It was a dismal trip to London for the Bucs as they fell hard to a division rival in the Carolina Panthers on the heels of a six-turnover, career-high five interception performance from quarterback Jameis Winston.

The focus was largely on Winston as head coach Bruce Arians stepped up to the podium at One Buc Place on Monday, as well as the state of the team as it heads into their bye week before heading to Tennessee in Week 8.

(Opening statement)
“After watching the tape, the story’s the same. Seven turnovers you’re not beating anyone, even a high school team. Why the turnovers? I think it’s a collection of receivers, offensive line, tight ends, running backs and quarterbacks all had a hand in every one. Running backs, protection-wise, might have been the worst it’s been and we’ll do a better job of finding our guys and blocking them next time. It’s not all on the quarterback. A lot of it is, I’m not going to shy away from that either. Defensively I thought our front seven played outstanding. Again we took one of the best backs, other than one play when we busted assignment and didn’t cover him and failed to tackle him, kind of took him out of the game. We put our defense in a situation of sudden-change defense, ball on the 25 I think five times. Other than the speed sweep where we busted an assignment they only get, that one play, 20 points which should have given us a chance to stay in the game and it didn’t. I thought defensively, other than third down, the speed sweep and the screen pass or the check down to [Christian] McCaffrey we played extremely well. Good enough to win.

Bucs QB Jameis Winston
Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

(On what Mike Evans didn’t do on Winston’s first interception)
“He should have been two yards wider and coming back to the ball.”

(On if that play from Evans came as a surprise)
“I’ve had a lot of receivers who only see the corner, stop and think the balls coming. This one was a little late and outside of where he was going to be, so they’re both at fault there, the quarterback and the receiver.”

(On Winston holding onto the ball too long)
“There were three or four sacks where he sacked himself. Incompletions don’t get you beat. Sacks and sack fumbles get you beat. We’ve been working and working and working and this is one of those games where he tried to make a play out of nothing and that comes back to bite you.”

(On if Arians’ thoughts have changed about whether Winston can be a long-term successful quarterback after Sunday)
“No. I look at the reasons why, what happened, and if it happens again, yeah, it’ll concern the hell out of me.”

(On if the bye week after a game like Sunday helps or hurts the team)
“I think the bye week helps a bunch of us. This travel’s been tough. We need the rest because we’ve got two more and one long trip again against really good football teams so we needed this right now.”

(On if Winston should be this jittery five seasons into his career)
“I think that when you get hit, I don’t care if you’re Tom Brady, when you get hit early in games it’s different and we got him hit early, excluding the first play, we got him hit too much early in the game.”

(On if he can relate Winston’s “Superman” mentality to anyone in his experience)
“Oh yeah, that one in Pittsburgh, Ben Roethlisberger. He would never throw the ball away. Peyton Manning would throw the ball away in a heartbeat. Ben thought he could make a play out of anything, like Jameis does, and he’s made a bunch of them but he also got hurt a couple times holding on to it like that.”

(On what he needs to see from the leaders on this team after two straight losses)
“That’s one of the messages we just talked about. It happened my first year in Arizona, then we never did lose two in a row. I’ll see Monday how we show up and I’ll know from there.”

(On if he’s contemplated making a change at quarterback)
“Not at all.”

(On what makes Arians believe that Winston’s roller coaster performances will eventually end)
“I think just him playing better, the guys around him playing better, coaching better, the whole thing. I think that as we continue to grow together, I think it will get better and these games will be one in a million, not one in five.”

Bucs head coach Bruce Arians
Bucs head coach Bruce Arians – Photo by: Getty Images

(On getting both Cam Brate and O.J. Howard involved on Sunday)
“They’re out there together a bunch and this was one of those situations where they were double-teaming outside a bunch so the middle of the field was open. Cam made a nice play on the touchdown and the other over route, O.J. had more opportunities but he dropped a couple. I think they were targeted eight times and they were a big part of the game plan.”

(On if it’s easy to identify the mistakes Winston is making and what those mistakes are)
“The biggest thing is holding onto the ball and getting sacked. First of all, you don’t want him to get hurt. When you make one guy miss or you scramble to the side of the field where there are no receivers, throw the ball away. It’s that simple.”

(On two backup quarterbacks getting the ball out quickly against the Bucs the past two weeks)
“They did a really good job of max protecting. They were three-of-15 or whatever on third down so most of their damage was done on second down. They had a nice game plan of chipping and protecting and for the most part, other than about three plays, we were really good.”

(On getting the young secondary back on track)
“I don’t think they’re off track. We had about three plays on over routes. Carlton [Davis] undercut it, goes for an interception and the guy makes a nice throw over his head. Vernon [Hargreaves] can be a little more physical covering guys. He got bumped off pretty good on that one comeback, I thought about challenging it but we aren’t winning those challenges so it’s a waste of time. He got shoved pretty good on that one. It’s just a matter of playing a little bit better.”

(On if their game against Tennessee is a must-win game)
“I don’t think so, it’s still too early for must-wins. We need to win, but I don’t use that term must-win very often. Just like everyone else, we’ll have our game plan set and ready to go, take a little time off and come back ready to go.”

(On if plans on making any personnel changes)
“The biggest thing right now would just be punt returner. It’s not as much the [muffed punts] as it is the lack of production.”

(On how much the Bucs need a third receiver to step up)
“I don’t think we really do. I think both tight ends stepped in there pretty good. Scotty [Miller] is getting baptized. We could use Breshad [Perriman] back, hopefully soon. He’s a bigger, stronger guy, a faster guy.”

(On the schedule for Jason Pierre-Paul’s practice returning)

Bucs Jason Pierre-Paul and Gerald McCoy
Bucs Jason Pierre-Paul and Gerald McCoy – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

“He’ll have pads on, going one-on-one with a couple offensive linemen who will stay as practice squad guys, and he’ll practice tomorrow and Wednesday.”

(On who could fill the punt return roll)
“I’ve got a couple of candidates. T.J. Logan, Vernon, Scotty maybe. Bobo [Wilson] is fearless but he hasn’t dropped them. He also hasn’t been productive with his fearlessness, he’s only averaging about three yards so that’s something we’ll have to look at.”

(On who will overlook Pierre-Paul’s practices)
“Our training staff, Larry Foote, our outside linebacker’s coach and our offensive line coach.”

(On the performance of the new starters on the offensive line)
“Earl [Watford] played really well, he didn’t have a problem. He could have played better in the run game. Josh [Wells] got a holding penalty when Jameis came out of the pocket and got him a holding penalty. His only bad play was the sack-fumble but he played as expected. I didn’t think they were going to go out there and just set the world on fire but they didn’t play bad.”

(On if Demar Dotson will return for Tennessee)
“We hope so.”

(On what Arians wants the players to take away from the bye week)
“Learn how to prepare better. We’re still making way too many mental errors in critical situations.”

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79 COMMENTS

  1. This is my message to Arians? So you believe you know more about Winston than Jimbo Fisher, Love Smith, and our last Coach? That’s BS Coach; we have 5 years on Winston and you are just fooling yourself. He’s inconsistent and will choke when we need him the most. We needed him in London!
    Why can’t Coaches just say I made a mistake in my evaluation and I’m changing it based on what I now know? I lost my respect for you Coach; just another snowblower.

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    • Horse let me agree with you about BA from this perspective because I to have lost respect. This team has no offensive line but you expect your QB took keep standing in a collapsing pocket while your receivers run these 40yd out routes with no check down. Then you come to this presser and say just “throw it away” have you watched any tape on Winston Ever? This QB is not a Game Manager, if that is what you want you should just cut Winston Right Now. Asking Winston to throw it away is like asking a leopard to change his spots, not going to happen….
      This is what Winston is: 3800yds 28tds 15int’s if you can’t work with that fine go get another QB but please spare us of the – if Winston does this again ” it would concern the hell out of me” comments please. Just a heads up coach Winston will do this again!

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      • Captain Sly yes I have played back recordings. Most cases he will not let go they fought f passing down field versus a short pass to bail himself out; when he finally decides he can’t throw to Goodwin or Evans it’s too late and he is sack or then fumbles.
        I can agree if the call was to throw a short pass he would throw the short pass. It’s changed very little in that decision process since he was a freshman at Florida State.
        This is his fifth year and the stats don’t lie and you are correct. The question is how much has this hurt us with all these interceptions.

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        • The way I see it Horse, BA only has 2 choices: Change your QB or Change your system. Because yesterday’s game was recipe for Disaster. You got two backup lineman playing against a great defensive front & a QB prone to throwing picks. What Head Coach in there right mind throws the ball in that situation? The game plan should have been turned upside down, instead of throwing 50+ times I will run it 60+ times and play for field position. Lets turn this into a FG making contest. At worst you lose the game because Gay misses a FG & the other reason you do it is so that your QB won’t get hurt trying to make a play behind this awful line. This coaching staff has just about disappointed me in every way. Sorry Fellas Pom Poms Down!

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          • Captain Sly, well he has a proven system and it worked for Jske the Snake Plummer and he has half the talent Winston has, but his field vision is twice better than Winston. keep the scheme, put in another QB.
            Same on Defense, Hargreaves isn’t the answer at that spot and is he worth the money to play him as Nickel?
            If Howard isn’t going to be used like a Witten then trade him for Patrick.
            Just my thoughts.

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    • We’re 6 games into a 16-game season, and you want to pull Jameis, who’s had 3 really good games, 1 so-so and 2 bad games? Sorry, but I’ll defer to the 2-time NFL Coach of the Year until at least the end of the season before making any judgments on coaching staff and personnel decisions.

      Being in a bad position salary cap-wise this past off season and poor development of offensive line talent from past regimes is why our OL has struggled off-and-on. We should be okay, depending upon personnel moves made during the current season, for next year’s cap. I’m predicting Licht and crew will draft and acquire OL talent next year much like he did the past 2 seasons on CBs. In the meantime, I’m cheering for our guys in pewter and red to win each week.

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      • Let me add to my last statement. The players are still adjusting to new systems both offensively and defensively. If we can get another win or two before mid-season, we’re still capable of making a playoff run the 2nd half of the season. Even an 8-8 finish is good progress over the past two previous seasons, so far as I’m concerned.

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  2. Vernon? Vernon Hargreaves returning punts?

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    • I didn’t even catch that he said Vernon. You made me have to look twice. Damn. Vernon? Hey, Neon Deone returned punts. Why not Burnin Vernon lol.

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    • If your a Bucs fan then buckle up and wait for the ride to come to a complete stop before exiting. Nobody wants to see your TEAM play bad on Sunday. My glass of koolaid isn’t empty yet so I’m all in. Bruce isn’t going anywhere soon so hang on everybody this maybe a bumpy ride.

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    • Well at least we know there won’t be any runback attempts.

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    • VHIII was a very good punt returner for the Gators.

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  3. The Oline sucks and Winston is athletic. Why does he only have a few more yards then Philip Rivers for the year. If its not there let him take off and don’t think about it just go. The coaches dont want him to run and it has killed his slow reaction/ decision time. Frustrating and painful to watch.

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    • Gee, no matter how many coaches – head coaches, offensive coordinators, quarterbacks coaches – Winston has had over the last 7 years, it is somehow always the coach’s fault, and not Winston’s fault.

      That is what you are saying.

      I doubt seriously that even you believe that bullshit. No sentient adult would ever believe that.

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      • I think Winston is a turnover machine that cant go games without turning the ball over multiples times. That normally always equals losses. I was commenting on his inability to give up on the play put his head down and take off for a gain. Instead of patting the ball, dancing around then trying to make an awkward throw. This is because this shitty concept to always look downfield was implemented by BA.

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      • Huh…? What’s sentient adult?

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        • Exactly!

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  4. BA tells it like it is. This one was all on Winston. There were a few mistakes on defense, but the defensive game plan was to stop Mac and hold on third down. We did that. Winston’s back is against the wall. If he has another game like this, his days in Tampa are over.

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    • Dude – Carolina put up 37 points on the Bucs on Sunday. The Bucs have the 32 ranked defense in the league, in both scoring, and in pass defense.

      Yes, Winston is bad. The Bucs are a bad team. It isn’t just Winston.

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    • Nope, you give him one more chance, especially if he looks good in the next two games. It appears head coaches memories are very short.

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  5. One other thing. As we know, the schedule has not been favorable. We’ve lost to the 5-0 49ers; the 5-1 Saints; and the 4-2 Panthers. The loss to the Giants was almost unbearable. But the season is not over. We are going to have to beat the Saints and Atlanta twice, and at least split against Seattle and Tennessee. That would make nine wins quite possible. Sure, I know I’m an optimist, but sanity requires exaggerated optimism when you’re a Buccaneers fan.

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    • Well said Buddah. It surely can’t get much worse than Sunday. Arians and Leftwich have to start protecting Winston from himself a little bit. More max protection and run the football. You say you don’t want him to be Superman then don’t ask him to throw the ball 50+ times a game.

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    • Buddah, season is over has to playoffs, that far from over as to who is stepping forward to be starters next season and on this team. I’m going to still watch the Bucs; this just my expectations are now winning 30% of the next 10 games.

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    • Amen!

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  6. Typical flailing by the head coach of a bad team. They always make such statements, excuses, threats, blah blah blah until they get fired. Then the coach of the same bad team fills everybody’s head with fairie dust, pixies, and unicorns, “if you’ll just really believe, real real hard!” and the “fans” eat it up until it becomes obvious that it ain’t true.

    Don’t wana hear no more words. All I wanna sea is Ws. Or go away and let a new team and coaches and GM deliver some Ws, for a humongous change.

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    • I think BA is a breath of fresh air compared to same old BS that always came out of Dirk Koetter’s mouth after each loss.

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    • Funny how for a while you disappeared to the point I thought you might have become a Dolphins fans like so many are in Naples. But as soon as things go bad, there you are with post after post often with your typical “Baby Glazers” phrase.

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      • Scubog, disappointing, right?

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  7. Spin it anyways you want to guys. But Jameis is..Mr inconsistency. He has yet to string along 3 or 4 consecutive successful games in his NFL career. This tells me he is and will be..a fine backup for some team. There is nothing wrong with that. But WE need to move on after this season. I hope I’m wrong. But I don’t think we make 8-8 this season.

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  8. If the Game Plan would have been lets Run the Hell out the Ball in London. lets give RoJo 25 carries and Barber 25 carries, Lets run some jet sweeps with Scottie. Do you know who we wouldn’t be talking about today? Yeah Winston

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    • Captain Sly you are correct.

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  9. U guys need to unplug…. y’all take this so personal… half don’t like whom ever is coach or gm or qb or whatever…. we win complain we lose complain… U wanted gruden fired u wanted Morris fired schiano fired and so on… it’s a new system it’s all new… Ryan Griffin can’t play… watch him at Tulane and the saints and now here… he is a career number 3 that’s it a preseason mvp… So stop it either support or stop watching but I kno u won’t so just let it go… Winston sucks BA sucks Jason sucks blah blah blah… I still think we make it to winning record

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    • See! -16 (thumbs down) A lot of our “fans” can’t take any criticism for their remarks.

      Oh Well. Go ahead and take it personally.

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  10. Any coach with a brain would already have the hell concerned out of them Sounds like the great Bruce Arians is going to wait till the Bucs are mathematically eliminated from The playoffs in about three games before he makes a change of quarterback after it’s too late for the season they’re just all morons

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    • Winston did have three consecutive successful games prior to this POS

      With him being in his final year, the priority had to be judging whether to double down or pull a dolphin.

      And yes, with all the contracts ending this year… they’re in position to do so as BA won’t likely hang around for a complete overhaul

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  11. Expecting Winston to change is folly. I understand that BA is stuck with Winston for the time being. The GM is stuck with Winston until they “can” him. He is going down with the ship. BA can fix this by getting a better, even average QB and letting Winston go. What bothers me about BA is that he using the kick returner as a way of removing talk from the real problem with is Winston. It is not the coaching or the players. It is Winston and he will never change.

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    • I see the latest moves as merely more of the continuous roster churning that BA said they would be doing throughout the season.

      Perception can be everything for someone.

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  12. Just re watched all of JW’s snaps from Sunday, here’s what stood out. Jameis stares down his first read, and this is particularly troubling, he pats the ball before he throws it. Now if I can pick that up on film every DB, DC can see it too. Not only does Winston tell you where he’s going to throw it, he pats the ball, and tells the DB when he’s going to throw it. Double whammy, and two big reasons why he throws so many picks. On the interception where his arm is hit as he’s releasing it had he not patted the ball first, his arm wouldn’t have been hit. That extra split second he takes makes a big difference. If his first read isn’t there, and he feels any pressure he starts moving, sometimes out of a solid pocket. He then has to scan the field, find an open receiver, you would think he’d know where they should be, reload, pat, pat throw. That’s why he’s taking hits, sacks, and tipping off where the ball is going. Not once did I see Jameis look off the secondary before throwing the ball. He threw some nice passes, but even with time, he missed open receivers, or put the ball where it would have to be a circus catch. Lastly, every time Jameis looked up at the score board, he’d stare, then have to squint to see what he was looking out. He’s got bad peeps to boot. Yes the team could’ve played better around him, but this loss was on Jameis. There no fixing him. He is what he is. If anything this new coaching, and scheme has him more confused then ever. Watch the tape it don’t lie, and I’m not lying. Paying Jameis next year would be throwing good money, into a bad QB.

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  13. Carolina scored 37 points on less than 300 yards of total offense, in great part to the fantastic field position from some of the turnovers. They got 17 points off turnovers, but only had to go a grand total of 42 yards to get those points. McCaffrey was held to under 60 total scrimmage yards again. 7 of their 14 possessions ended in punts. Our defense got 8 tackles for loss, 2 sacks and 4 QB hits. But enough of the silver lining stat lines….

    The total yards could have been much worse. Carolina proved they could move the ball with scoring drives of 99 and 75 yards. Problem was they didn’t have to go that far to score. Just wait for the INT, make 2 first downs and you’re in the red zone.

    Jameis – 1 INT was because his arm was hit. The final one was a hail Mary. The other 3? I put 2 on Winston but his very first pass I put on Evans not being aware of the tight coverage/surroundings. He should have come forward and took that one. Beyond that Winston held the ball too long. They rushed 4 and dropped 7 in coverage on 4 receivers. No way he was going to find an open target. Winston should have had a drop count: if you can count to 3 get rid of the ball.

    Evans had 2 deep balls that he should have caught. Could have dramatically changed the outcome of the game.

    The OLine dropped a stinker. Knowing they were handicapped Leftwich should have called for a ton of checkdowns.

    Our DLine gave Allen too much time to find an open receiver, and with a secondary as porous as ours that’s not a good thing to do. Our guys are not good enough to play man coverage. They need to double team their best receiver, but time and again I saw Hargreaves all by his lonesome against their WR1. And how does someone as big as Greg Olsen get open on a consistent basis? Guess we threw 7 men at CMC only to have the back 4 burnt to a crisp.

    I’ve said it before… When we lose, it’s kind of expected so I get over it quickly. But when we win, oh man do I like to revel in it all week long! It’s time to shake this off, take a week to figure out how to compensate for the weaknesses, and go kick some Tennessee ass.

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    • Amen!

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  14. This secondary is awful with no fix in sight for at least the remainder of the year. On the bright side, with so many offensive weapons we should be able to outscore just about anyone provided that Lefty is willing to put some creative thought into game plans. Offensive line not holding up, how about move Winston off the spot? Roll outs…change the launching point away from the pressure? Nobody to step up at third receiver, how about a three tight end set with Auclair, Brate, and Howard with Howard split outside as a receiver and Godwin in the slot? How about Howard at full back? Show them something they haven’t seen at worst it’s any opportunity to cause confusion. Ronald Jones and Peyton Barber in I formation with some misdirection anyone? Like Captain Sky said, Scotty Miller on the Jet Sweep? Our offensive line can’t stop anyone and week after week I see our OC calling long developing routes. More screens, draws…? Something, anything! I can’t imagine what kind of field day Sean McVay or Kyle Shanahan would have drawing up plays with our offensive talent after watching the SF LA game. Last two weeks we ran the screen to OJ for 20 yards a pop. Call it again…and again, then run it on the other side, run it until somebody shows you they can stop it. So our secondary sucks, but with some forward thinking play design who can stop us? What a waste.

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    • Our front seven are performing well. Our back four are performing poorly as a whole.

      All our 10 DBs are inexperinced. Adams, Smith and Hargreaves are four years in the league, but how much game experience do they each actually have? Can our young DBs come on strong in the next nine games.

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  15. I’m with BA. Concerns me too. Good leaders know when to just eat the ball and take more sacks or throw it away. He can’t make things worse. There are plenty of games that the Patriots win when Tom Brady throws for 0 TDs and 1 INT. I think two of those kind of games have already happened THIS year. This quietly gets ignored in his Hall of Fame-worthy career.

    Good leaders know not to make things worse when it’s going to be a hard day. Poor running game yesterday. Poor pass protection yesterday. I don’t think Winston could’ve done anything better than a 0 TD 1 INT type of game. But one thing Winston CANNOT do anymore… is make it worse.

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  16. Just answer this one question? Is Jameis a $100 mil QB?

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    • Is any qb really worth it outside of Brady??? He has never had a losing season. He has been to the afc champ game the last 7 or 8 years in a row… So that’s it Brady no other qb is worth it… Brady is 6-3 in superbowls and it most likely be 7 thus year… teams are more the qbs it takes everyone… look at the team around JW… name a position group where ur like we are set… ME13 drops alot of balls that are perfect sometimes makes questionable decisions doesn’t run the best routes yet he isn’t called out. Cg12 is a beast but I don’t he is a true number 1. I love his heart tho. Tight ends have been meh and lavonte is great. I named 5 guys. Everyone else is underperforming in a new scheme… So I expect better against the titans… cut down turnovers and penalties and we are ok… staff has been in place only 8 or 9 months and we want them all fired that is the main culprit of what’s wrong with the team

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    • The answer is no. He’s not worth 100 million. But he’s still the starting QB and will be the rest of the year. Arians didn’t come here to coach Griffin. If Griffin was that good Koetter would have played him. Winston is and will be the starter all year long so everyone better take a deep breath and settle in. Arians is going to ride Jameis through the good and bad then his future will be decided after the season is over. I just hope for “good” Jameis, better oline play, better offensive play calling and some pass defense.

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  17. A repeat performance? Coach is blind then as Winston had a great warm up against the Saints last week with 2 INTS called back because of penalties and 3-4 dropped by the Saints D. All the warning signs were there that Winston was close to laying an egg, it just took flying across the pond for him to finally do it. Arians should have been spitting mad at the end of the Saints game and putting Winston on notice that he’ll be benched if he really does deliver another shitty performance. That performance in London should have Winston riding pine as a reward for his hard work.

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  18. Bucianco…I agree 2 interceptions was Winston fault.I still feel the staff handcuff Winston by telling him not to run just sit in the pocket when there is daylight running room.This is part of his sack taking!Receivers not getting open fast enough so he hold the ball.Take a look at the Panthers receivers..not a #1 receivers but a lot of speed guys.Bad as Winston is playing he is in the top 5 passing which is still unbelievable!When the Bucs draft a young QB tell him not to run just sit in the pocket.Most college QB run for first downs and not afraid to run.

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    • Great Point! The Ravens won yesterday with Lamar Jackson rushing for over 150yds. Imagine if Lamar Jackson or Kyler Murray was our QB and after the Win yesterday: BA steps to the podium and congratulates the team on a great win and then says “if I could just get him to stop running around and throw it away” “I would be happy”. He would look like the Fossil he is right now!

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  19. Winston takes sacks because he’s not a quick twitch athlete, he has a wind up slow delivery, probably from baseball pitching. He does not process information quickly. If his first read is covered, he struggles getting to his second, let alone third. He takes extra time patting the ball before throwing it. He has trouble seeing the field, because he’s near sighted, and won’t use contacts, or glasses when he plays. Winston is, and always will be an inconsistent NFL QB. His first throw Sunday was just like his first throw of his career, an interception. I’ve been hearing the same BS going on five years. I can’t turn the ball over, yet it keeps happening. I don’t care how many TD’s, or yards he throws for, he loses more games then he wins, and will continue to do so. If you can live with his up, and down play fine, he’s the guy for you. If the Bucs are ever going to play consistent winning football, it’s not going to happen with an inconsistent QB like Winston.

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    • If Tom Brady played in this system who is virtually a Statue in the pocket had to wait on Mike Evans to loaf down the field or Godwin to run a 15yd comeback route, you would complain that he’s too old, washed up, or Too Slow. Basically this is the same broken down offense that Koetter ran less the TE’s and no real Running Attack, where the QB has to take 5 to 7 step drop backs and throw a low percentage 20yd pass.

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    • Wow, Winston “won’t use contacts or glasses when he plays”. No one has ever brought this up before. (At least I have not seen this mentioned before.) If this is true it is an amazing fact.

      How about it contributors! What is the poop? Does anyone have more on this?

      How about it Pewter Report (Mark Cook)! Is there an in depth story here? Just how good or bad is Winston’s eyesight? (Will you react only if I send an email or twitter question directly to PR?)

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  20. jason Licht record
    2014: 2-14
    2015: 6-10
    2016: 9-7
    2017: 5-11
    2018: 5-11
    2019: 2-4
    29W-57L (33.7%), gets an extension???
    LOL

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    • Working for the Glazers must be awesome

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  21. @horse It’s too early in the season for BA to publicly give up on Jameis. He said a few things that make me believe the bloom is off the rose, but if he says much more he loses the team for the rest of the year. We’re essentially in the middle of the season and there aren’t many options. I think we’re stuck until we’re mathematically out of it and the off season is officially all we have to look for. We’ll see what he says then.

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    • Yes you are probably right; it just bothers me that we just can’t move on to another quarterback. At some point hope just doesn’t work.

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  22. You know the Bucs have a bunch of fair weather fans when half of the comments sound like they were made by Suck-Ass-Bob…and only one actually was!

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    • Eric noticed others are getting it, the team is a f-ing joke
      Hey Eric we are getting tired of losing, we are getting tired of the three Glazer stooges

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  23. When you go back and watch Brad Johnson video the guy was expert at throwing the ball away. Quick look left, look down the middle, look right and before you count to 5 the ball gets through out of bounds. Used to drive me crazy, but the guy won a Super Bowl.

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    • It is part of good game management by any NFL QB with a few very rare exceptions. Most of the best make their decisions rather quickly.

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  24. Bucianco, I pretty much saw the same thing as you.
    I also concur with your opinion of the offensive play calling.
    If the Bucs expect to win consistently, they are going to need better play calling than what we have seen.

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  25. We have sucked for along time . Different players and coaches along the way. Same owners and same results. Same bad Decisions. Have we had the same scouts? If so they need to Go

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  26. Nobody is advocating benching Jameis for Griffith! Nobody! What I was advocating for was for Jameis to be benched for the second half! He was playing terrible! Send him a message. For Christ sakes he threw the INT right to the linebacker. There wasn’t a receiver even in my TV screen! Sit Him down, talk to him. Tell him what u want him to know and pat him on the back and tell him you’ll see him next week. That’s all I was suggesting. No, Griffith isn’t the equal of Jameis and no, he isn’t going to take Jameis’s starting job! Nobody is suggesting such. All players are subject to being replaced if they are struggling on a particular day. That doesn’t mean they lose their starting job. That’s just crazy. Lastly, I’m not concerned with the “forced” errors Jameis makes with a 300 lbs D-Lineman on his azz. I’m more concerned when there is a decent pocket and he just makes a horrible decision and his ball security. Every QB knows that once u start scrambling and running around u have to get rid of the ball as now players are coming from behind u as well! Look Jameis is 25 years old! He is the leading passer in terms of yards in Buccaneer history! Jameis clearly has ability… this is clear. He threw for 400 yards on Sunday and he sucked. Yes, Oline sucks! But Jameis should be making better progress in terms of the “unforced” errors. That’s all I’m saying. And yes, I’m one fan who is VERY concerned in giving him 28 mil a year for another 5 years! This is a bit scary to me. I worry if there will be cap money after everyone is Resigned to surround Jameis with the talent he needs to succeed, especially on the Oline. I’m still a Buc fan! Always have been, since 1975! Season tickets for 30 years, though I recently gave them up. Hope BA gets things turned around because he will not be the first coach to hang his coaching success on the helmet of JW! Go Bucs!

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  27. It would only ‘Concern him’? Geezus. We are screwed.

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  28. Jeez there’s a lot of manic depressive Buc fans.

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    • I’m one of them. This is not fun at all. I had expectations. Naively so it would appear.

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      • Striving to be a diehard optimist is not wrong. You have to find ways to bounce back just as the players do after losses.

        It is natural to trend toward despondence after putting so much of your emotional self into it. It is unhealthy as an individual or as an fan to allow yourself to dwell in the negative, however. Then you just become cynical and become a “troll” or some other kind of loser yourself.

        I am still looking for BA to turn this thing around sooner than later, with or without Jameis Winston.
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        Go Bucs!!!

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        • I tend to agree senile and seat26. I think the best approach is to not have any emotion for now. Not optimistic; not pessimistic. Just watch the games dispassionately and enjoy them for what they are.
          Damn that’s hard to do!!

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  29. I agree with BA all the way.

    Winston has made progress this season. He’s picking up the new offense really well. He’s young, has a great arm, has solid escapability, and has been durable with all the contact he’s taken. Those picks Sunday weren’t all on him. Most were actually on other people entirely(looking at you Mike Evans).

    That said, Winston did look really bad at times again. He sacked himself on multiple occasions by holding onto the ball. The refs haven’t helped him either. There were multiple face masks Winston suffered that weren’t called. He was also clubbed in the head a couple times as defenders were swiping for the ball and no flag. The constant pressure and contact is taking a toll on Winston. Football is 90% above the neck.

    The Bucs need to run more screens, designed check downs, and slants to keep the defense guessing. It protects the line, the QB and wears out the defense. The Patriots have done this for years. New Orleans does this. This isn’t rocket science. This offense can be special with these players.

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  30. This was a bad game, very bad. But to all of you calling for Jameis to be benched, the only question I have is…”who replaces him?” There is nobody on the current roster or in FA that I would consider an upgrade. BA is wise to ride with Jameis until at least the end of the season. This offseason we will be able to look at other options at QB and get some Oline talent that we desperately need. At this point in the season there just isn’t any viable options out there.

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  31. Arians is going to be “concerned” if there is a repeat performance. Let me predict right now – it probably will happen again against a very good defense. Very good defenses the Bucs still have to play this year:
    Saints – 11/17
    Jaguars – 11/1
    Colts – 12/8
    Lions – 12/15
    Texans – 12/22
    While I don’t expect him to play this badly against all those teams, the odds are fairly high at least one time he will repeat this again before the season is over. He has 5 chances to repeat this performance. Note: Winston has thrown more interceptions that any other starter this year except for Baker Mayfield who has thrown 11, Winston has thrown 10. No one else has thrown more.

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  32. “No. I look at the reasons why, what happened, and if it happens again, yeah, it’ll concern the hell out of me.”

    What you do mean by “if”?

    It will happen again. The best predictor of future performance is past performance.

    Here comes the cowardly downvote brigade. Don’t care. You know I’m right.

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  33. After months of planning and building excitement, the entire Scubog family went on a six day trip to London. Needless to say, the “home” game was a huge letdown to an otherwise “proper” time. This was an all too typical Buccaneer “home” game as Panther fans outnumbered Bucs fans by 3 to 1. This was curious to me since I would have expected the European NFL fans to be relatively evenly split or neutral. Of course when the game started with an INT, any who were still undecided as to which team to “support”, quickly made what turned out to be the right choice. Still this was something I had to “sort”. Finally on the plane ride home, speaking to a person with some knowledge of the situation, I got my answer. Those fans weren’t pro-Panther. They were anti-Glazers and as-such anti-Bucs because of Manchester United. Sad.

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    • Yes, Manchester United is just as bad, if not worse, than the Bucs. At least Manchester United had a storied history for winning championships until the Glazers bought them. Now they are known for being very mediocre, a slight level above the Bucs. If nothing else, the Glazers are consistent at losing. They are not their father.

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  34. Sorry you had to see that game live bro. Lol. Never been to UK don’t really like traveling much overall.

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  35. The Panthers had a better game plan this second time and a better QB. The first game they tried McCoy at DT and he was just as bad as when he played for us. Then they realized what I had commented on back at the start of this season. If we were going to a 3-4 Defense McCoy with his fast getoff would make a great DE. Finally the Panthers moved McCoy to DE (probably over his wishes otherwise) and voila McCoy was very effective this time even running over our best lineman, Marpet, and allowing the Panthers to get great pressure just with four downlinemen, so they could use 7 players to drop back and smother our three receivers, which forced Jameis to hold the ball too long because usually everyone was covered. They also were playing zone coverage and all seven could keep their eyes on Jameis and help them get interceptions. As Surferdudes explained often Jameis was staring down his main target and has a windup delivery which gives the Defense time to get in position to intercept and watching for his pat on the ball indicating a throw was coming, they then were able to time their jump on the receiver. BA needs to realize all this and that all future teams we will play will study how the Panther’s stopped us and BA needs to prepare plays to dupe them. He needs to let Jameis have the option to run instead of throwing away. Have him stare first at a receiver he isn’t targeting and have the target receiver then cut back toward Jameis just as he begins to run and let Jameis then unload to the target without first patting the ball. Also have a lot more screens and outlet passes to RBs and ends around and fleaflickers and set up plays they would never expect. If Jameis is still overthrowing players or getting intercepted he should be told ahead of time that then he will be temporarily relieved so he can sit with a coach to help him calm down and get hydrated and can keep cool and go back in and win the ball game. BA is wise enough to make the above happen and take down the also 2 and 4 Titans by Coaching better. He also needs to make our DC move Vernon Hargreaves to only cover slot receivers and get a faster CB opposite Davis such as Dean, Ryan Smith, or Bunting with the fastest CB covering the top receiver of the opponent and all CBs playing man to man and using White to spy their QB and try to intercept or tip passes. We should not play zone. Use blitzes too like the Panthers did after the half. When we cannot get to the QB hold up hands by our front players and tip passes off their targets.

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  36. Well I see we’re about split as to where we are right now. So we’ll just wait to see what happens in the next few games.
    Hopefully I’ll be surprised and will admit that I was wrong; I don’t mind doing it . How many of you will do the same after still convinced Bruce Arians is going to turn around Winston’s and if it doesn’t happen will admit they were wrong?

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  37. If Winston doesn’t get it together he is out of here, his decision making is going to destroy his career. He is making a bad team worse. We have seen this movie with him & many other Buc. QB’s. This team has not drafted & developed a Franchise QB since DW. I’m tired of the excuses of coaching,play calling,talent,injuries. I have not seen any problems with the center Qb exchange. It is mostly on Winston he has 52 professional football players just like the other 31 QB’s in the league. He just lost to Wayne Who? Because Wayne made better decisions with the ball. Winston still thinks he is better than he really is. After 4+ years I don’t think he cares about winning.

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  38. You dudes bloviate about cutting Jameis, “moving on”, blah blah & yackety smackety…move on to whom? As poor & inexplicable as his play has been this season and career, I think he’s easily better than 10-12 QB1’s right now. Obviously that’s not good enough and we deserve and demand better. What’s best for our beloved Buccaneers? I don’t know. ☠️

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