad identification. First 8 games: We faced 5 winning teams. Last 8 games: We faced 2 winning teams. If you aren’t going to take into account Strength of Schedule, then you’re also like Licht. You’re being oblivious to our weaknesses just like Licht was being oblivious that Winston had very little flaws and it was Koetter’s coaching that was bad. We… Read more »

SenileSenior
SenileSenior(@xpfcwintergreen)
Reply to  Hockey Duckie
1 year ago

I feel it is a top priority in free agency for us to find that veteran Safety that can play Bowles scheme well.

Karl Joseph, Justin Simmons, Anthony Harris, Jimmie Ward, Adrian Phillips and Ha Ha Clinton-Dix are in that pool. Surely one of these guys would fit.

Freed from worry about Safety in the early rounds we could focus on OT, RB and DL.
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Go Bucs!!!

tbb345
tbb345(@tbb345)
1 year ago

Biggest Bucs needs (at this point) are: OT RB S/IDL Pass Rusher WR Depth I think Scott pretty much nailed the 7 prospects that the Bucs will be realistically looking at. My only change would be subbing out Jordan Love for K’Lavon Chiasson. IMO, the clear top 4 on the board are (in order): Becton, Kinlaw, Wirfs, Thomas. If those 4 are gone it will be very disappointing. Honestly, in this scenario, I think the best option would be to move back 4-7 spots and take Josh Jones or McKinney. I like both players but I just don’t think either… Read more »

DonkeyHunter
DonkeyHunter(@donkeyhunter)
1 year ago

Passing on Gross-Matos in the 2nd for a RB would be such a Licht move.

If this scenario happens, I hope Bowles drop kicks Jason and hands in the card with Matos’s name on it.

BigSombrero
BigSombrero(@bucwild02)
Reply to  DonkeyHunter
1 year ago

Gross-Matos is awesome. He has a bunch of moves and counters. Okwara reminds me of Spence with one move-speed rush, although Okwara is a willing tackler unlike Spence.

Hockey Duckie
Hockey Duckie(@hockey-duckie)
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

Spence was willing to tackle, but his shoulder was disassociated with that process. ba da bump tshhhhhhhhhhhh

BigSombrero
BigSombrero(@bucwild02)
Reply to  Hockey Duckie
1 year ago

lol

SenileSenior
SenileSenior(@xpfcwintergreen)
1 year ago

Fab 4:
It is great to have you sharing some of your personal background.  Just as I want to know the human side of various players that I love it is great to learn the human side of reporters and media people.

I want to commend you as a professional for guiding PR to a new high in quality as a source for Buccaneer “insider” info.  Since I see a turnaround  happening and a new era dawning rapidly for the Bucs the timing is perfect here in 2020. 

surferdudes
surferdudes(@surferdudes)
1 year ago

How could none of you not have QB as a top need? Ya’ll keep forgetting Jameis is a free agent, so is Gabbert, who knows, or cares what Griffins status is. So as of now we have no QB under contract, I’d say that’s a need. Unless Winston gets a long term deal, drafting a QB would be a must in the first, or second round. Maybe moving back into the first. I don’t think Winston gets a long term deal, nor should he. My guess is still Rivers, and drafting Eason might be the way they go.

Captain Sly
Captain Sly(@captain-sly)
Reply to  surferdudes
1 year ago

I can answer this one!
Because Everybody Knows that Arians won’t start a rookie next year. He has no tolerance or patience for one at this stage of his career. Right, Wrong or indifferent that’s the truth and unless Tua or Borrow fall we’re not drafting a project.

BucRy
BucRy(@bucry)
Reply to  surferdudes
1 year ago

He is a free agent but he can’t get away from being franchise tagged still. The Bucs will not let winston go unless they find another plan.

BigSombrero
BigSombrero(@bucwild02)
Reply to  surferdudes
1 year ago

Arians was asked this week about the high number of QBs that will be available and he said he would be “shocked” if the total is really more than 2. I think the writing is on the wall .

tjhuth
tjhuth(@tjhuth)
Reply to  surferdudes
1 year ago

I agree drafting a QB is a high priority, but if Mekhi is available , he’s too good pass up and would hopefully shore up the blind side for years to come.
I would like a temp QB in FA, a QB in round 2 or 3, and guard as alternative in round 2 or 3.
And if we could get a safety in FA, I’d consider it a fantastic offseason.
Oh yeah, resigning JPP would be good too.

The Wall
The Wall(@the-wall)
1 year ago

Perfect- if it can happen. Becton in the first and Taylor or Edwards Helaire in the second. Sign me up!

Horse
Horse(@horse)
1 year ago

I would never ever pay the kind of money Winston can receive for meeting a 15 intersection goal. I can manipulate math too. My math says for 25 million + he better have 10 interceptions or less.
How desperate are we?

Coach has given us his answer; his focus is to keep the defense intack which makes sense to me.

revfish
revfish(@revfish)
1 year ago

Im not a college expert but after reading the recent PR article on Georgia OT Thomas it seemed that he wasn’t a good fit for us…not athletic and struggles in pass protection whereas It was said OT Jones of Houston is described by PR as very athletic and great in pass protection.

scubog
scubog(@scubog)
1 year ago

Once again all of the Draft speculation focuses on “NEED” and not who the BPA options might be at #14 and who might be available if we trade slightly up or slightly back. I just can’t see a “run” on four OT’s in the top 15. If one of those is graded high enough, I have no issue taking one of them, but please don’t pass on a far superior player at another position. If the player you covet at 14 isn’t worthy of that spot, trade down, get a bit of Draft capital and then pick your guy at… Read more »

BigSombrero
BigSombrero(@bucwild02)
Reply to  scubog
1 year ago

Question is: what do the Bucs need?

Most fans and media think its a RT. Some think its a QB. Some think its a RB. Some think its a DT. Some think its a DE. Some think its a S. I’ve even seen some people mock a CB to Tampa in round 1.

Most of those positions of need will be filled through free agency and not the draft, but which ones? The Bucs will surely solve the QB question with a veteran. That is the only thing I think any of us can take for granted.

BigSombrero
BigSombrero(@bucwild02)
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

Bucs free agency focus could look like this… I would imagine Dot will be retained for 1 more year, but maybe longer. RT problem solved temporarily. No need to overdraft a RT in round 1-2 if this is the case. Taylor Lewan is another rumored possibility. Safety room is full of returning players who are young and liked. D. Dixon and J. Evans can’t be relied on, but can’t be counted out either. This position is likely to be bolstered with a mid level veteran in my opinion, not another young inexperienced player in the draft. Rule out safety in… Read more »

geno711
geno711(@geno711)
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

I believe mostly in the BPA theory but don’t pass on need if you have a couple of players real close. Just a little point. NE spends early draft capital every year on defensive backs. Look it up. They spend less draft capital on rush defensive ends. They play a 3-4 defense. Green Bay spends early draft capital every year on defensive backs. Bucs clearly need a 4th corner on this team (you cannot survive with only 3 – we have seen how bad our pass defense does in the past). Still l believe that we should take BPA but… Read more »

Horse
Horse(@horse)
Reply to  scubog
1 year ago

Scubog; always good points.

scubog
scubog(@scubog)
Reply to  Horse
1 year ago

Thanks Horse. I usually try to inject a little humor and perhaps a bit of sarcasm. It just puzzles me how every Draft season the projected fan and media choices are so overly based on need. I contend that needs can change with one off-season car accident, legal issue, trip playing basketball or even going off the deep end. We’ve had all of those happen. What I want to know isn’t who the last remaining OT is at # 14, but which group of players are worthy of being selected at that point. Of course there would be a lean… Read more »

Horse
Horse(@horse)
Reply to  scubog
1 year ago

BPA, if possible. Signing our 3- 4 DL again will allow other doors to open .

Alldaway 2.0
Alldaway 2.0(@alldaway)
1 year ago

Most drafted safeties are not sure fire starters. Edwards and J. Evans are good examples of this. The safety position is way more about discipline and cerebral play. I think the PR staff has fallen into the trap believing the Bucs need an impact player at safety with size and speed. But what they fail to miss is that Whitehead, J. Evans and Edwards are incredibly gifted athletes with more NFL experience than a green rookie. Unless the Bucs burn a 1st round pick on a safety I do not see no rookie safety coming in and beating out Dixon,… Read more »

fredster
fredster(@fredster)
1 year ago

Hoping we get best RT available period in first Rd as long as deemed worthy of the pick and can plug and play now. I am so frigging tired of watching this team fail to be able to run the ball with any consistency. So Winston’s magic int. number To make playoffs is 15 int.? Yes, Arians already said this beginning of last year. He said 1 per game which I can do Simple math and conclude it is 16int. He already has thrown 15 or fewer 3 years , but now In his second year in this offense, with… Read more »

fredster
fredster(@fredster)
1 year ago

I hate drafting another safety now or any secondary pick again, but Evans is starting to look like the next Beckwith that never gets healthy again. That sucks for him and Bucs fans for sure

Smoov
Smoov(@00-smoov)
1 year ago

If we just run the ball sorta like his rookie year as you hinted at he will then throw for the fewest INTs in a 16 game season we’ve neglected it each year after. Throwing fewer than 12 INTs isn’t the formula to the Superbowl nor does it happen without the other parts of the team being efficient.

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