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Welcome to The Hook, my weekly column that hooks you into a different Tampa Bay Buccaneers topic each Thursday, as well as some of my thoughts on the Bucs and the NFL at the end in a section called Cannon Blast.

I invite you to offer me some feedback on The Hook below in the article comments section.


On our most recent Pewter Nation Podcast, which was released on Monday, my boss, Scott Reynolds, pointed out something that needs to be reiterated. When members of the PewterReport.com staff, including yours truly, write or talk about alternatives to Jameis Winston at quarterback for the Buccaneers that isn’t us necessarily saying that’s what we think Tampa Bay should do. We aren’t necessarily advocating for the Bucs to change quarterbacks.

It is simply us doing what the Bucs themselves are doing – looking at other options if Tampa Bay decides to move on from their former first-round pick. And from all we have gathered, it is a 50-50 chance Winston returns a this point.

I have gone on record multiple times stating that I believe the team should find a way to keep Winston for at least one ore season, whether it be the transition tag, the franchise tag, or even a team-friendly deal loaded with incentives. However the Bucs can keep him, I think they should do it. Let him have one more year in Bruce Arians’ offense to see if those turnovers decrease.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston

Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Mary Holt/PR

But with that said, the team – and fans – need to be prepared for life after Winston. Tom Brady and Philip Rivers are long shots to come to Tampa Bay it appears. Then there are second-tier options like Ryan Tannehill, who appears destined to stay in Tennessee, Andy Dalton, who won’t get anyone excited, and Teddy Bridgewater, who reports say may command more money than Winston, and who has averaged just 173.9 passing yards per game over his career.

After those players, the next group is led by possibly Cam Newton coming off a surgically repaired foot, and former 2015 No. 2 overall pick Marcus Mariota. Neither of whom seems like a good fit in an Arians offense.

However there is a wild card out there. And depending how the dominoes falls in free agency, he could become available to the Buccaneers.

I’m talking about Raiders quarterback Derek Carr, who checks all the boxes for what the Bucs need and what Arians covets in a quarterback.

In his book The Quarterback Whisperer: How to Build an Elite NFL Quarterback, Arians mentioned a number of things a successful quarterback has to have, such as smarts, heart, grit, accuracy, leadership and athleticism.

Bucs head coach Bruce Arians – Photo by: Getty Images

Carr checks all of those boxes.

I spoke to a former teammate of Carr’s in Oakland on Wednesday, who first qualified things by saying he doesn’t think Carr is going anywhere, but did say, Carr “is the best” and “he can do it all.” He also stated to me that “Carr is the best quarterback he has ever played with.”

I’ve seen the stats. Carr’s passes don’t travel far, his yards per catch are among the lowest in the NFL.

You know what else is among the lowest in the NFL?

His interceptions.

Eight, 10, 13, six, 13 and 12.

Those are the number of interceptions Carr has thrown each year during his six seasons in the NFL.

Here are some more number – 4,054 and 4,409.

Those are the number of yards he’s thrown for in each of the past two seasons.

Worried about him getting the ball down the field? In six seasons, Carr has 280 passes that were completed for more than 20 yards and 51 that went for more than 40 yards.

Derek Carr – Photo by: Getty Images

And keep in mind that Carr has played his last two seasons in Jon Gruden’s offense – not exactly a scheme that oozes big plays.

In five seasons in Tampa Bay, Winston has 241 completions of 20 yards or more and 37 of 40 yards are more.

Prior to Gruden coming to the Raiders, how many Bucs fans can forget Carr completing 40-of-59 passes for 513 yards and four touchdown passes, plus another TD on the ground in a 30-24 overtime win at Raymond James Stadium in 2016.

A lot would have to happen for Carr to get to Tampa Bay. First the Bucs would have to make the decision to move on from Winston, which is not something I am suggesting they should do.

But it isn’t up to me.

Or you.

Ultimately it is up to Arians and general manager Jason Licht, who might be thinking that Winston’s penchant for turnovers just can’t be fixed after throwing 30 interceptions last year. To suggest that Arians and Licht wouldn’t want a 4,000-yard passer that completes 64 percent of his passes with only a 1.9 interception percentage would be ludicrous. Of course the Bucs would take that.

But in order for the Raiders to give up on Carr and be willing to trade him they would first have to also find someone they think is better, that of course, would be Brady. Reports recently suggested the Raiders were prepared to offer Brady $30 million a year for two seasons. That doesn’t mean Brady even decides to leave the Patriots, but if he does, Las Vegas seems as likely a destination as any.

And finally, the Raiders would want compensation, and that means draft picks – probably at least a second-rounder and maybe an assortment of other draft picks.

It’s a steep price to pay, but Arians isn’t here for the long haul. The boat on Lake Oconee, Ga. is gassed up, the Yeti cooler is always full of ice, and the bar is stocked with Crown Royal. Arians isn’t going to beat his head up against a wall trying to break in a rookie quarterback over the next two or three years. He’s either going to coach Winston or another veteran quarterback.

Bucs DE Noah Spence - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Bucs DE Noah Spence – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

If it’s not Winston it should be Carr, who checks all the boxes.

What makes Carr even more attractive is the fact he has three more years left on his current deal – none which is more than $22.1 million per season. That’s a bargain for a top quality starter in the NFL these days. A steal, really.

It’s hard to fathom that the Bucs could turn their back on a 5,000 yard passer, who if his turnovers were half of what they were would have been in the MVP conversation last season. Tampa Bay would have likely made the playoffs if Winston had thrown just 15 interceptions, too.

It is a huge gamble to let Winston walk. I would keep him, but if Tampa Bay doesn’t, Carr is the guy to replace Winston and there might not be much of a drop-off anywhere other than the interception totals, which would be welcomed.


CANNON BLAST

Cook’s musings and ramblings about the Buccaneers and the NFL. Good stuff. Check it out.

If Bucs guard Alex Cappa wasn’t an NFL player, he could have a career as a roadie for a rock band like Lynyrd Skynyrd. For the record, I don’t even know what kind of music Cappa listens to, but it is safe to say Justin Bieber or Shakira haven’t ever popped up on his playlist.

Bucs OL Alex Cappa

Bucs OL Alex Cappa – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Metallica, Ozzy Osborne, maybe even the Foo Fighters, but you can’t tell me you can’t picture Cappa hauling amps and speakers out of a semi trailer into an arena, then standing with his arms folded outside the dressing room while the Jack Daniels is flowing behind the closed doors. Maybe even more than a roadie, Cappa could be security. He’s a tough guy and not just on the surface. This dude played two and half quarters after he broke his arm in a game this year against the Saints.

What song is it you want to hear? FREEBIRD!

• Speaking of music, with no more tunes being played at practices, and no ping pong table or basketball hoop in the locker room, we heard a lot of music blaring from the locker room during our daily 45 minutes we got with players during the week last season. Sometimes at levels so loud the Bucs PR staff had to ask the players to lower the volume so interviews could be conducted.

Rookie Devin White, some of the defensive linemen and a handful of other guys would usually have music playing during our daily sessions, but out of everyone, I want tackle Donovan Smith to DJ my 50th birthday next October. Despite being a fairly young guy, you never knew who Smith would be playing from locker on a daily basis. Sometimes his best friend, Ali Marpet, would give him recommendations to play, but Smith definitely has an eclectic musical taste. From modern hip-hop (do the young kids even call it hip-hop anymore?) to old soul from Motown to even a little country, Smith is my DJ of choice.

And he sold me when midway through the season he even blasted some Hank Williams, Jr. with A Country Boy Can Survive. I may have even left him off the Most Disappointing List a few times after hearing some Hank this year. My Pinecrest roots run deep.

• The Last Laugh

 

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About the Author: Mark Cook

Mark Cook currently is the director of editorial content and Bucs beat writer and has written for PewterReport.com since 2011. Cook has followed the Buccaneers since 1977 when he first began watching football with his Dad and is fond of the 1979 Bucs team that came within 10 points of going to a Super Bowl. His favorite Bucs game is still the 1979 divisional playoff win 24-17 over the Eagles. In his spare time Cook enjoys playing guitar, fishing, the beach and family time.Cook is a native of Pinecrest in Eastern Hillsborough County and has written for numerous publications including the Tampa Tribune, In the Field and Ya'll Magazine. Cook can be reached at mark@pewterreport.com
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Pit of misery
1 year ago

DO IT!

Mad Buc
Reply to  Pit of misery
1 year ago

Carr doesn’t a big enough for Arians offense we know Arians typically calls for 40-50yrd bombs very first play Carr doesn’t have that arm

skullandcrossbones
1 year ago

I think we should stand PAT with winston and build a great offensive line, I think we could save alot of money and draft picks.

Pete Wood
1 year ago

I hope Jason has a good poker face. I want Carr, but not for a package of draft picks. Not willing to mortgage the future for a QB. If the Raiders want several picks for Carr, screw ’em. We can draft our own.
I’d say we could give up maybe a third round pick at the most. Maybe. Let the Raiders try to shop Carr around and test the market. They might be willing to let him go for a lot less than we think. The trick is to let them approach us first.

aStrayPirate
Reply to  Pete Wood
1 year ago

Exactly. If they do get Brady, then it would seem to me the burden is on them to drop Carr to avoid having him on their cap space. We would be doing them a favor so it shouldn’t cost us much in terms of picks.

matador
Reply to  Pete Wood
1 year ago

Pats would take him in a nanosecond

Buc76
1 year ago

Carr cried on the field. Its on tape. Look it up. He’s not tough. That’s why the Raiders don’t want him. For all of Winston’s faults, he is tough. He plays hurt. The guy had a broken thumb and still played. Keep Winston. This team can’t afford to give up any picks.

BucssFan420
Reply to  Buc76
1 year ago

I did look it up, maybe you should have.

Hit 16 times in that game
Broken Pinky Finger (Throwing Hand)
Sprained Thumb (Throwing Hand)
Knee Sprain MCL Grade 2
High Ankle Sprain Grade 3
Concussion Grade 1
Chest / Ribs Bruised
3 Broken Bones in his Back
Broken Fibula Bone in Leg

2 Missed Games (because they made him)

He wasn’t crying man, and the Raiders don’t want to get rid of him. You can’t just say anything bro to suit your fancy. When you talk about others than yourself make sure you have your facts straight.

BigSombrero
1 year ago

This article acts like Carr is a great downfield passer when referencing his 20 and 40 yard passing stats. That is misleading. They weren’t air yards. A CBS report points out that Carr was last in the league at 4.9 yards per completion in 2019, his BEST statistical season. Trubisky, Flacco, and Brissett were better at 5.1 yards per completion. He dumps it off and then Jacobs, Waller, and Richardson get all those yards. Raiders spent over $67 million dollars on the offensive line in 2019 (which was almost $20 million more that Tampa) and Gruden routinely complained that Carr… Read more »

FLBoy84
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

You are SO misinformed sometimes it’s baffling. Please check out the highlight reel I posted above and tell us again about that weak arm. Every scouting report out there pretty much lists arm strength as a major asset for him.

BigSombrero
Reply to  FLBoy84
1 year ago

Your highlight reel is misinformed. I can show you a highlight reel of Joe Flacco and his strong arm.

Im quoting CBS and their reporting. Im not misinformed. He could have an arm the size of Arnold Schwarzenegger and it wouldn’t matter if he’s afraid to let it fly.

DEAD LAST in yards per completion. DEAD FUCKING LAST.

BigSombrero
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

ALSO, 55 LOSSES IN HIS FIRST 6 YEARS!!! 2ND MOST ALL TIME TO START A CAREER IN NFL HISTORY!!

Winston would have to go 0-16 to TIE Derek Carr’s shitty W/L record.

You’re gonna stand on a soap box and preach to me????

He is a FUCKING LOSER. Only a moron would want this joke as their future. He’s pathetic. He built a house next to Gruden!!!! WHAT A CREEP!!

cgmaster27
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

Well put sombrero, but these misinformed dudes think a highlight real tells the story of a player. Hahaha carr is a wuss who cried on the field, and if these idiots think we should trade for him?! That’s even worse

FLBoy84
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

Too funny BS, if you consider me pointing out an alternative POV or considering you misinformed as “preaching”. May want to lay off that coffee or “whatever else” makes you SO edgy. LOL So a highlight reel and practically every scout in America is misinformed re: Carr’s ability to make every throw in the book. OK ;) QB’s run the offense their coach calls. Wiki describes the West Coast offense as “characterized by short, horizontal passing routes in lieu of running plays to “stretch out” defenses, opening up the potential for long runs or long passes”. There’s a reason for… Read more »

FLBoy84
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

Nest Gen Stats description of their Aggressiveness stat: “Aggressiveness tracks the amount of passing attempts a quarterback makes that are into tight coverage, where there is a defender within 1 yard or less of the receiver at the time of completion or incompletion”. Very telling that according to Nex Gen’s Aggressiveness% stats, in 2016, Carr ranked 20th (tied with Palmer) while only throwing 8 INT’s and even higher at 25th in 2017 throwing 13. Under Gruden and Olsen, his ranking shrank to 11th in 2018 with 10 INT’s then all the way to 3rd in 2019 with 8. If that’s… Read more »

BigSombrero
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

Did you really just compare Derek Carr to Patrick Mahomes? OMFG! Just wow.

When I watch the Raiders and Derek Carr, I’ve never once rubbed my eyes, did a double take, then thought, “Am I watching Patrick Mahomes?? I better hurry and check Next Gen Stats to see if it was real!!”

ROFLM-f’ing-AO!!!

FLBoy84
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

Not surprised you didn’t. That actually takes insight and having an open mind, neither of which you seem to possess sometimes. Your lack of addressing the discrepancies shown is proof of that enough. BTW, when you consistently make juvenile and outlandish proclamations or insults, it doesn’t make you look witty. Just makes you look like an idiot. You’re not obviously, but it becomes hard to value your opinion sometimes when it’s so often clouded by anger and narrow-mindedness.

BigSombrero
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

You started with the name calling when the first thing you said in your response was I’m “so misinformed it was baffling”. You then went on to tell me to watch a video link you never posted, then later in the day blamed me for not watching it! THAT IS SOAP-BOXING BRO!!

I generally think you know you’re stuff, but Carr is the prime example of “One man’s trash is another man’s trash.”

PewterHeart
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

🤣 Big Som is on a warpath, love this guy!

MizzouBucs24
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

No thanks on Carr, this offense isn’t about check downs.

Captain Sly
Reply to  MizzouBucs24
1 year ago

There is zero down side for signing Carr over Winston!!
Carr is cheaper with more experience, no baggage and ultra talented. I don’t know who’s propagating the lie about his arm strength, but there’s a well known story out there of Carr throwing a routine pass that nearly split a guys hand in two.

Derek Carr is the real deal and Jon Gruden is the Perfect Idiot you want in negotiations.

BigSombrero
Reply to  Captain Sly
1 year ago

Zero downside? Why do WR keep leaving then?

Here is the list: Antonio Bryant, Jordy Nelson, Amari Cooper, Michael Crabtree, Cordarelle Patterson.

I realize Cooper was traded. Why would that be? He is in his prime. Its simple. He didn’t want to play with Carr and Gruden/Mayock were forced to move the asset.

Bring in Carr and watch Evans and Godwin hit the door.

Captain Sly
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

We’ll just have to Agree to Disagree!!
I would pick Carr over Winston 10 out 10 times!!

BigSombrero
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

Oops, I meant Antonio Brown. I always do that! Anyway…

I definitely agree to disagree.

Trading a 1st or 2nd for Derek Carr is a great way to ensure Tampa wins the Trevor Lawrence sweepstakes!

Glazers can then please most fans and gets rid of Jason Licht, Bruce Arians, Byron Leftwich, Chris Godwin, and Jesus only knows how many other free agents in 2021.

That would be fun!

matador
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

BS you know your stuff well enough to know there were good specific reasons for each of those receivers to leave. C’mon man stay objective

BucssFan420
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

I wouldn’t put too much into that Gruden comment. Arians has been absolutely non committal on Winston for weeks when asked the same question, so come on. Had Carr been on a different team, his wins wouldn’t be like they are. Putting someone down because they don’t curse, and act like you, or any other person is BS. If you don’t like the guy, just say that, and give actual reasonable reasons why, not that garbage.

DerLutz
1 year ago

Carr would be the opposite of Winston. Safe and no mistakes vs. risky and many turnover.

Carr could be interesting in Arians Offense but he could shy of going Deep. Does that fit in “no Risk it no biscuit”?

BigSombrero
Reply to  DerLutz
1 year ago

He doesn’t risk it because he doesn’t have any biscuits! Lol.

FLBoy84
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

C’mon SB. Context man, see above. Gruden has not done Carr ANY favors in regard to offensive design or allowing risks to be taken.

BigSombrero
Reply to  FLBoy84
1 year ago

Im not trying to argue just to argue. Im not trying to be a jerk to you or anyone either. Lets be fair… Gruden and Mayock paid $67 million for an O line. Most money spent on the O Line in pro football. That was a pretty big favor for Carr. They traded for AB. That was a decent attempt at a favor. They signed Marshawn Lynch his first year then he drafted a very good RB in the first round in 2019. Gruden got rid of Amari Cooper who took issue with Carr getting him killed over the middle… Read more »

Captain Sly
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

“If Winston goes Blow the team Up”
WHAT! That’s the funniest thing I’ve heard all day. Give us more please this is hilarious! 😂
The Bucs are a decent quarterback away from being a really good football team and you are throwing a fit about a Bad One. 😂😂 Blow it Up

BigSombrero
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

What’s hilarious is that you think the Bucs would trade up to get Tua! That will never happen. Ever. It’s just as funny that you think Rivers/Dalton/Carr would be better than Winston! Keep the jokes coming bud!

Tampa is a RB and a RT away from the playoffs if they can retain Winston, Barrett, Suh, and JPP.

BucssFan420
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

That is the most ridiculous lines of crap I think I’ve ever read concerning the Bucs. The truth is with the team they have they could win, and win big. Winston is the only thing holding the rest of the team back. He is a loser in the NFL, period. Had he been able to only throw 14-16 picks, this team would have made the playoffs. They didn’t because of Jaboo’s sorry ass. He is pure garbage. You are too easily impressed with big stats, yardage totals. none of that crap means anything when you throw interceptions like he does.… Read more »

BucssFan420
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

Any NFL starting quarterback could have been five times better than Jaboo. If we had a rb that fumbled 30 times with seven returned for td’s. I bet you would love him too? Oh but he rushed for 1600 yards and 18 td’s you might say. foolishness. you have no idea what this team needs. Jones is a franchise back all day long, you will see. long before I ever see Winston is the answer at qb. and we need a left tackle too. we allowed the most sacks in the league and it’s all because on just one OL… Read more »

surferdudes
1 year ago

I’d rather use the draft picks to move up in the draft for the third best QB, whoever BA, BL, believes that is. You’d have to get ahead of the Chargers for Herbert, if he’s the consensus 3rd best QB in the draft, or that’s who the brain trust thinks has an NFL future, then do it. I still think the Bucs might land Rivers. Him, and BA two crusty old veterans, who both think they have two good years left. BA might be able to do with Rivers, or even Dalton what Gruden did for Gannon’s career. It’s time… Read more »

BucRy
1 year ago

I’d pass on Carr, since his last Injury after his breakout year. He has played scared in the pocket and won’t even take shots downfield at times. Still, rather draft a qb and tag Winston.

MizzouBucs24
Reply to  BucRy
1 year ago

BucRy. That’s sounds like the best option too me as well. Tag and draft.

Buc stops here
1 year ago

I don’t agree with this article at all. Not for the price of a second round draft pick and multiple players or draft picks. The Bucs have more needs than just a QB, and giving up good players and/or draft picks is not a position they are in as it is not all they need. This is not a team with a ton of depth and can afford to give up on the future now by mortgaging the farm to get a QB like Carr. They are better off (I can’t believe I am writing this) trying Winston for another… Read more »

SenileSenior
Reply to  Buc stops here
1 year ago

Big Sombrero has never been afraid to share his thoughts here.  However, I have never seen him more emphatic, to say the least.  ;^)  ______________________ Buc Stops Here This and many other articles make me conclude that the odds of Jameis Winston being under center come September are much greater than 50/50.  In that case we surely must have made a move like drafting Eason for insurance purposes. We must spend all of the “capital” we have this off season in building all facets of this team.  It is going to take a great off season to elevate this franchise… Read more »

Spitfire
Reply to  Buc stops here
1 year ago

I agree about Arians not mortgaging the future. He wants to win now but he prides himself on building up his staff to succeed too much to put his eventual replacement in a bad spot, especially if it is gonna be Bowles or Leftwich. I definitely think it would be smart to draft a QB no matter what, even if it’s in the 3rd or 4th to try and find a hidden gem that may be able to take over or be trade bait at worst.

BigSombrero
1 year ago

First, it was Brady to Tampa. This site even put up mybookie.ag odds of Brady coming to TAM-PA! Was it ever a serious consideration by anyone other than casinos looking to make easy money? Then it was Rivers to Tampa. He did move his congregation from LA(Cali) to LA(lower Alabama). Oh yeah, BA once said he really liked Rivers while in a broadcast booth! That comment somehow equals dump Winston(the primary reason BA was hired by the Glazers) for Rivers? Now its trade draft picks for Carr/Dalton as if Tampa doesn’t have 24 free agents to replace or sign. I… Read more »

Spitfire
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

They did mention multiple times that none of this is what they think the Bucs should do, they are just sharing to educate us on the possibilities.

Dman
1 year ago

Can’t see trading picks for Carr. If he’s a FA, worth a look. But to echo other posts, he’s beaten up and if he’s now shell shocked into going fetal position, pass. In one of my earlier posts my comment was he played great for Del Rio, then the broken ankle/foot. Not the same player.

MizzouBucs24
1 year ago

I agree with you on almost everything Bigsombrero except trading up to get Tua wouldn’t be a rebuild. You would be investing in the most important position in sports. We have the cap space to keep the team in tact and Tua is a better option than any veteran other than Brady ( who’s not coming to Tampa). I would rather see Winston get another year but I’ll take Tua over Carr, Rivers, and Bridgewater

Dman
1 year ago

Every report on Tua is he won’t play this season. So is a Tua play to franchise Winston, let Tua heal and rehab, then let Winton go and Tua take over in 2021? Hard to believe BA has the patience for that.

Horse
1 year ago

Mark, interesting. None of it will probably happen though.
Carr is in the same boat as Winston & Moriatta.
Teams are willing to take a chance on them, not for draft picks or large amounts of millions.

When is PR going to do some analysis on our offensive line versus the rest of the NFL, and do we presently have any up-and-coming offensive lineman already on the team? Maybe I missed that article?

Dman
Reply to  Horse
1 year ago

Absolutely – why does PR not focus on the O line. Probably the weakest, most overpaid group on the team. For all the talk of adding new RB’s to improve the running game, the most important aspect of this is the O line.

Again, our RB’s are in the Top Three in the league in getting hit behind the line. And for all those Peyton Barber haters, he is in the Top 3 or 5 in the league in yards after contact.

Again, Great O lines make Average RB’s look Great. Average O lines make Great RB’s look Average!

Alldaway 2.0
Reply to  Dman
1 year ago

I would not be surprised if the Bucs are happy with Barber, Ogunwale and RoJo and just want to add an impact free agent guard or tackle.

BuckeyeBuc
1 year ago

Enough with the excuses already! Jameis cost us game after game last year! His interceptions, dumb decision making and overall lack of precision is the reason we never made the playoffs!! How many times didn’t he put the ball in the wring spot for a catch and run! Hell most of commenting here could’ve passed for 4,000 yards in this offense! Do not let the 5,000 yard stat fool you! With most other QBs he would’ve had even more yards! He has to go if the Bucs are to make real progress! Note: I ave very little confidence Licht will… Read more »

cgmaster27
Reply to  Rolston Anglin
1 year ago

Stop dude, if 5000 yards was so easy, why have only 5 people done it? Jameis may have lost is some games last year, but you know who else did? A kicker, a bad running game, and a defense. You all need to stop with this mindless win loss is always solely on the qb crap. Its so short sighted its borderline moronic. No brady isnt coming here and the bucs arent wasting picks on carr so move on from that idea. How mnay times didn’t he put the ball in the right spot? I saw him lead evans and… Read more »

FLBoy84
Reply to  cgmaster27
1 year ago

“You all need to stop with this mindless win loss is always solely on the qb crap. Its so short sighted its borderline moronic.”

You may wan’t to remind yourself and BS of that. He makes that argument as a Carr “issue” above and you’re right there agreeing with him. Unless of course that applies to everyone else “except” JW. Happen to agree with you though, it is short-sighted.

BUC-ASS-BOB
1 year ago

Derek Carr would be a dream come true for the Buccaneers, Brady’s gonna have to go to LV to make that happen.
Derek Carr has an athletic ability, arm strength and an IQ for football off the scale.Surfer dude this correct it would be great if they moved up the draft to get Burrow. First step is they got a clear Jameis Winston out of town I understand a lot of these pewter posters Think he’s great but the negatives on him cross off every positive and you end up in the hole.

cgmaster27
Reply to  BUC-ASS-BOB
1 year ago

Word from jenna lane is the bucs might give Jameis a 2 year deal. If he does buc ass we’re going to see if you’re a man of word and disappear. Somehow i doubt you are though.

BigSombrero
Reply to  cgmaster27
1 year ago

Finally some great news regarding the QB position and Winston!! Sure, that’s only half the length of what I thought the deal would be (4yrs/100M with 2 yrs guaranteed), but I will take it. Its BA and JW for 2 more years!

Hopefully the Bucs can send BA out on top like Big Ben did Cowher! Superbowl or bust!!

GO BUCS!!

BUC-ASS-BOB
Reply to  cgmaster27
1 year ago

It’s interesting CG you would rather lose with Jameis Winston then get a good quarterback in here and win,yes I will leave because nothing! any changes made to the roster will help the Bucs win if they keep Jameis Winston,so it’s worthless even talking about it. Third week in October when the Bucs have been all but eliminated from the playoffs I will come on and tell you I told you so and LOL. I’m sure your excuse will be something about the offense of line and the defense never mind all those interceptions that will have been thrown. Never… Read more »

BUC-ASS-BOB
Reply to  cgmaster27
1 year ago

The Glazzers are stupid enough to sign Jameis for 2 years however Bruce Arians would never allow them to sign him 2 years.
5 years of same crap from Jameis and you morons still want more crap from Jameis you are like batterd women with broken jaws but I love my punching husband, he will change !!!

BuckeyeBuc
1 year ago

Bottom line is I would take Carr, Rivers, Bridgewater, a rookie over JW…we do not need stats we need a good leader and decision make on and off the field
#sick and tired of being sick and tired

cgmaster27
Reply to  BuckeyeBuc
1 year ago

Jameis has been a good leader off the field, stop living in the past. Its been 3 years since anything off the field. And it doesn’t matter what you would take, it matters what the glazers want. We dont need stats? How did mike glennon work out? Carr, as stated above y sombrero, has the most loses of any qb the last 6 years and thats convieniently ok to you? Strange how when someone else is a perenial loser ,you’re ok with it.

FLBoy84
1 year ago

While he has definitely under-performed since being drafted, funny how little attention is being paid to Mariota and how badly he’s faltered after being the #2 overall pick. Not a fan of his playing style, but think he’ll make somebody a solid back-up in the right system. Long fall from being #2 overall though.

thegeebo
1 year ago

A gamble to let Winston walk?? It has been a gamble every year we have kept him! He should have been sent packing 2 years ago after the Uber mess. We should have kept Fitzpatrick over him. You are still living in the FSU championship / Heisman year. Winston isn’t good. It doesn’t matter if you throw for 5000 yards and 30+ TDs when you are throwing 7 TDs to the other team and another 28 turnovers to go with them. You are insane.

cgmaster27
Reply to  thegeebo
1 year ago

Nah saying to keep fitz is insane. Just when i think the comments can’t get any dumber, you surpass my expectations.

thegeebo
Reply to  cgmaster27
1 year ago

Did you see what Fitz did for Miami? Miami has no weapons, traded away their best players, and Fitz still played more efficiently. Clearly you arent paying attention.

LIBucsFan93
1 year ago

Bucs should’ve traded up in 2014 and taken Carr when they had the chance in 2014. If we had we wouldn’t be talking right now about whether to keep Winston right now. #Its A BucsLife

cgmaster27
Reply to  LIBucsFan93
1 year ago

Nope wed be talking about getting rid of carr instead. Because you know ,he can make up for historically bad defenses and a crappy kicker and running game. It baffels me, its like not one of you has ever watched carr play a pro game.

DonkeyHunter
1 year ago

It’s no surprise that Carr would essentially get ruined by Gruden.

And, while Carr is a decent QB, this system is not for him.

twspin
1 year ago

WOW there Mark. Was not expecting this one. You make a good case. But Carr? Man..I’ll pass. I’d go with Bridgewater before Carr. No worries though. Jameis is gonna be here another year yet.

Spitfire
Reply to  twspin
1 year ago

You guys do read the opening paragraphs right? It’s just informing us on possibilities.

bucballer
1 year ago

If Carr is such a good QB with all the necessary intangibles then why is LA and Gruden potentially thinking about going in a different direction… if in fact this is true and nothing more than just heresay?

FLBoy84
Reply to  bucballer
1 year ago

Very possible it’s something as simple as personalities not meshing. Carr is a pretty religious guy and is open about it. Might be Gruden just doesn’t like being around guys like that. Gruden has regularly been described as a quirky guy, could be any number of reasons. Not a negative reflection on either guy imo. It’s Las Vegas btw :) So weird to say that, and going to be so weird not having an “Oakland” Raiders around this year too.

fredster
1 year ago

Ok not thrilled about Carr but finally we have one name that possibly wouldn’t be a complete disaster. I would rather at least tag Winston 1 years and improve the O line and RB instead of piss away draft picks, but I’ll play along until it’s sure if Carr is even available…. So looks like Carr on average lately throws around 12-13 int. And that’s In a much simpler system that is much lower risk throws. I think it’s fair to say that. So we fire Winston to take a guy that has never been asked to throw it deep… Read more »

bucballer
1 year ago

Listen guys… the waiting and talk of 50-50 chance that the Bucs will resign Jameis and that Bridgewater or Rivers or Brady might be a good fit here is just hogwash. It’s all part of the game and the art of negotiations. The Bucs have to make it seem authentic that they r prepared to move on should Jameis not resign. The fact is this… nobody will give Jameis the money that the Bucs will and Jameis and his people know this. Other teams r gun shy on the whole 30 INTs and 7 pick sixes. Oh they might take… Read more »

BigSombrero
1 year ago

@FLBoy84 Man! Your panties are in a bunch! I never did see the link you said you posted with Carr’s highlights. Sorry the numbers don’t work out in favor of Carr being a winner with his 55 losses(not mentioned by Mark Cook). The only QB to lose more games in his first 6 years? You guessed it: His brother, David Carr!! Could that fact be any sadder/stranger?? LOL – You can’t make this stuff up!! And please explain why so many wide recievers want to leave. Cooper was hurt most of Grudens first season. Could it be that Carr gets… Read more »

BigSombrero
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

And that was my last cup of coffee for the day!

FLBoy84
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

AB is doing ANYTHING he can to mitigate the damage and try to get back into the league. Besides the Gruden house thing, he already reached out to the Pats, and also went on a Twitter spree gushing about/apologizing to Big Ben, among others. Does that mean he wants back in NE and Pitt too? Or is he just trying to salvage the smoldering remains of every bridge he burnt along the way. The comment I made is still “awaiting moderation” because it has links to two Youtube videos in it. Regardless, if you pull up Derek Carr Highlights 2019″,… Read more »

DonkeyHunter
Reply to  FLBoy84
1 year ago

Exactly.

Trying to use team’s W/L records as a QB stat is as low football IQ as it gets.

BigSombrero
Reply to  DonkeyHunter
1 year ago

Typical comment. No substance just an insult.

DErpY DeRP DerP as the famous donkeyhunter might say.

DonkeyHunter
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

Didn’t realize an obvious statement/fact needed a full blown explanation.

I guess I forgot the low-IQ window lickers, such as yourself, need things dumbed down.

Speaking of substance, nice call on Antonio Bryant leaving the Raiders because of Carr.

BigSombrero
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

@DonkeyHunter Antonio Brown and Martavis Bryant both played for Gruden in Oakland. My bad on the name typo. Can you ever forgive me? Please, please, please?? I don’t know what I’ll do without your approval. Ok. Now I’m emotional. I better go cry like Derek Carr. I’m a real dumb “low-IQ window licker” as you say. Help a moron like me out, since you’re so very smart. Which WR played a full 16 games with Derek Carr feeding him the ball during Carr’s 6 year career with the Raiders? Admittedly, I am guessing WR’s don’t like catching the ball and… Read more »

DonkeyHunter
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

Well, Crabtree is the first that comes to mind. I remember him having a big year, though I’m not sure if it was 16 games. Didn’t realize it was the QB’s fault if WR’s get injured. Guess Evans, Godwin, Brate, Howard, etc. didn’t get the memo. Going back to your big emphasis on wins and losses being a QB stat… If Carr sucks SO BAD because of how many games he’s lost, why are you banging the drum to sign Winston to a huge contract…when he has a WORSE winning percentage than Carr (Winston’s winning percentage is ranked 46th among… Read more »

bucballer
1 year ago

Let’s all meet at ex NFL LT Greg Robinson’s house to discuss this a little further… he’s supplying the party favors… 156 lbs of it! Crazy man! Just crazy! U had it all… and… well… then u didn’t! Just say no to hippy lettuce until ur playing days r done… is that so hard?!

bucianco
1 year ago

Carr is a really good QB. If he’s available I can see brass making a play for him. But… when you look at the areas where this team did poorly, or less than average, the blame for losses falls all over the place. Would replacing Winston with Carr really boost our W/L %? Many people blame Winston’s penchant for Int’s on a poor run game; having to throw too many times to make up for it. Last year the Bucs ranked 24th in team rushing. The Chiefs were 25th. Seems a bad run game doesn’t mean that much. However, the… Read more »

BigSombrero
Reply to  bucianco
1 year ago

Great post. You’re much more level headed and a much better writer than me.

bucianco
Reply to  BigSombrero
1 year ago

Don’t sell yourself short sir. Your posts are a freakin blast to read!

BucRy
Reply to  bucianco
1 year ago

Agreed, great post.

chefboho
1 year ago

I’m just here for the comments with my popcorn. I personally don’t like Carr for this system at all. He threw 13 int’s with an average of 4.9 yards per completion. I’m this system where that will almost double certainly means higher risk and more interceptions. That’s just how it works. Plus if Carr was laying scared behind a quick route offense, what’s he going to do when BA tells him to seven step drop? I wish the options were better but because of where we draft, and whose available, bring a Winston back and let’s get the damn playoff… Read more »

EastEndBoy
1 year ago

Derek Carr is not being acquired for a 1st or 2nd rounder unless the GM acquiring him is out to lunch (which ours may well be). Carr is a veteran, with not a lot to show for his time. I like him and I’d rather hand him the ball in 2020 than Winston, but he’s not worth more than a mid-rounder. Carson Palmer was acquired for a 6th! Josh Rosen (one year removed from being the 10th overall, went for a 2nd rounder). Joe Flacco went for a 4th rounder. Case Keenum and Ryan Tannehill (probably more akin to Carr’s… Read more »

MikeJ813
1 year ago

Comments getting spicy lol can’t wait til free agency/ draft is over so we know who is and isn’t on this team. I’m on the side of keeping winston at least 1 more year, fixing the Oline, solidifying the defense & run game. That way if next year is the last year with winston the incoming QB can inherit a much better team than an incoming QB this year would

e
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1 year ago

If the Bucs are looking at Carr, then they should consider Josh Rosen. That kid has potential a better arm and is just been shuffled around the league without getting a real chance. He would come at a much cheaper price and just a mid to late-round draft pick.

plopes808
1 year ago

If he gets cut, it may be worth kicking the tires. We should not be trading away draft picks at all.

Biggestbucsfan
1 year ago

Great idea. I got so caught up with Brady. Carr had a great year. Jamies is a roller coaster. How could they even consider him for another year. I’m tired of watching him. Every year he turns the ball over and every year he plays catch up the rest of the game.
That worked in college, but doesn’t in the NFL. He’s a $10 million dollar quarterback. He’s got Evan’s, Goodwin and oj howard and you still throw 30 interceptions. Next.

Pit of misery
1 year ago

At this point I would like to see anyone but America’s turnover machine! But that’s just me 5 yrs 100+ turnovers I’ve seen enough…..

Alldaway 2.0
1 year ago

I am not against Carr but he isn’t carrying this team to the playoffs as he couldn’t do it for the Raiders. Bucs talk about the QB position is overshadowing the possibility the Bucs can find major upgrades on defense and RT/RG. Re-signing defensive core while adding new defenders and some maulers at RT and/or RG would do a lot more for this team in the long run. This is the 2nd youngest team in the NFL and the Bucs will have a draft that will drive down the average age of this team much further. Very young squad and… Read more »

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