FAB 2. Winston’s Turnovers Must Stop

“Today we got a win – that’s hard to get when you’re minus-three in turnovers,” said Tampa Bay head coach Dirk Koetter after a 26-23 overtime win against Cleveland on Sunday.

The Bucs got a win to end a three-game losing streak, and quarterback Jameis Winston got his first victory of the year, too. Winston had his worst game of the season as a passer, completing 61.5 percent of his passes for 365 yards with zero touchdowns and two interceptions. Winston also had a fumble, although it’s tough to blame him for that as Browns defensive end Myles Garrett beat left tackle Donovan Smith off the ball.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Sunday’s game marked the third straight game with two interceptions since returning to action from a three-game suspension to start the season. Through two and a half games, Winston has been a turnover machine with six interceptions and a fumble against five touchdown passes and a rushing touchdown.

Simply put, the Bucs won’t be winning more games in the future unless the turnovers stop.

But this is Winston we’re talking about, and he’s been a walking turnover this season, and that’s disappointing considering he played turnover-free football in the preseason. I thought perhaps Winston had turned a corner when it came to protecting the football.

Nope.

This is who Winston was entering the NFL, and that’s who he’s continued to be, unfortunately.

Turnover. Machine.

Unless he starts to play more conservatively, the Bucs aren’t going to get out of the NFC South cellar anytime soon. Take a look at the quarterback play going on elsewhere in the division.

New Orleans’ Drew Brees has been turnover-free through the first six games of the year with 13 touchdowns and no interceptions and fumbles. Brees has led the Saints to a 5-1 record.

Panthers QB Cam Newton - Photo by: Getty Images
Panthers QB Cam Newton – Photo by: Getty Images

Carolina is 4-2 this season and second in the division thanks to Cam Newton, who has 11 touchdowns and four interceptions. Newton has had three turnover-free games and it’s no surprise that the Panthers are undefeated in those games.

Atlanta is 3-4 and currently last in the NFC South, but Matt Ryan hasn’t necessarily been the problem. Ryan has 15 touchdowns, only two interceptions and one fumble. The Falcons are 3-1 in games in which Ryan has not had a turnover.

Do you see the difference between the other NFC South quarterbacks and Winston? He has all the talent in the world, he can make all the throws and is a tremendous leader, but Winston simply can’t turn the ball over with such a high frequency rate.

History suggests that Winston won’t stop committing turnovers.

But he must.

In fact, Winston is getting worse when it comes to turnovers in his fourth year as the Bucs’ starter.

In 2015, which was his rookie campaign, Winston had seven games with no interceptions and the Bucs were 4-3 in those games. In that year, Winston had six games with no turnovers and Tampa Bay was 4-2 in those contests.

The next year, Winston only had five games with no interceptions. The team was 3-2 in those games. But Winston only had three games without a turnover that season and the Bucs were 2-1 in those outings.

Last year, Winston had a career-best eight games without an interception and Tampa Bay had a 2-6 record in those games – thanks in part to a porous defense, but also part of the reason was because he had a career-high seven fumbles. Factoring in those fumbles, Winston had just four games with no turnovers and the Bucs were only 2-2 in those contests.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston - Photo by: Getty Images
Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Getty Images

To summarize Winston’s career, he is 9-11 in games with no interceptions, but more importantly, Winston is 8-5 in games with no turnovers. For the Bucs to win, they need Winston to start playing turnover-free football on a regular basis.

Especially this year, as Tampa Bay’s defense has struggled to create takeaways. Through six games the Bucs have just one interception and five fumble recoveries. The simple math suggests the Bucs will lose the turnover battle in each game 2:1 if this trend continues.

Keep in mind that Ryan Fitzpatrick still leads the Bucs with 11 touchdowns and five interceptions in three and a half games of action. Winston has yet to play up to the level that Fitzpatrick was at during Tampa Bay’s 2-0 start.

Winston is doing a couple of things right this year. He’s in much better control over his emotions. He’s completing passes at a higher percentage. He’s also wearing a glove that will help him hang on to the ball in the pocket while getting sacked so he avoids costly fumbles.

It just comes down to Winston’s decision-making. It’s not making risky throws down the middle of the field into coverage. It’s about not taking sacks where fumbles could occur and learning to throwing the ball away instead and live to fight another down.

Cincinnati’s Andy Dalton, who has been much maligned over his eight-year career for being streaky, already has eight interceptions this year, but he has 15 touchdowns, too. If Winston is going to continue to turn the ball over twice per game, he needs to have more games like he did in Atlanta with four touchdowns and two picks to help offset those interceptions and give the Bucs a chance to win.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR
Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Packers Hall of Fame quarterback Brett Favre was also a turnover machine as he threw 336 career interceptions, but also had 508 career touchdowns. More importantly, Favre found a way to overcome those turnovers and win games at the end, which is something Winston needs to do a better job of, as he’s 19-28 as a starting quarterback. Of course, Favre played with a much better defense led by Hall of Fame pass rusher Reggie White.

The Bucs defense showed signs of life under new defensive coordinator Mark Duffner last week, but this unit has struggled to create takeaways this year. Until the defense proves it can come away with interceptions and fumble recoveries on a regular basis, Winston must play more conservatively for Tampa Bay to win in Cincinnati and for the rest of the season. He needs to do more to aid his own team and stop helping the Bucs’ opponents.

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Scott Reynolds is in his 24th year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds spent six years giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his son's Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: [email protected]

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No Shady McCoy, please. Guy is a monster for what he did to his girlfriend. Plus, what would he do behind this O-line? Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Agree. Shady is not the guy anymore. He might have 1 season left. Let him go somewhere else and be someone else’s headache. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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We have to give Winston – heck any QB a decent running game before we can evaluate him. Most of his interceptions are in the middle of the field where linebackers drop into coverage. Those become easy throws when linebackers don’t drop into coverage and actually try to stop the run. No team fears our running and hence are happy to drop their linebackers. We have no play action, we can’t run from from Shot gun hence passing the ball becomes that more difficult. But yes he needs to make better decisions and throw the ball away or take a… Read more »

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This is his forth year, and he’s knocking on the door of setting a NFL turn over record. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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And in those 4 years what was our running record? I’m not saying he is awesome or anything but if you want to cut down his turnovers then start helping him with a run game so that he will throw less. Oh btw that will also help our defense. Stats don’t tell you the whole story. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Amen jlog! Winston had a pretty good runner his rookie year and still tossed 15 picks. As a rookie, you get a pass. Three years on and with recent rules changes and new schemes a franchise QB who wants to get paid needs one trait above all others — accuracy. Great and even good WRs can be unstoppable with today’s pick (oops, I mean “rub”) routes, favorable PI rules and RPO schemes. All those positives go out the window when you beat yourself with off-target throws. JW has all the arm strength and mobility he needs, but even with his… Read more »

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Let’s face it, the BUCS are in trouble. The defensive injuries are just brutal through the first 6 games, and they have to make it through 10 more games with a patchwork group & a shit load of rookies starting. I got to believe more injuries are coming with 3/4 of the season left. Not being able to run the ball at all is killing the offense. The BUCS caught their opponents off guard the first 2 weeks, but the NFL quickly adjusts. Winston certainly doesn’t look the same as he did at the end of 2017, but you ask… Read more »

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Consider this – When Drew Brees, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Phillip Rivers, Jared Goff or Aaron Rodgers throws it 40-50 times in a game, they win. Those QB’s have been very efficient when throwing it a bunch this season. Only Goff has a legit rushing attack this year that could single handedly win a game for the team. The rest of them have rushing attacks that work because of the passing attack. Quit making excuses for Jameis. If he’s throwing it 40 times, you’d think he would get better at it. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet.… Read more »

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Consider this – All those in that list except Rodgers have atleast one RB to whom who you can dump it off or give a screen pass and you will get 10-15 yards easy. We dont have such a pass catching RB threat. A two yard pass to flat for all those team results in a first down but for our team it results in 2nd and 8 or worse. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Bucwild02, I completely agree with you. All I ever hear at excuses. When Fitz was playing great all I heard was its the play calling, Winston can do it also. Then when given the opportunity its excuse after excuse. We have no defense, no running game, no Oline. Guess what, Fitz had none of those things either the first 2 games and was able to maximize our offensive capability. Now that Winston can’t its all excuses. Quit making excuses and start holding him accountable. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Are you serious? Every one of those teams besides Aaron Rodgers has a run game? Brees has Kamara and Ingram, Mahomes has Kareem hunt, Brady has Sony Michale and James white, Geoff has Gurley and Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Are you serious? Every one of those teams besides Aaron Rodgers has a run game? Brees has Kamara and Ingram, Mahomes has Kareem hunt, Brady has Sony Michale and James white, Geoff has Gurley and rovers has Gordon and Austin Ekler, spelling. So your statement makes zero sense. In fact I saw a star that 70 percent of Geoff’s yards come off ply action. Imagine that…. so yes, a running game benifits anwuarterback greatly!! Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Sorry for all the terrible typos. Typing on a phone with wide thumbs proves tricky at times lol Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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I bet if Tom Brady or any other capable QB were here, we’d all be putting Peyton Barber on our fantasy team because he would be killing it and catching tons of passes, just like James White is. It ISN’T James White that makes Tom Brady Great. Its Tom Brady. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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As I said in a post before the season started we lead the NFL in IR every year. I don’t believe in curses and hexes, but I do believe that only leaves out training and medical staffs. They must really suck, but no one mentions it. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Except we aren’t leading in injury categories. Tampa was middle of the pack last year in man-games lost due to injury. https://twitter.com/ManGamesLostNFL/status/951253740933312512 Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Not only that, from 2009-2016 Tampa was middle of the pack as well in total man games lost (how can they be middle of the pack and lead every year). https://twitter.com/ManGamesLostNFL/status/825129590922305538 So quit it with the “my feelings are facts” based arguments. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Like all stats, they can obscure reality. If a team suffers its IR losses early in the season, even if only a couple players are lost, even if it’s only scrubs list, they lead in man games lost. But another team that loses a bunch of key starters to IR in the last month of the season looks like a winner Stats don’t lie, but taken singly or out of context of other factors do mis-represent reality. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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“He has all the talent in the world, he can make all the throws and is a tremendous leader, but Winston simply can’t turn the ball over with such a high frequency rate. History suggests that Winston won’t stop committing turnovers.” Close to what I have been writing, yet I get crucified on this. Winston can make most throws, not all. If you look at Winston over 25 yards passing in the air, he becomes pretty inaccurate. On the previous page, the writers mention that Jackson with Winston has not been very useful. It has to do with Winston’s accuracy… Read more »

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For me, life is a work in progress. I want to weigh in on one thing though. I believe there is a difference between leadership and energy. Jameis has a lot of energy. Energy can temporarily excite those around you, but it won’t make those around you perform better consistently. Leadership really has more to do with trust, accountability, and charisma. Jameis just doesn’t inspire those around him to take it to the next level. Sorry. He just doesn’t. That’s why people argued against taking Fitz out. His leadership was obvious. The team responded to him. They trusted him. He… Read more »

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I think the bucs stand pat and dont trade anything. If DeSean wants to complain about tha, how about he holds on to the ball that he had for a td this week? Hit him right in the bread basket and he dropped it. As for the Jameis int.s they clealry have to stop, but there is something here you aren’t looking at Scott. No team is asking g their qb to throw it more than the bucs. You realize Jameis is averaging 47 last attempts a game!? Cam newton , 28. Jameis dropped back 62 times last week and… Read more »

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Lol. DJax is trying to get traded. He must love playing with Jameis! Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Fab 1: Let’s face it, Desean Jackson is right. Winston can’t hit deep receivers in stride. It’s so rare for him. That being said, Desean Jackson to Houston for a 1st round pick looks pretty good right now. A classic win-win if Will Fuller did tear his ACL as feared. Jackson is exactly the player that could fill Fuller’s position on a team that has firepower on both sides of the ball in a weak division. The Bucs get something out of Jackson instead of frustration when Jameis is under center. Fab 2 : Leopards can’t change their spots. SR… Read more »

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Jameis he doesn’t need to hold on to the ball to make this o line look bad, they do that themselves. Did you watch these past three games? The online has been a turnstile and if Jameis did t have good wheels to escape the pocket wed have given up like 8 sacks last week, but you dial to me tion that. You probably thought the 2.02 seconds Jameis had on the Myles garret sack was plenty of time to throw the ball. Ill agree ,his deep ball isnt good or consistent but saying he cant throw long is completely… Read more »

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Aaron Rodgers has NO rushing attack. His Oline is also not great. He’s still extremely efficient though. I can list 10 more guys that aren’t Aaron Rodgers but ask yourself this… If Brady/Brees/Rodgers/Mahomes/Goff/Rivers/Luck/Ryan/Cousins/Watson were here, would there be a discussion about failed deep balls and bad turnovers? Then ask yourself a second question… If Eli/Bortles/Stafford/Carr/Mariotta/Bradford/Taylor were here, would the results be about the same? Winston clearly belongs in one of these groups. Can you see which one? Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Um luck,Brady, and brees had more interceptions in his first three seasons that Jameis so please let’s do talk about it. Heck Roger’s didnt even play for three seasons so that comparison doesnt even work. As for the rest of those guys, my point still stands. NONE of them throw the ball even remotely as much as Jameis and that’s a fact. I’m not saying g Jameis doesnt have his flaws as he does, but dont compare the offensive lines after watching ours as they cant even run block and the right side of our line is a gaping hole.… Read more »

BigSombrero
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Winston has to throw it more. He puts his team in a hole constantly with turnovers. His first NFL pass attempt was a pick 6, but that wasn’t his fault right? Lol. Homer. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

BigSombrero
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Who had more wins? Luck, Rodgers, Brady or Winston? I can hear you firing up all the excuses now. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Buc n wild- Peyton Manning’s first career throw was a pick 6 so I guess that means he sucks too Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Aaron Rodgers is also hurt now due to his shitty O Line. Come on! You can’t even make that comparison anyway. There are only 3 QB’s of Rodgers level in the NFL now anyway. And Rodgers has not had a good year. You can dislike Winston all you want but he is the best QB this Team has ever had (as a starter, don’t count Steve Young) and if we put ANY semblance of an O Line and run game and he would be TITS!!! Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Lol. It’s frustrating for sure. Im not a Winston hater. Im not a Mariotta guy. Winston’s just not very good. Just my observation. Luck was much better in his first 3 seasons. So was Brady. He won a superbowl in his second year in the league for Pete’s sake! Watson, Rivers, Brees, Mahomes, Goff, Ryan have all been better their first 3 seasons(so far). Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Winston has all the weapons and what has he won.. NOT the best qb ever!! Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Same O line played for Fitz, and Fitz played better than Winston. The Winston fan boys have done nothing but make excuses, point fingers, and project future greatness for four years running, but it’s always the SOS – same old shit. WYSIWYG I never bought the BS 4 years ago, still not buyin’ it now. The team owners need to fire Licht and his coaches, and trade Winston. If people think we’re having trouble now affording quality players, both new hires, and paying our quality players on the roster now, it is going to be much harder when we have… Read more »

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What???? No is giving up a 1st rounder for DJax! Maybe a 3rd rounder….maybe. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

BigSombrero
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Gruden just got a 1st rounder for Amari Cooper. Concussion. Drops. Slower this year. It’s a deal they couldn’t refuse. They do everything big in Texas! Truth be told, I think a 3rd round pick might be worth it. It’s better than the nothingburger the Bucs will get when they cut him after another failed season with Jameis. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Yes! Houston has cap room for DJax and Jackson would love playing with a young gun who can aim. Might even make Bucs more willing to go after a CB or G for the home stretch and future. Here’s hoping… Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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If Winston can make all the throws why can’t he hit DJax? Winston struggles mightily hitting targets in stride with good ball placement maybe. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Trade Spence to a 3-4 defensive team and get what you can get. The people in charge may have no interest in doing it. Getting a fourth round pick for the 2019 draft may not concern the current regime; especially if they have the sense that they are going to be gone after the season. With the head coach making comments like, “Winston’s going to be around long after I am gone.” Belichick would never say that even if it was true. He has a competitive attitude just as strong as Brady’s. You got to be interested in surviving to… Read more »

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Before we pin the rose on Winston here, let’s look at the play of the offensive line and their ability to hold blocks coming off the edge or pick up blitzes. Let’s not even entertain DJAX and his history of complaining about his starting QBs. Every pre-madona receiver in this league complains at some point or another but trading him when we have one of the deadliest passing attacks out there would be a pretty historic “dumb ass buc” move and if there is anyone we should be considering to trade on the offensive side…”maybe” Cameron Brate even though I… Read more »

BigSombrero
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Just a quick note…It’s not “pre-madona”, as in before Madonna. Its “prima donna”. Has to do with lead opera singers being ego driven. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Ok, but you understated where I was going and where I was getting at…..my apologies for the bad grammar people Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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“understood” correction ha ha Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

BigSombrero
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Just trying to help a brotha out! Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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The Bucs are on a trajectory to throw 29 picks this year – Fitz has 5 and Winston has 6 – that’s Testerverde territory and we don’t want to go there. That has to change if the Bucs envision any chance of making the playoffs this year. Yes, interceptions are bad and 29 INTs would be catastrophic, but let’s not panic or all get aboard the “Get rid of Winston” train just yet! Let’s take a look at some of the NFL greats over their first three seasons. Keep in mind that this is the beginning of Winston’s 4th season.… Read more »

BigSombrero
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Lol. You compared Winston to a gunslinger. HOF gunslingers actually! That’s funny. Favre, Marino, and Elway had tremendous arm talent. Canton level arm talent. Peyton was a coach on the field. Also, Canton level. No one is going to be putting a yellow jacket on Winston at this point based on his arm talent. Actually, he’s one accusation away from being suspended indefinitely. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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True BucWild but let’s be real, did anyone know those were going to be HOF’s in their first 3 seasons? Magic 8 ball says “probably not”. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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No, but the interceptions stat tells part of the story. In their first 3 years, all of the listed QB’s showed massive improvement and cut their INT’s about in half. They all had three times as many 4th quarter or game winning drives. They also were winners. They lead their teams to victory. It’s not a valid comparison. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Actually, people thought the first three were destined to be HOFers after year 3…. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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No, I compared the number of INTs they threw in their 1st three years. Nothing else. Sorry to disappoint! Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Macabee-I aint mad at you. Im just saying its not a valid argument. Those guys all cut their int’s to about half. Favre actually passed for 38 TDs and 13 INTs in his 3rd year. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Mac- trying to discuss Winston logically with BucWild is a dead end. His facts are eschew & twisted to make his arguments. If you watch the games you’re dead on. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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I havent twisted or misused a fact Mudman. I think the eschew facts are comparing Elway and Marino to Winston. I wonder, did Winston pass for more yardage than Johnny Unitas in his first 3 seasons? How about Ron Jaworski? He must be in the same class then. Better even! Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Good job proving despite stats and anything else others through at you, you fire up your own excuses why they dont count. Hater. It’s easy to spot those like you. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Winston is 19-28 as a Bucs starter. With the EXACT same team around him, JOURNEYMAN RYAN FITZPATRICK is 4-3. Thats the only stat i care about. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Hello Mac, I think you make a reasonable statement but I do disagree. There are times when historical data is useful and there are also times when it’s not. I think it is safe to say the game has changed and continues to change dramatically in terms of talent, rules, systems,etc..Has the NFL ever been a passing league and defenses so ordinary as today? Who was the last team that had a true CONSISTENT shutdown defense? Winston may be a late bloomer and become slightly better than average but at what cost. Look at the talent we have at WR… Read more »

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And you make a reasonable statement as well. I am simply saying at this point in their careers, Winston has the same opportunity to be great. You/and or others may be saying he does not and you’ve seen enough to be sure. On that point, I disagree. And I conclude in my original post that I hope that to be true as I don’t know the future. You may be right. Time will tell. I’m willing to wait and see. Good looking out, my friend. Go Bucs! Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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The Buccaneers released a mashup video on Facebook for every offensive snap of the Browns game. In a majority of the snaps, Jameis was under duress in less than 3 seconds. How can people expect there to be even an opportunity to throw a deep ball? Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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A voice of calm reason on the Red Board. Thank you. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Besides the uproariously laughable notion that Winston belongs in a list of HOF great quarterbacks of all time, cough cough … you are completely offbase in comparing the type of football played by all those guys. They came up in an era when defense dominated the game, whereas today offense completely dominates the game of NFL football, moreso this season than any other. We all know that. You have to compare Winston to other quarterbacks playing today of similar experience. Winston has played in the league since 2015 – care to guess which NFL quarterback is tied for first in… Read more »

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What is uproariously laughable is that you cannot comprehend a simple post. The subject of the article is Winston’s turnovers, more specifically, his INTs. My post simply says that at this point in Winston’s career, he has thrown fewer INTs than some of the NFL greats and that if he were to change the arc of his current trajectory, I would hope that he could have similar success. No other comparisons were made. Your unmistakable bias or otherwise ignorance of the facts would not allow you to see that or as a Buc fan wish him success in the future.… Read more »

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Break it up you two. Lol. Era’s are different and so it’s hard to compare. I get it macabee…you are hopeful for Winston and want him to succeed. Most on here do. I know I do. I just get frustrated watching him play. The point about the INT’s though is a false equivalency. I could point these facts out… Ryan Leaf only had 36 INT’s in his first 3 seasons. Jamarcus Russell had 23 INT’s in his first 3 seasons. Christian Ponder had 34 INT’s in his first 3 seasons. All former 1st round picks with Russell going 1st overall.… Read more »

macabee
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macabee

As I watch the Cinncy game today, I have to admit I’m wrong about Winston. He is imploding. He is playing god awful. Can’t defend the indefensible. You are obviously right. Not to proud to admit that I couldn’t see all the flaws – demonstrated right before my eyes today. Oh well, back to the drawing board. lol. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

Naplesfan
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I have no bias. I have eyes and a brain. Winston in no way shape or form belongs in any comparative discusion of HOF greats who came up in an entirely different era of defensive dominance. Unlike you I used my brain and common sense to compare Winston with his contemporaries …. and he suffers greatly in that comparison. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

macabee
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macabee

I owe you an apology for having a bad day yesterday. The language I used is not my normal diplomatic approach in discussion – even in argument. Had nothing to do with your position, but all to do with my emotional state at the time. So again I sincerely apologize if you were offended in any way. Your opinion is respected even when I disagree. After yesterday’s game your argument regarding Winston as a wise pick holds water. He was horrible yesterday. I do still think you are carrying my eval too far. Never meant to compare Winston as a… Read more »

drdneast
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drdneast

First off I wish all of the football experts would quit behaving like the Bucs barely beat a sub par SEC team last week. The Browns were 2 and 4 with three of their games going into OT. Against the Steelers, who they also took into OT, Big Ben threw 3 INTs against the Browns. I’m not saying Winston doesn’t need to steop throwing INT’s, but he also dropped back over 50 times last week to toss the rock. How about some balance. I did watch the replay of the Bucs game to see what happened on his first INT… Read more »

Dbuc63
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Dbuc63

Have you ever heard on confirmation bias? I voted “like” for your post because I feel sorry for you. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

Buc-in-Philly Fan
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Buc-in-Philly Fan

That’s just dumb…. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

sunshineben
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sunshineben

Maybe bucs could trade Winston b4 deadline Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

gunderss
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gunderss

Seriously! I would love to hear what the Giants would give us for him. If the Backup QB has better or the same stats as the “franchise” QB, its time to move on. 1. Trade Winston 2. Start Fitz 3. Draft a QB next year 4. Have more cap space to sign our own guys next year. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

BucWonder
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Fitz wanted to retire this year, and have you looked at the crop of QBs coming out next year? This is not fantasy football. Go Bucs! Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

gunderss
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What does FF have to do with this? Stats are stats, take a look for yourself… http://www.nfl.com/teams/tampabaybuccaneers/statistics?team=TB If you think we are making the playoffs with crab legs, you are sorely mistaken. I would much rather secure the future of the Bucs with trading him now for ANYTHING we can get and draft a QB next year. Fitz has performed better than wINsTon, who’s jersey went to the HOF again?? I’ll wait…. Are you against having more cap room for the player who actually play up to their potential? Can we sign both Alexander (LB) and Smith (LT) next year… Read more »

Naplesfan
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Naplesfan

Fitz is a far better value to the Bucs today than Winston – he performed better, and cost way less than Winston. Too bad he’s as near to retirement as he is. But he could make a great transitional starter while developing a young quarterback perhaps a late first rounder or early second rounders, like Drew Brees was. And that would leave a helluva lot more money in the salary cap to pay for much better defensive talent that Jason Licht is completely unable to identify and sign, whether in the draft or in free agency. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb… Read more »

Naplesfan
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Naplesfan

If people complain today that the Bucs don’t have enough talent, particularly on the defensive side of the ball, just wait til next year when we have to stay under the salary cap AND pay Winston $21M. Or sign him to a long term contract at $22-26M a year which is the going rate for other mediocre second contract quarterbacks in the NFL like Joe Flacco, Jimmy Garrapolo, Derek Carr, Alex Smith, and Sam Bradford – which ALL of their teams are sorely regretting today. The model of the future NFL championship team is a high quality first contract QB… Read more »

cheveliar
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Scottie, I agree Jameis needs to stop the turnovers. However, this paragraph does not summurize that the way I think you wanted: “To summarize Winston’s career, he is 9-11 in games with no interceptions, but more importantly, Winston is 8-5 in games with no turnovers. For the Bucs to win, they need Winston to start playing turnover-free football on a regular basis.” 9-11 when dude doesn’t throw an INT? The way we harp on his turnovers you’d think the Bucs would be better, but that stat doesn’t show it. The 8-5 is better, but again for the way we harp… Read more »

fredster
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I get it Winston needs to have less turnovers. I agree, but if he didn’t throw for 400 yards and have brilliant scrambles all time we don’t win last week or many games regardless of turnover margin. He was leading rusher last week and that is BS. You want to see any QB struggle, just take away the run and play action and see how other guys like say Mariota or Prescott play. I’m not making excuses, but if defense doesn’t keep playing better like they did last week it won’t matter if Winston turns ball over or not. Also… Read more »

fredster
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fredster

Hit on blind side lol Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

fl0nase
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fl0nase

Is Kendell Beckwith not getting back to the roster this year? I just checked the depth chart over at bucs.com and he’s not listed. I didn’t happen to see any recent news on his recovery from his ankle surgery. It would be a relief to me to hear he’s close to being back with the loss of Kwon. I thought he improved steadily last season and would be great to have back to avoid drop off in talent at the middle tier of the defense. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

Hes on the non football injury/reserve list. He can recover with the team but doesn’t count against their 53 man roster. Also, different than IR. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

Dman
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Dman

Trade McCoy, please. Most overrated player on the team. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

surferdudes
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If a lot of you are right, and Winston is not a franchise Q.B. then Licht should be the one shipped out of town. Licht has picked some good players, he should, we’ve been in the top half of the first round since he’s been G.M.. However, there have simply been to many high second rounders who have not panned out. His 2016 draft class is almost a complete bust. His free agent pick ups have been mostly over paid, and dismal also. Licht has had 5 years to build a winner, and in year five do any of you… Read more »

tampaspicer
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I didn’t read many of the comments but have a good idea what the rest of them are. They hate Jameis is probably the majority of them. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

gunderss
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gunderss

Nothing wrong with stating the truth! Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

GrayBalls
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GrayBalls

This is probably the most well thought out comment I’ve seen on this thread. Surprisingly, there have been a few Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

scubog
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I knew when I saw there were 60 comments that Scott’s Fab 4 plus 1 Advertisement must have been about religion, politics or Jameis Winston. Thank goodness it was the latter. Having been through every QB in Tampa Bay history I can speak with some authority that the citizens of Bucville never have accepted any of them for long. Oh, we’ve had a few who piqued our interest over the years. There was “Why Not Minot” and more recently “Fitzmagic”, but those were short lived. We had Steve Young the QB, who nearly drowned in the snow, and wasn’t much… Read more »

plopes808
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The biggest problem is that the confidence…or over-confidence that leads to Winston’s turnovers is the same confidence that results in his game changing throws. It may be something we just have to learn to overcome rather than have him become a “dink and dunk” type of QB. As for the trade deadline coming up, I agree that Spence is the only real candidate at this moment. DJax might get us some good return, but it would be a big gamble with the way the injury bug plagues this team every year. On an unrelated note, on Thursday I sat there… Read more »

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

I also watched Watson on TNF. He throws a really good looking football. It doesn’t flutter. It doesn’t wobble. It doesn’t sail. It doesn’t nose dive. Watson throws a really good looking football. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

How did this comment get two (and counting?) thumbs down? Winston fans with their panties in a bunch? Dig them out of your crack and relax. I didn’t bring up Winston’s passes. Just admiring Watson’s. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

GrayBalls
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GrayBalls

Awww….. Cookie wants a participation thumbs-up. Don’t worry, I gave you one in hopes of salvaging your feelings. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

Thanks GrayBalls!! I feel much better now! Participation thumbs-ups are what it’s all about! Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Winston will always have turnovers. He is a QB that needs a running game. The playbook must be 50/50 run/pass, it can not be 70 percent plus throwing. With Winston that is a disaster. Some of the legendary QBs of the eighties like Dan Marino or Warren Moon could do it in what was “Run and Shoot” offenses. Jameis Winston will never be one of those guys. If he is around long enough he will have a lot of career yards, but he will be a challenger to Brett Favre’s all time career interceptions. Further, that Run and Shoot era… Read more »

BigSombrero
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BigSombrero

Good observations SelmonRules1000. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...

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Jameis’ performance yesterday reminds me of Tiger Woods after his scandal. Once Tiger has finally resolved his mental problems he is back on top. Jameis is not playing as well as he has before his recent scandal. He needs to sit on the bench while Fitz starts until he gets his mental problems behind him and his confidence back. Rate this item:Thumb UpThumb DownSubmit Rating00 No votes yet. Please wait...