It’s time for PewterReport.com’s 2-Point Conversion post-game column, which features two statements, two questions and two predictions based on the latest Bucs game. Tampa Bay’s 30-10 loss in New Orleans was embarrassing on so many levels from the fact that the Bucs defense could not stop rookie running back Alvin Kamara, to the fact that the offense could only muster up 10 points after trailing early 9-0 due to a blocked punt for a touchdown.

Did I mention defensive end Will Gholston getting carted off with a neck injury, quarterback Jameis Winston exiting early after another big hit on his injured shoulder, or a sideline brawl that wide receiver Mike Evans instigated? There is so much ground to cover about this game, but let’s start with the elephant in the room – Dirk Koetter’s job security, which is as tenuous as ever.

TWO BIG STATEMENTS

STATEMENT 1: The Gruden-To-Bucs Talk Will Turn Serious
Dirk Koetter isn’t going to survive this. Tampa Bay has now lost five straight – and likely it’s starting quarterback – after an embarrassing 30-10 loss in New Orleans. I knew the Bucs would give up 30 points on the road – as they have all year – but forecasted a 30-20 defeat in PewterReport.com’s Pewter Preview and Predictions. Silly me for thinking the Tampa Bay offense, which is going backwards, would score that many points. There is a reason why I said Koetter should give up the play-calling duties in Friday SR’s Fab 5 column.

So now the Bucs sit at 2-6 on the season with Jameis Winston’s injured throwing shoulder hurt once again. Will the Bucs win another game this season? They are certainly capable from a talent standpoint, but this team seems as lost as their coach right now. No one, including Koetter, has the answers for why the offense and the defense have played so lousy all season.

The Glazers have seen this all before. Brutal losses like the one in New Orleans and the one a few weeks ago in Arizona must bring back painful memories of awful defeats suffered in the Raheem Morris, Greg Schiano and Lovie Smith eras. It seems as if there is a curse on the Buccaneers that has lasted a decade, which was the last time Tampa Bay made the playoffs. Oh, there have been teases, like a 10-6 playoff-less season under Morris before his 4-12 encore. A 6-4 start under Schiano before his second and final season began with a 0-8 record. After a dismal 2-14 first season, Smith got the Bucs to 6-6 before a season-ending collapse turned into a 6-10 record.

Bucs DC Mike Smith and former head coach Jon Guden - Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Bucs DC Mike Smith and former head coach Jon Guden – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

I issued a warning a few weeks ago after the 38-33 loss at Arizona when I wrote With Gruden Lurking, Koetter Needs To Turn Bucs Around In A Hurry. Now I’m wondering if the Glazers believe the only person that could lift the “Jon Gruden Curse” is Gruden himself. Any other “hot commodity” coordinator may turn into the next Koetter and not work out. Of course Gruden may not work out either in his second stint in Tampa Bay, but sometimes the devil you know is better than the one you don’t.

Gruden has a lot of things going for him, too – aside from being the only coach in Tampa Bay to win a Super Bowl championship and three NFC South division titles, being the all-time winning coach in Tampa Bay history, and the next inductee into the Bucs Ring of Honor. Gruden has stayed current with all of the trends in pro and college football through his gig at ESPN where he’s the Monday Night Football color analyst, and knows college personnel as the host of Gruden’s QB Camp and by being a draft analyst on ESPN’s NFL Draft coverage.

Without a healthy Winston, there will be no turnaround in Tampa Bay this year, and I would expect that the Glazers have seen enough. I bet they will reach out to Gruden at some point to talk, maybe later this season or maybe after the season. And I would bet Gruden, who still lives in Tampa, would listen.

I sat in his FFCA (Fired Football Coaches Association) office before the start of training camp and heard how much he still loved the Bucs and saw the fire to coach still burning in his eyes. I reported that Gruden was preparing to coach again, and I have no doubt he will soon – and possibly here in Tampa.

Gruden had his down seasons – a 5-11 campaign in 2004 and a 4-12 record in 2006 – but had four winning seasons, too, including his final two, in which the Bucs went 9-7. Tampa Bay had three home playoff games and years of sellouts on his watch. Don’t forget that this is a business and the Glazers are businessmen – highly competitive businessmen. They want to win just as much as the front office, the coaches, the players and the fans want to. The Glazers are sick and tired of the losing and I bet they swing for the fences to get a guy that can make a splash and take the Bucs to the next level … like they did in 2002.

STATEMENT 2: Koetter Has Lost Control Of The Bucs
Hiring Koetter to replace Smith seemed like the right move to make at the time that I called for it during the 2015 season. It made sense because the Bucs had a 4,000-yard rookie quarterback in Winston, a 1,400-yard running back in Doug Martin and a 6,000-yard offense, which ranked fifth in the league, in Koetter’s first year as offensive coordinator. Giving Winston and the young offensive players some continuity seemed like a good decision at the time. Koetter was worth a try.

Unfortunately, Koetter’s second year is going the way Schiano’s second year and Smith’s second year went – down the tubes. It’s clear that he doesn’t know how to right the ship at this point and turn it around. Instead, the Buccaneers are a sinking ship that won’t make the playoffs (again) and will be in contention for a top 10 draft pick (again).

Koetter’s offense is going nowhere, scoring a total of 13 points in two games and going seven quarters without a touchdown until the touchdown catch by Luke Stocker (LUKE STOCKER!) put more than three points on the board for the first time since the Buffalo game. Ryan Fitzpatrick-to-Stocker was the combo no fantasy football team owner saw coming on Sunday, but I digress.

When I called for Koetter to give up the play-calling duties it wasn’t just to spark an offense that is only smoldering right now. It was so he could try to spend time fixing some of the problems on both sides of the ball without having to worry about game-planning throughout the week or calling plays on game days. Koetter’s full attention needs to be on the entire team right now so he could show some leadership.

Unfortunately, this video clip shows a bewildered Koetter casually walking on the sidelines while his players are literally brawling with the Saints just a few yards away. I would expect that type of demeanor from Smith – but not from Koetter. At the very least, he should have benched wide receiver Mike Evans for starting the brawl, or called everyone over for a quick, impromptu team meeting on the sidelines. Something to show that he still has control of this team. Unfortunately, I didn’t see any leadership there. Did you?

It seems like the Bucs players are quickly losing faith in Koetter and defensive coordinator Mike Smith – at least it looks that way on Sundays. They like Koetter, who is a fun coach, but they don’t see the light at the end of the tunnel this season. They don’t see how this gets better or how Koetter fixes it. That’s apparent in the way they play. Keep in mind that the Bucs players liked Morris, too – all the way until the end of his tenure during that 10-game losing streak.

TWO PROBING QUESTIONS

QUESTION 1: Should The Bucs Shut Down Winston For The Season?
Yes. After being a first-round draft pick in 2009, Detroit quarterback Matthew Stafford played in a total of only 13 games in his first two NFL seasons due to injuries in both shoulders. Stafford suffered four A/C joint dislocations, which is similar to what Winston has, over the 2009 and ’10 seasons and ultimately needed surgery to fix it.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston - Photo by: Getty Images

Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Getty Images

Forget what Winston wants to do. Forget what Koetter or general manager Jason Licht want to, too. If I’m the Glazers I am shutting down my star quarterback – the face of the franchise – and living to fight another day. Winston is 23 years old and has plenty of football ahead of him. I want him 100 percent healthy for the offseason when there very well could be a new head coach in place to install a new offense. If I’m the Glazers, I don’t want Winston’s arm in a sling in April, watching a backup quarterback go through play installs in the OTAs or mini-camps.

It might be different if the Bucs were contending like they were supposed to be this season. Instead, Tampa Bay is 2-6. That’s TWO-DASH-SIX for you Sam Wyche fans. No one likes to throw in the towel and surrender a season. It sends an awful message to the players and the fans. But the players had half the season to avoid this situation and they didn’t get the job done, so here we are.

At this point, see what Fitzpatrick can do as the starter and activate backup quarterback Ryan Griffin to the active roster from injured reserve. Give Griffin an opportunity to play some during the second half of the season to see what he can do in a regular season game with the starters. If the losses continue to mount with Winston in the lineup – like they probably will – at least the Bucs will have a high draft pick to spend on a left tackle or a defensive end.

QUESTION 2: Why Did We See Barber At RB, Pamphile At LT?
One of the (few) right calls by Koetter in Sunday’s loss was to bench Martin, who rushed for just seven yards on eight carries, in favor of seldom-used backup Peyton Barber. Martin didn’t do a good job of following his blocks and did too much dancing in the backfield on Sunday and Koetter went with the more decisive, north-south running that Barber brings.

Barber finished with a season-high 34 yards on 11 carries, in addition to two catches for 20 yards. He might see more action next week against the New York Jets as a result of his efforts on Sunday in New Orleans.

As for left tackle Donovan Smith, he exited in the third quarter with a knee injury, according to Koetter. Smith continues to struggle in pass protection and gave up a sack before departing, and also gave up the hit on Winston’s shoulder that caused him to leave the game. Kevin Pamphile replaced him at left tackle and also surrendered a sack.

It is unclear how severe Smith’s knee injury is and if he’ll be able to play against the Jets next Sunday. Smith hasn’t shown the progress the team expected him to make this season and he’ll be entering a contract year in 2018. However, the Bucs may have seen enough of Winston getting hit and sacked by Smith’s poor pass protection and may address the left tackle position again in the 2018 NFL Draft.

TWO BOLD PREDICTIONS

PREDICTION 1: McCown Smacks The Bucs Around Next Week
You know this is coming. Former Bucs quarterback Josh McCown, who was beaten to a pulp during the 2014 season, returns to Tampa Bay with the New York Jets – his seventh team in his 13-year career – to face his former squad. McCown replaced Ryan Fitzpatrick, who was the Jets quarterback the last two years, and will likely face Fitzpatrick on Sunday at Raymond-James Stadium. Oh, the irony.

The 38-year old McCown has guided the Jets to a surprising 4-5 record and is completing a career-best 70.4 percent of his passes for 1,980 yards with 13 touchdowns and seven interceptions. His 96.1 percent QB rating is higher than Winston’s 88.3 QB mark. McCown has also scrambled and rambled in for three touchdowns on the ground, too. I’m predicting a Jets win and revenge for McCown, who throws for one touchdown and runs for another.

PREDICTION 2: The Bucs vs. Falcons MNF Game Gets Really Awkward
Although it’s not for another six weeks, I bet Tampa Bay’s home game against Atlanta on Monday Night Football gets really awkward for not only the Bucs but for Gruden, who will be calling the game for ESPN. Not only that, but Gruden will be inducted into the Bucs Ring of Honor at halftime and will likely meet with the media shortly thereafter where he will undoubtedly be asked about his potential candidacy for Tampa Bay’s head coaching job should the losses continue to mount and Koetter’s job remains in jeopardy. Gruden likely will lay low until then and not talk to the media outside of his ESPN gig on Monday Night Football as the losses pile up in Tampa Bay.

Former Bucs head coach Jon Gruden Bucs

Former Bucs head coach Jon Gruden – Photo by: Mark Lomoglio/PR

What will the Glazers say when standing next to him, inducting him at halftime of the Bucs vs. Falcons game? Will they use that occasion to publicly court Gruden out of retirement (provided that they don’t put some feelers out to him first)? “We’d like to recognize the greatest, best, most winning, most awesome head coach we’ve ever had in Jon Gruden by enshrining him in the Bucs Ring of Honor tonight – because he’s great, and awesome and the best and won a lot of games here in the past … and may again in the future, I mean, who knows? (Nervous chuckle) Right, Jon? (Wink)”

When Gruden studies the tape for the Bucs vs. Falcons contest as he prepares to call the game for Monday Night Football, he might have an ulterior motive as he reviews film on Tampa Bay’s personnel, too.

 

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About the Author: Scott Reynolds

Scott Reynolds is in his 25th year of covering the Tampa Bay Buccaneers as the vice president, publisher and senior Bucs beat writer for PewterReport.com. Author of the popular SR's Fab 5 column on Fridays, Reynolds oversees web development and forges marketing partnerships for PewterReport.com in addition to his editorial duties. A graduate of Kansas State University in 1995, Reynolds spent six years giving back to the community as the defensive line coach for his sons' Pop Warner team, the South Pasco Predators. Reynolds can be reached at: sr@pewterreport.com
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Mike.Seven
4 years ago

There is a curse on this team – It is the remaining lasting effects of Lovie Smith, It takes years to recover from a huge colossal mistake of hiring Lovie Smith.
Their needs to be a cleaning out of all his moves with this team.
Fresh start new coach that is not the former staff of Smith like Dirk was.

Horse
4 years ago

Scott unless you’re not telling us what you really know, I see no reason why Gruden would want to come to the Bucs under the circumstances. This is much different than the way it was back when he was the Raiders coach. He knew he could count on the Buccaneer defense to keep the scoring below 14 to 15 points, and he knew he could fix the offense with just a few offensive players via free agency. The Bucs had no round one or two draft picks for that year and the next, but he still could count on the… Read more »

Buc 1976
Reply to  Horse
4 years ago

To bring back Gruden would be like getting remarried to your ex wife it don’t work.

SCLOBERNOCKER
4 years ago

You bet your ads Gruden woulda tore into his team today. They deserve it. One can only hope he gets the opportunity. In Jon we trust.

Buc76
4 years ago

Licht is gone. Koetter is gone. They will make a run at Gruden. Chicago is talking about Gruden so they will have competition. For a GM give Derrick Brooks a shot. The players need something to believe in. No better guy than him to run the team. They have to rekindle the championship mentality. They need to evaluate these players and see who should stay and who should go. It’s been a 9 year train wreck.

Devasher
Reply to  Buc76
4 years ago

I loved Brooks as a player, same with Sapp but being a good player does not make you a good GM or coach.

John Lynch is currently the GM of one of the worst teams in football the 0-9 49ers, so think twice before you advocate for managers just because they were great athletes. By your measure Michael Jordan should have been one of the best GM’s/Owners in sports instead of what he was, one of the worst.

Keith F
4 years ago

Why did Gruden get fired in the first place? Seriously, I forgot. I thought he alienated the players and they basically quit on him. I hope Licht sticks around, he’s not the problem. Yeah, he’s made to mistakes but he’s hit it big too. I’m not going to lie, I thought Koetter was the right hire too but it’s obvious they have to let him go. I wish u can c him go off on the players. Cut a player who’s not a team player, do something! I still think it’s a chemistry thing. Losing Sheppard really hurt the team.… Read more »

Devasher
Reply to  Keith F
4 years ago

Licht “hit big” by using a top 10 pick on a stud WR and using the top pick in the draft he earned by assembling thr worst record in football to draft a quarterback. Licht’s record is now worse than the immortal Mark Dominik winning less than 35% of his games, so tell me how great he is as we pick in the top 10 again next year. For the Jameis haters, how did Andrew Luck do while playing on a bad roster in Indy? Oh he had a should injury too because his line couldn’t protect him and he… Read more »

EastEndBoy
4 years ago

It does seem like every other team is playing football and our team is ….. Not. Koetter and Licht are both at the end of their ropes.

If we get Gruden, presumably he’ll get to pick his GM….wonder who it’ll be? If we miss on Gruden, do we hire a GM first and let him find a coach?

Naplesfan
Reply to  EastEndBoy
4 years ago

More than likely, the Glazers will have to offer Gruden both hats – GM and HC. He will not stick his head into the lion’ mouth again without having control over his performance, which involves both coaching and personnel.

ryan24
4 years ago

Mike Evans instigated the brawl? He may have gotten in the most explosive blow but the blame on the brawl lies with the not on the field QB #3. Why is he involved with a player from the other team along the sidelines out coming out onto the field?

Charlie C
4 years ago

Everyone forgets that this team has been mismanaged since Malcolm passed away. We continue to fire coaches every other year and the playoff drought will continue. The real reason this franchise has struggled now for a decade is poor management at the top. The Bucs management decided a couple of years ago to make cuts in their scouting department and fire people, and never replaced them. How come NO MEDIA ever talks about this?

Devasher
Reply to  Charlie C
4 years ago

Actually it was since Malcolm had a stroke in 2004. The Glazer babies effectively ran the team into the ground from a perrenial playoff team to no postseason in at least a decade.

If a professional team or business is consistently good or bad take a look at their ownership. Malcolm presided over the golden age of Buccaneer football while his babies have presided over a perennial dumpster fire.

Buc 1976
Reply to  Charlie C
4 years ago

Bucs can not keep firing H Coaches every other year! Give Koetter one more year at least. Coach Koetter is smart guy and should improve. He definitely needs a O. Coordinator he can trust to call the play’s.

Devasher
4 years ago

Scott, props to you for conceding the error in your advocacy for Koetter to be promoted to HC. It’s not too often that a failed college head coaches get to fall upward into an NFL head coaching gig but Koetter has proven he doesn’t have “it” as a leader of men and is better off sticking to his skillset as a coordinator. There’s no shame in it, but promoting him into the host of new responsibilities as the head man was not a good move and a mistake. The Glazer children deserve a lot of blame for running a franchise… Read more »

HOF63
4 years ago

the team was a total mess today. what the team and the franchisee needs? is a punch in the gut and thats gruden. there soft. they have talent. so i would try and keep the front office.see if gruden can win right away with this team plus draft&FA.then will know if was coaching. if there 8-8 no playoffs?fire front office and let gruden bring in his guy. i thought that was his downfall last round(bruce allen) hopefully he”ll get it right this time

Jlog
Jlog
Reply to  HOF63
4 years ago

He’s not franchise caliber for sure, he’s not a dead end either though. He’s an inconsistent average QB not ideal but that’s a QB that could take a team the Superbowl. This year show everyone one thing receivers weren’t holding him back. He has loads of targets and still manages to choose a double or triple teamed target over one who’s not even being covered. A new coach will need to decide if they want to live through his successes and failures. He’s by far not our biggest problem right now. With solid play calling and discipline team around him… Read more »

Jlog
Jlog
Reply to  Jlog
4 years ago

That was meant as a reply to bucball1.

chefboho
Reply to  Jlog
4 years ago

i watched the game and by no means is jameis perfect but his coaches are marching him out there with a bad shoulder and in case you missed some of the plays, there were no receivers open at all. We have the talent but I️ our this on the coaching and the terrible offensive creativity koetter has come up with. I don’t think i saw the line shift once. We lack creativity. There was at least five times where i called the play on offense before it happened and I’m no coach. Imagine how easy it is for professionals to… Read more »

ScottC543
Reply to  chefboho
4 years ago

^ This.

Jon Gruden would have the Bucs scoring 40+ points a game with the talent we have on the offense right now.

Without a doubt.

bucball1
4 years ago

The elephant in the room Winston isn’t a franchise quarterback picking him with the #1 pick was a mistake that could set this team back 10 years .If this team drafting in the top 5 they may need a reboot. Starting with the quarterback the pregame show was enough

Bucnut2
Reply to  bucball1
4 years ago

how right you are>I’ve been saying that for 3 years.

Mike.Seven
Reply to  bucball1
4 years ago

Bucball 1 is correct, Winston is not going to help this team out of basement much less playoffs, You want to see what the first draft in NFL QB is supposed to do– look at LA -Jared Goff is taking his basement team of 2 years ago to playoffs this year!
They aren’t saying it only his second year like all the blind Winston fans said last year.
Winston biggest asset was arm strength and that is now in series question with 4 weeks of injury claims

Amo
Amo
4 years ago

I’ve been a fan since 1976 and this is by far the most dysfunctional team in Buccaneers history. I didn’t expect us to win this game but to not show up in any three phases is inexcusable. A few obvious observations: 1- The Bucs media needs to continue “air=brushing” Winston’s personality. Putting aside his history with abusing women, his pre-game “finger-licking” speech was an embarrassment. 2- The fight started because Winston made intentional contact with an opposing player. 3- Donovan Smith sucks. A review of how Winston sustained and aggravated his shoulder injury came from the left side. 4- Before… Read more »

buccaneerNW
4 years ago

Can we NOT, please? You guys are pushing the Gruden nonsense, not “reporting” it… Rehiring Gruden would be another idiotic move by the Glazers. The guy hasn’t coached in 10 years. When was the last time a recycled coach came back to do anything special. OK, Dick Vermeil, that’s it. Besides, under Gruden and his hand picked GM, the Bucs had the worst drafts in their history (which is saying something)… I have no interest in a Gruden return. If it happened, it would demonstrate a complete lack of imagination and courage on the part of the Glazers. Another glory-days… Read more »

scubog
Reply to  buccaneerNW
4 years ago

Hard to have successful Draft without first and second round choices.

FLBoyInDallas
Reply to  scubog
4 years ago

Scubog, you keep peddling this one-liner about Gruden & Allen not having first or second round picks, but that was only in 2002. In 2003 they had a second rounder and in 2004 they had a first rounder. Here’s a list of inconvenient facts about who was drafted 1 and/or 2 from 2003 to 2007: -2003: 2) DeWayne White -2004: 1) Michael Clayton -2005: 1) Carnell Williams 2) Barrett Ruud -2006: 1) Davin Joseph 2) Jeremy Trueblood -2007: 1) Gaines Adams 2) Aaron Sears 2) Sabby Piscitelli -2008: 1) Aqib Talib 2) Dexter Jackson Only two guys (Davin Joseph and… Read more »

buccaneerNW
Reply to  FLBoyInDallas
4 years ago

Exactly. Even when Gru/Allen had first and second rounders, they blew them, Dexter Jackson? Passing on Aaron Rodgers? Sabby? Gaines Adams? Did we ever have a decent 3rd or 4th round pick with these clowns? Not that I can recall.

Not to mention free agency… Charlie Garner? The usual over-the-hill gang.

Also, his players were not that crazy about him after the first year… The schtick ran a little thin. Gruden’s whole persona comes off phony.

scubog
Reply to  FLBoyInDallas
4 years ago

I didn’t say the Draft choices were good. I merely pointed out the choices given up.

surferdudes
4 years ago

All you experts who think Winston isn’t a franchise Q.B. think of this. Blake Bortles was about to be run out of J Ville by fans like you until Tom Coughlin came to down. The man gave him a running game, a defense that sacks Q.B.’s, and a no nonsense coach that knows what he’s doing. The Jags went from worst, to tied for first in one season! Funny how Blake is playing his best ball now that he he has real leadership from the top. Think of this also. With all the talent FSU draws how have they been… Read more »

Naplesfan
Reply to  surferdudes
4 years ago

Bortles is not the reason that Jacskonville is having a mildly successful season to date at 4-3. JAX is fairly good because they have the no. 1 ranked scoring defense in the league, and they have the number one ranked rushing offense in the league. The Jags are the 24th ranked passing offense in the league, and Bortles is 14th ranked in total QBR and 15th in passer rating.

Bortles is still likely to be cut after his rookie contract expires after this season. The Jags likely aspire to be more than mediocre offensively.

Bucnut2
4 years ago

forget Gruden- we need to follow the Jags lead and get an established football guy to hire the next coach and GM. I vote for Bill Pillion.

surferdudes
4 years ago

Firing everyone at the top won’t be enough. This off season I would trade, Evans, Brate, David,I would try to trade, McCoy, D.Smith. If I couldn’t trade McCoy, I’d cut him, no takers for Smith, move him to guard, or R.T.. Now if you think I’m crazy putting Evans, and Brate on the block hear me out. Evans is going to want top dollar. Too much to pay for a possession receiver that drops too many balls. We already have his replacement in Godwin. Same goes for Brate, spent a first round pick on a T.E., plus we have the… Read more »

Horse
Reply to  surferdudes
4 years ago

Surferdudes, you are correct. I know it’s hard for many fans to face this team is lacking the foundation of any team; good OL and DL. There’s nothing wrong with Winston; if this was 2002 and he was the QB we would have still won the Superbowl, but I believe we would have been in them a couple more times with Winston back then. He is a good QB on a lousy team. We need to regroup now and start playing younger players to see if they can be truely NFL starters. These coaches don’t have the guts to call… Read more »

Rut
Rut
Reply to  surferdudes
4 years ago

This comment should get you banned from this site lol.

I’m gonna keep it simple and say, no. Those would all be terrible moves.

matador
4 years ago

I’ll refrain from commenting about JW after inappropriately losing my s— about him two games ago (for which I apologized). But If you believe we need a culture change, Harbaugh would be an interesting way to accomplish it. We’d not have soft practices, players being undisciplined and getting away with making bad choices, nor running their mouths instead of putting it on tape. The question I’d ask the board is what would make a coach like Harbaugh, or Gruden for that matter, take this mess on? I’ve been saying for the last year or two that we need to move… Read more »

cgmaster27
Reply to  matador
4 years ago

You have every right t be mad matador, we all are. Jameis has played like shut te last couple of games. He keeps getting waxed by our turnstyle smith. Sit him for the rest of the season, Jameis that is. I love your idea about harbaugh. I’m not against that at all. This coaching staff is lost though. Koetter was to soft on these guys and it shows. And how does it take 8 weeks to realize Peyton Barber is better than Doug? Doug is washed up. This offseason you have t jettison the dead weight and he’s part of… Read more »

Naplesfan
Reply to  matador
4 years ago

No need to apologize. Winston is not innocent of a major contribution to the suck of the Bucs. He is not necessarily a bust yet, but he’s definitely a big question mark. Presumably a new regime at OBP will evaluate Jameis’s performance and game tape, and get with him and see what they make of him up close … and then decide what to do about him. The new guys could decide he’s not their kind of player, blame it on the previous regime, and move on .. maybe trading him. Or they could decide to give him a season… Read more »

Naplesfan
4 years ago

The steaming pile of poo called the Yucks have punked the fans once again. What more is there to say other than another wholesale rebuild is in order. We are on track, so to speak, for just 4 wins this season, but given the way the team has been playing during this 5-game losing streak, it’s hard to imagine just who we could beat in the NFL. This could easily be another 2-14 disaster with a top 4 or 5 draft pick, competing with the 49ers, Giants, and the Browns. Call our team the Browns of the south. Everybody here… Read more »

Horse
Reply to  Naplesfan
4 years ago

Naplesfan, the thumbs down vote just means they disagree with you, that’s all. I agree with a lot what you say, but also disagree with a couple of things you have stated therefore my thumb is neither up or down. None of us are right or wrong; just our opinion based on what we know.

Naplesfan
Reply to  Horse
4 years ago

Any comment that puts any responsibility whatsoever on Winston earns a rash of downvotes from the Winston fan club. Every time. They disagree, but it is not a matter of fact or logic,it is tribalism. I am not “against” Winston, nor “for” him. I am for performance, and against under-rperformance, by anyone on the Bucs who is underperforming. Winston is a major underperformer this season. He is not alone in that condition. He does not get out of responsibility just because he is somehow protected or beyond reproach as a certain contingent of Bucs fans would have it be. A… Read more »

surferdudes
4 years ago

I wouldn’t be opposed to Harbaugh,but have you seen how bad Mich has looked lately? Why would Gruden, or anyone want to coach this mess? Only 32 of these jobs out there, I’d bet the resumes are already coming in. If there was an up, and coming asst. coach out there that people were talking about, I’d consider it, but there isn’t. To me Gruden makes the most sense. He hasn’t been out of football for ten years, his gig at ESPN has him studying more tape of college, and the pros then he probably has at anytime during his… Read more »

Naplesfan
Reply to  surferdudes
4 years ago

Listen, if Cleveland can hire a new head coach, any franchise can attract someone. The best available people, however, will want control over personnel. Either start with the GM or President of Football Operations (like John Elway) and a handpicked head coach as simultaneous, mutually copacetic hires, or make them one and the same person. That will attract higher quality candidates. If the Glazers decide they want Jon Gruden, they will have to give him both hats to wear, or he will stay in the broadcast booth. Whether the Glazer boys will get it right finally, or not, is entirely… Read more »

sunshineben
4 years ago

Mr.Light needs to go…Winston is not accurate enough with poor decision making to be a top tier qb…Glazers need to get the right head coach as season tkt holders and fans have had enough!

MWD
MWD
4 years ago

Ok, so my first comment is to let it be known that Winston is not the real problem here. Since he has been in the league (which is not that long) do you all really think he’s been pushed or coached up to NFL expectations? I think he would benefit greatly from having a QB driven coach that will push him like Jimbo did at FSU? Also, and this is if the Glazers actually do reach out to Gruden, as Gruden, I wouldn’t take the job unless the Glazers agree to let him clean house and run his ship as… Read more »

matador
4 years ago

You guys are of course right about scarcity value of these jobs. My point was that it’s a QB league and given the strong likelihood that JW is our QB into t least the first two years of a new and costly contract, the coach would have to be convinced his accuracy and decision making will improve with more reps, coaching and maturity. If you’re a proven commodity you only take this job if you’re nearly certain that’s the case. I’m not sure there’s enough supportive tape for someone to be sure it’s safe, though I could definitely see Gruden’s… Read more »

bucballer
4 years ago

Question: Are the Bucs even a priority of the Glazers right now??? It seems as if their attention is on Manchester United…if so sell the team! We need an owner like Vinik who runs an amazing organization with the Lightning! Hell… even Debartolo would be better than the Glazer boys! Someone who makes the Bucs their priority! Koetter appears to be very passive and perhaps over his head. Terrible play calling and once again he seems to continue to mismanage the play clock. Seems we never make any halftime adjustments??? LT is a must…Winston is going to get killed with… Read more »

buccaneerNW
Reply to  bucballer
4 years ago

Really, are we going back to that old nonsense that the Glazers are focused elsewhere? Please. Have an original thought. What is the basis for this comment? Is there any evidence to support it? No.

bucballer
4 years ago

Oh yea let’s not forget that Jamesis is in his 3rd year and he owns 2 of the top 3 total passing yards for the Bucs of all time… going over 4000 yards! Freeman has the other one. You dont throw for over 4000 yards in your 1st 2 years if you cant play the QB position… I believe, sometimes he is put in a situation to fail and the other times he forces the throw trying to make a play… growing pains i guess… i think he feels if he doesn’t make a play there won’t be one… I… Read more »

Naplesfan
Reply to  bucballer
4 years ago

Yards don’t win games.

Points win games, and lack of points loses games.

martinii
4 years ago

I don’t think Gruden is the answer, but regardless he is not coming back To Coaching, at least the Buc’s, For those of you who remember Gruden inherited Dungy’s defense and several years of system culture built by Dungy. A few adjustments on offense and we won a Super Bowl. No the game has evolved to much since Gruden Coached. That old defense would be so penalized, Sapp, Brooks, Lynch and Rice would have been on terminal suspension. No we live in an era where concussion protocol rules. Not that it is not a good thing for the players but… Read more »

jongruden
4 years ago

Very funny how fickle the Tampa Fan Base is I remember blasting the move to fire Gruden when it happened for a unproven secondary coach in Morris and fellow Bucs fans were all over me saying “Gruden won with Dungy’s team” etc etc etc Now most Bucs Fans want him back. Gruden was fired for finishing the season at 9-7 after losing 4 straight games to miss playoffs and Bucs Fans were highly upset I guess because at that time if we didn’t go to playoffs every yr that was a huge under achievement cause we had been spoiled by… Read more »

Amo
Amo
4 years ago

I said to anyone who would listen that Desean Jackson would bring negative energy to the locker room and that’s exactly what happened. A number two receiver is a kid like Godwin. He goes about his job and is dependable. The Jax move was similar to the Aguayo move. Let’s get ahead of the curve and be a sexy team. We need more Marpets and McDonalds on this team. Keep licking your fingers Jameis.

Plank
4 years ago

Think I’m going to add Jameis to my Coach Killer list … He’ll join guys like Vick, Cutler, Stafford, Tannehill.

D-Rome
4 years ago

“Hiring Koetter to replace Smith seemed like the right move to make at the time that I called for it during the 2015 season. ” No it wasn’t. Please do us all a favor and not call for anyone to be fired. Last year’s 9-7 season was smoke and mirrors and would have likely happened had there been consistency with the coaching staff. In other words, Dirk Koetter is not responsible for the 9-7 season. You and the rest of the local media held 2-14 against Lovie Smith as if losing an offensive coordinator two weeks prior to the season… Read more »

TBAtlas
Reply to  D-Rome
4 years ago

Effing fantastic reply D-Rome. It said what I wanted to in more concise words. We can’t keep flushing the toilet thinking one day it’ll spout gold back at us. Make adjustments, but don’t implode on a bi-yearly basis. I’m getting tired of mob-mentality decisions and the recent reporting trends have not helped in this regard.

TBAtlas
4 years ago

These losses tell me more about the fanbase than it does about the team. We’re going through a pretty rough patch and the fanbase is all “I knew that [X] was awful all along, this team has been trash for years fire everyone etc etc”. God effing grow up people! Maybe, just mayyybe, our team overperformed compared to the talent it had and the law of averages is swinging onto the other side for us this year. Championships aren’t something that you just wake up one year and go from 1st draft pick to 32nd and success in one season… Read more »

MWD
MWD
Reply to  JustaBuc
4 years ago

When you say takes time…..do you mean every 10-15 years or so?

Horse
Reply to  JustaBuc
4 years ago

Very good points and questions.

ScottC543
4 years ago

All of you saying that JW is a bust should look at Alex Smith with KC. What kind of difference has Andy Reid made in Smith’s career?

The right offensive mind running the show can be like night vs day. The right play design, called at the right time.

I’m telling you, Jon Gruden and the O talent we have right now could light up the Ray J scoreboard like it’s never been before.

QueDogg86
4 years ago

Wow! Really, Scott. You expect Lovie Smith to stand around and watch the fight, but not Dirk. Any reason why? Lovie, has won an NFC Championship, Coached a Super Bowl, and has a Super Bowl ring as a coordinator. What has Dirk, accomplished as a coach. Lovie, was known as a good coach and a respectable man. Sounds, fishy!!!

MWD
MWD
Reply to  QueDogg86
4 years ago

Que, I want to make this point based on your comment about Lovie Smith…..If the Glazers were impatient with Lovie and he had some pretty strong ties with Bucs organization from coaching on previous staff’s how the hell can they be patient with a guy like Dirk and the direction this team clearly seems to be going.

buccaneerNW
4 years ago

Gruden is not the answer. Who is floating this idea? Are you operating off inside information from OBP? Or are you simply surfing on fan discontent and throwing Gruden out there for page hits. I don’t know why the Glazers would consider this, or why any Bucs fan with a foeking clue would think it’s a good idea. We are a team with a 40 year history of drafting poorly, with the exception of a few Jason Licht drafts and maybe a couple Rich McKay drafts. In that putrid history NOBODY DRAFTED WORSE THAN GRUDEN/ALLEN. NOBODY. And I’m not talking… Read more »

buccaneerNW
Reply to  buccaneerNW
4 years ago

Instead of delivering thumbs down on the above comment, I’d love to hear somebody defend the idea of re-hiring Gruden, given the putrid drafting record, mediocre records, and general decimation of the roster over which he presided… not to mention the distrust from players…

Charlie C
4 years ago

For all the fans wanting to get rid of a 23 year old QB that is setting franchise records and is playing hurt: In the entire history of the buccaneers, all the way back to 76, the Bucs have NEVER signed a QB to a second contract. Look at the teams that win consistently, and you find a QB that the team stuck with, allowed to grow and most importantly LEADS the team. I’ll take Jameis’s passion and want to and let him improve. Upgrade the oline and dline through the draft. This means actually building the scouting department instead… Read more »

buccaneerNW
Reply to  Charlie C
4 years ago

Who says we have the 2nd worst scouting department?

Charlie C
Reply to  buccaneerNW
4 years ago

Average NFL scouting department size: Director of Player Personnel: $455,000
Director of college scouting: $275,000
Pro Personnel Director: $250,000
Assistant to Pro director: $95,000
7 area scouts: $95,000 per scout on average. Total: $665,000
Assistant/administrative: $60,000
Miscellaneous assistant: $45,000

Total yearly salaries: $1,835,000
Now go look at how many scouts Bucs employ

buccaneerNW
Reply to  Charlie C
4 years ago

You’re the one making the assertion. Why don’t you tell me what the numbers are for the Bucs? I doubt it’s much different… And the salary numbers don’t directly correspond to best or worst. That’s quite a leap in logic, and not a valid one.

scot pederson
4 years ago

It all starts with defense. If it comes down to outscoring the other team each week that is a recipe for 8-8 at best. I notice that there is so much talk about Winston being a ‘4000 yd QB’, 1st young QB to throw for 60 TDs at this point and so on. What always always is ignored is he is now in his 3rd year and still prone to Turnovers yet has one of the lowest Sack totals in the league and his QB Rating 3 years running is below 80+, ranking him about #18 on QB Rating. So… Read more »