Cover 3 is a weekly feature column written by PewterReport.com’s Tampa Bay Bucs beat writer Trevor Sikkema published every Tuesday. The column, as its name suggests, comes in three phases: a statistical observation, an in-depth film breakdown, and a “this or that” segment where the writer asks the reader to chose between two options.

Sikkema’s Stat of the Week

Five years ago they were the can’t miss prospects in the class. Entering the 2015 NFL Draft, the teams picking at the top had a treat. If you get one sure-fire quarterback in a draft pool, you’re happy. But two? And at the caliber of these players? It was a win-win. You couldn’t go wrong.

Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota; the NFL had been waiting a long time to get their hands on these guys. As a redshirt freshman in 2013, Winston set the world on fire. In his first year as a full-time starter, he was the best in college football. He threw for 40 touchdowns to just 10 interceptions, won some of the biggest games the sport had to offer, including a National Championship, and won the Heisman Trophy that season. On the other side, we hadn’t seen an assassin in the pocket like Marcus Mariota in a long time. In his three years as a starter, Mariota threw for 105 touchdowns and just 14 interceptions. His QBR was 171 for his career, and he, too, was a Heisman Trophy winner in 2014 one year after Winston.

As the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and the Tennessee Titans were set to kick off the 2015 NFL Draft, there was hardly any pressure in terms of which position to pick. Sure, there was a lot that had to go into choosing between Winston and Mariota, but it was like a choosing between rib eye and filet, a Benz and an Audi, Michael Jordan or LeBron James. You could argue forever — there were plenty of pros on each side — but in the end both were great. You couldn’t lose.

Fast forward to 2019 and not only did one of these teams lose, we’re now getting dangerously close to saying both did.

Marcus Mariota was benched at halftime this week for Ryan Tannehill, a move that certainly puts into motion that the Titans are going to be looking for a new franchise quarterback next offseason. The Bucs didn’t bench Winston this week — though they have before — but his six-turnover performance was one of the worst days we’ve seen from him in a Buccaneers uniform, and that, unfortunately, is saying a lot.

We’re a long way from 2015. Have both of these quarterbacks improved? I would say they have. They are better than when they came into the league. But the injuries around Mariota really set him back, something he was never able to recover from, physically or mentally. He is no longer the automatic assassin we saw at Oregon, and instead makes the small things look difficult. And for Winston, his downfall is that his superman complex, one that made him a hero at Florida State, has now (ironically) become his biggest kryptonite.

Three head coaches, even more offensive coordinators and even more quarterbacks coaches; each has brought their own twists and tactics to teaching the position in hopes of finally getting through to Winston in a way that allows him to take the next step so many believe he has within him. These many teachers have certainly all taught Winston different tricks and different styles (which can become a negative with limited continuity). But from all of them there has likely been one common lesson that continues to be taught to this day.

“You don’t have to be Superman.”

Bucs QB Jameis Winston
Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Getty Images

It’s safe to say that for as long as Winston has been playing football he’s been one of the best if not the best players on the field. In high school he was dominant, in college he was dominant, and even in the NFL, when he’s at his best, he’s shown flashes of Top 10 QB talent. Going back to his roots, Winston has been leaned on to be “the man.” Certainly his talent has something to do with it. But the quarterback position is also a natural spot for eyes and ears to rest on and look towards when a play needs to be made. Winston puts a lot of pressure on himself to be the one to make such plays. He did in high school. He did in college. But he doesn’t do it nearly enough in the NFL for the very reason of he works his hardest to achieve them.

Winston wants to win. The desire to win keeps him up at night. It’s what causes him to be in the building before anyone else each morning. It’s what made him the choice at No. 1 all those year ago over Mariota. He’s starving for it. That has never been in question. But at what point does the costs part of “winning at all costs” start to become the approach to winning itself?

I would argue that point is right now, and it’s been present for a long time.

A big reason why Bucs head coach Bruce Arians came out of retirement to this Tampa Bay team was because of Jameis Winston. He loved Winston’s talent and his fire, and Arians thought he could fix Winston with those cornerstones of character in place. But if this were a movie, Dirk Koetter would be playing the role of Red Skull in Avengers: Infinity War where he is talking to Thanos about obtaining the soul stone. Thanos thinks he has what it takes to get the stone; Arians thought he knew what it would take to change Winston. In the words of Koetter as Red Skull: “We all think that at first. We are all wrong.”

Winston becoming the franchise quarterback he was drafted to be isn’t going to cost a soul, but it is going to cost an identity. Winton has to let his Superman complex die — a request I am not sure he can adhere to. There are times when Winston wants to make the play so bad he doesn’t, and not only does he not, he often makes things worse. Every coach who has come through Tampa Bay has talked about not wanting to coach the gunslinger out of Winston, and yet they require him to not be Superman about plays. I’m starting to wonder if such a middle ground even exists in Winston.

This past Sunday Jameis Winston threw his 100th touchdown pass. He is the only Buccaneers player to do so, and is only the fifth quarterback to ever do so by age 25 or younger. He has the most completions, the most passing yards and the most passing touchdowns in Tampa Bay Buccaneers history. His name already claims the top spots on many of the pages of the franchise’s record books, all before his second contract. And yet if he’s not careful, his name, like every quarterback’s name that has come before him in Tampa, will fail to get a second contract.

Winston’s six turnovers on Sunday were the most in a single NFL game since 2016. He now has five games with four or more turnovers since 2015. No other player has more than two such games. He has the second most turnovers in the league since the start of the 2018 season.

The problem isn’t that Winston won’t stop turning the ball over. The problem is that he can’t seem to help it.

Head coach Bruce Arians – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

The Bucs O-Line was terrible on Sunday, but Winston didn’t help them. The secondary has been terrible for years, but that doesn’t take away Winston’s blunders. The coaching staffs haven’t been what the team thought they would be before. But now they have a proven winner — proven winners — all across the staff, and they can’t seem to make it stop.

I am not saying that Winston is void of talent. That is clearly not the case. Just look at what he did in the middle of their first six games. He was fantastic. But what I am saying is that it is getting more and more obvious that at some point, Superman Winston will come back, and ironically that is this team’s kryptonite. Winston wasn’t the only reason why they lost last week, but he was a reason. And that’s been his story since 2015.

The longer they do this the more it becomes clear that Winston’s 2013 season at Florida State was an outlier. Since then he’s been unreliable. Don’t get me wrong. At times he’s been stellar, and they’ve won because of it. But of all you know about Winston, can he ever string those games along long enough for it to matter?

You could see it on Arians’ face on the sidelines this past weekend. He knows this is going to be tougher than he thought. Winston has helped this team ascend in many moments. But he is also what holds them back. That’s reality. Can you win a Super Bowl with that? Time and patience to answer that question is running out.

On Monday, Arians was asked if this week’s game changes whether or not he believes Winston can be a franchise quarterback.

“No. I look at the reasons why, what happened, and if it happens again, yeah, it’ll concern the hell out of me.”

Sunday wasn’t the first time, Bruce.

Sunday was the “again.”

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Trevor Sikkema is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers beat reporter and NFL Draft analyst for PewterReport.com. Sikkema, an alumnus of the University of Florida, has covered both college and professional football for much of his career. As a native of the Sunshine State, when he's not buried in social media, Sikkema can be found out and active, attempting to be the best athlete he never was. Sikkema can be reached at: [email protected]

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  1. Bruce Arians thinks denial is a river in Egypt Bruce Arians is going to ruin his reputation here if he does not Change the course of this team.
    At first I was excited when Bruce Arians came to Tampa but when he got up on the podium and told how much respect you have for the glaziers I saw he was a bullsh-tter and I see it here NFL has a habit of exposing BUll Sh-t Good luck Brucie

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  2. I’m not done with Winston. I don’t think Arians is in over his head. I think BA needs to take over play calling. I am done with Jason Licht. Since drafting Jameis, he has don’t nothing to improve the O Line or secondary. Both have been major weaknesses for the team for years, the secondary being weaker longer. He has tried to fix the secondary in recent years, but most look like failures. Outside of D Smith, Marpet (both in the same draft) and Cappa, he hasn’t done much drafting OL.

    I still think we can see Jameis be a top QB in the league. I was skeptical of Leftwich calling plays, from the minute it was announced. I’d like to see Jameis behind an good OL. I’d like to see him with a better secondary. I do like the Bowles hire, and I do think it’s been the best defense we’ve had in years.

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    • I’m somewhat skeptical about Leftwich’s ability to game plan and call plays. This offense excels when using the run to setup play action. This can only happen when: (1) you rush the ball effectively enough that the defense has to take the threat seriously, and (2) you’re not putting yourself 3 touchdowns or more behind with turnovers. No. 2 is not on Leftwich, but no. 1 is. At least it is when you abandon the run too early or run it so often it becomes predictable, both of which Leftwich is guilty of doing.

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    • You don’t know what you are talking about.
      Bucs Offense Points Scored Rank in the NFL with Jameis.

      4th – 2019
      12th – 2018
      18th – 2017
      19th – 2016
      20th – 2015

      Bucs Defense Points Allowed
      30th – 2019
      31st – 2018
      24th – 2017
      15th – 2016
      25th – 2015

      It’s Not Him. It’s the Defense

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      • You just showed us the offense has been mediocre. That’s not all Jameis’ fault. But watching him play, he’s not good. Indecisive, inaccurate, turnover prone. For every great game he plays, he has a terrible game. The rest are average. Considering the weapons he has, this team shouldn’t struggle. It does. The defense is a problem, no doubt. But Jameis isn’t worth the money or investment moving forward. If this defense were to improve and we somehow made it to the playoffs, would anyone trust Winston to win those games? Not a chance.

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  3. None of this analysis does any good right now. All they can do is regroup and try to beat Tennessee. Yes Winston had a melt down. The line is garbage. The bigger problem is that Licht does not know how to build a football team. So many bad draft choices. Bad free agents. They have to take what they have and try to win with it. Quick throws. Long Drop backs are not going to work because he has no protection. Focus on beating Tennessee and go to 3-4 then deal with what comes next. That’s all they can do right now.

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  4. Certainly done with Winston, his first INT and the one to Kuechly are just constant reminders that this dude just can’t figure it out. Luke Kuechly is an absolutely great linebacker, he made a great fake, but who on our team was Jameis even throwing the ball too? None of our receivers were even breaking into that zone on the field! He threw it straight to him!! He will never be able to win a Super Bowl cause he can’t even play well for 4 games or longer to even get us into the playoffs! He’s worse than Trent Dilfer was! His penchant for just killing any chance of our team winning has been unparalleled. Sucks cause Jason Licht has gotta go too, he can’t be so disappointing in drafting 1st and 2nd rd players over and over and over and over and over and over again. We’re probably stuck with at least another year of him though. But I hope they get rid of Jameis this offseason.

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    • Just to point out for clarification, Charlie, Winston was throwing to the bottom WR who was doing a crossing route behind the LB’s. So there was actually a receiver being thrown to – Keuchly just picked it midway.

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      • Not buying that crap, the receiver that broke over the middle was going in the opposite direction or the throw and the other was barely within 10 yards of the throw…this was Winaton throwing it to nobody, like he so often does.

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  5. I’m just going to watch the rest of the season before I answer those questions. So tired of the see-sawing of the fans on a week-to-week basis.

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    • Absolutely agree with you.

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  6. The Bucs go as Jameis goes! It’s that simple. The QB gets all the glory and all the venom. I hope Jameis and Bucs can turn it around. Leftwich seems to have left Jameis out to get killed with his play calling. Not impressed. Like to see BA take back play calling duties. This offensive scheme does not appear to put Jameis in a good position to excel a lot of times. If u can’t block the defense then max protect with a TE in backfield or something! Why did Leftwich seem to go away from using RoJo? With out establishing a run game then teams will continue to tee off on Winston!

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    • With regards to establishing the running game…. a statistic not identified often here, is how effective the play-action has been for the Bucs

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  7. Winston is still a young man with a arm and sufficient athleticism to become a good quarterback some day. IMHO giving up on him now will one day rival our decision to give up on Steve Young. But the only way one learns is truly holding them accountable.

    BA is the quarterback whisper… and is known for holding people accountable. So I was a little surprised with the repeated message of take chances.

    Leftwich has experience… even with weak teams… I’m surprised that he doesn’t game plan to allow Winston a few easy passes to help get him in a grove. I’m also disappointed that the game plan doesn’t appear to change much based upon what’s working//not working… unless you’re referencing the giant game where we stopped doing what was working.

    And as much as Licht has shown little ability to pick… with the exception of the honey badger…. there are very few good draft picks in Arizona during BA’s time

    However… I do have good faith in BA… he’s forgotten more than I will ever know… I know I just have to patient. As a Buc fan since inception, I’m obviously patiently waiting with my rose-coloured glasses for the next winning season

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  8. I’m all in with BA. He acknowledged that they were out coached. I would say they were also out hustled. The Panthers wanted it more. We were lethargic and uninspired. That’s terribly disappointing. We are what we are–a team with an outstanding run defense, some good receivers, and a decent left side of the offensive line. Every team has weaknesses in the NFL. The good teams make adjustments and figure out how to compensate when they have been exposed. The Panthers are a very beatable team. You shut down McCafferty and stop them on third down. We did that for the post part aside from one miserable 99 yard drive. But 7 turnovers can not be overcome. We exposed the Rams and they haven’t been the same. Detroit exposed KC. New England has yet to play a winning team, so we don’t know how good they are. New Orleans has the best coaching in the league. The 49ers look good but have yet to play anyone with a winning record. There do not appear to be any monster teams in the league, which is what the NFL wants.
    The problems with Jamies are all cognitive. He has desire; he has a great arm; he plays hard. He just doesn’t process information quickly enough. The best quarterbacks are cerebral. They understand the game; they are strategic. Jamies shows little ability to overcome adversity. When he opens the game hot like in Los Angeles, he is virtually unstoppable. But when he opens the game flat or with a huge mistake, he never gets his mojo back. Can that be coached. Ideally, yes, but it depends. The question comes down to character. Freud said you could change a person’s behavior, but you can’t change their character. I have rooted for Jamies. I want him to succeed, but I had serious doubts based on the character traits he brought with him from his undergraduate experience. I can’t say I’ve given up; I continue to hope. But the signs are not good. A good leader makes the group better than they are. Jamies seems to be brought down by whatever deficiencies exist surrounding him–the offensive line. The combination of a rookie playcaller and an headcase QB is a hard formula to produce a winner. These are much the same qualities that inhibited Vinnie Testeverde from becoming a Hall of Fame QB. He had the arm–oh brother did he. But he just didn’t have the head or the players around him early in his career. Experience matters. When you’ve been drummed and beaten up like Testeverde or Winston, it takes its toll. This is the problem with quarterbacks drafted among the first five six picks. They come into the league with high expectations and lousy teammates. They get rushed into playing too early. Even the Rams and Eagles have to be questioning the big investments they made on the basis of little evidence. Look what is happening in Cleveland.

    I continue to root for Jamies and especially for the team. The only winning teams we have left on our schedule are Seattle, New Orleans, and Houston. If we win one or two of those, then beat the teams we should beat, Atlanta twice, Arizona, Indy, Jacksonville, Detroit, and Tennessee, we can still salvage this season. Of course, that is unlikely, but none of these including Seattle and Houston are world beaters.

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    • Good post. I’ve been a consistent supporter of Jameis. He has the physical skills and flat out desire to be great. He’s the hardest worker on this team for as long as he’s been here and so far, has avoided major injuries. It may be semantics, but I attribute his weaknesses to personality and maturity, not character. He’s made progress this season, but in bad situations he reverts to self destruct mode. To me that’s mostly maturity. His Superman mentality is personalty to me, where he just believes in himself that he can make the play no matter what. Call it arrogance or whatever, but that’s personality.

      I think he processes information quickly enough, but our play calling is horrible. Pass plays requiring mostly 5 and 7 step drops for slow developing plays and deep out routes make no sense with this line. We’ve demonstrated that we can run the ball, but then we give up on the run. The quick slot screen to Howard has been great, except we’ve only used it twice all season. We run NO quick slants. We rarely use two excellent TE’s. To say the least, I’m less impressed with Leftwich calling plays than I was with Dirk.

      I want Jameis to be successful here, but the negative clouds just keep getting darker. It may take a change of scenery and a fresh start with another team for him to make it. That would be a shame.

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      • After close to 5 1/2 years in the NFL Winston does not seem to be able to change. He cannot overcome the trait or inner habit. I had hoped it was just a matter of long standing bad habits. In that case it should be able to be coached out of him.

        Right now BA has his work cut out for him. If it is habit and not a much, much deeper flaw then so be it. The next nine games will have to demonstrate a dramatic change and seemingly miraculous turnaround in Winston’s performance for him to be signed to any long term “franchise” contract after this season.

        Whether Jameis Winston’s major flaw is internal to his character or just bad habit is the key. I don’t know which it is.

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  9. Trade Winston for Mariota, maybe it will revive both of their careers….like Eli Manning and Phillip rivers

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  10. I need to see quicker plays (ball out quick), develop more running plays for other guys (Miller, Howard, Perriman), why cant we ever run a fricking jet sweep? More screens to Rojo , more draws and for gods sakes more Winston moving the chains with his legs. I was over finally over Winston on Sunday, but a couple days later it wasn’t all his fault. If his first or second reads are not there look to run or throw it away. Not to run around and dance around and look for a miracle pass!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  11. Dear Bruce
    You have 2 weeks off if you want to save your reputation! send a letter to Jason and Glazer’s informing them you are running the team, you are coaching the team the way you see best, It is clear they are calling major shots, it is your reputation on the line they hide their mistakes behind your face.
    If they do not agree walk away save your own ass!
    You have been in football 50 years the Glazers are clueless of how to win they were raised on a silver spoon and given the pass on everything thier entire life
    Their years spent in special gym did not teach them anything about football.
    If you do not want one of the dreaded December firings where the blame is placed on you!
    take control today!
    Ray Charles could see their handprints all over the choices of coaches and players.
    Buc Ass Bob

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  12. Fascinating story that shows what happened to the 2015 draft when the Bucs picked first. Not only have neither QB worked out that well, but many of the players that followed them. It is going down now as one of the worst draft’s in NFL history. Not done yet but getting close.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/simultaneous-implosion-of-jameis-winston-and-marcus-mariota-signals-sad-end-to-2015-nfl-draft/ar-AAIMhz4

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    • Before the 2015 draft talk got heated up it was viewed as the weakest draft class in memory. All that sober talk goes out the window as the draft nears though. That is a direct result of journalism being a for profit industry. They don’t generate buzz, no one reads, they don’t get paid.

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  13. Winston is average at best. A great game. A miserable game. That is NOT a starting NFL QB. He is also an embarrassment to his community. Would you leave your daughter alone with this guy??? DON’T pay him the going rate for an NFL QB. Take the money and get an EDGE rusher, and offensive tackle, and and DECENT, PREDICTABLE QB. They are out there. The panthers found one.

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  14. Winston is who is he, a hot and cold qb who will always be inconsistent. He will always have a place in his league as a solid back up or maybe even a journeyman, but I am finished with Winston unless we start winning a lot of games and he goes the rest of the season without a multi turnover games which I highly doubt will happen. It sucks cause I really believed that this would be the year we finally see some consistency but we can’t sign him to a long term deal! It’s time to start over with the search for our franchise qb once again but it is what it is.

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  15. I don’t envy the decision makers at One Buc.

    Winston is what he is, and seems that is unlikely to change. If you keep him, you will see this type of game again.

    BUT, the problem really comes to light when you stop and ask: could many other QBs do better with this team? Maybe they would turn it over less, but would we see more wins? Would the best performing QBs out there be any better than Winston behind this O-line? What about with the pedestrian run game? Or lackluster defense? Perhaps the better question is, would any QB that is actually available to you via trade or draft for next year be any better than Winston?

    Maybe not better – but probably a better value when you consider the contract dollars.

    Finally, thinking about those points above, I keep asking myself if I think Winston would actually WANT to come back to the Bucs next year. I think if he got a fresh start with a team that is more solid and a better organization you could see him do a lot better.

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    • I think of a player like Russell Wilson who has had to run for his life in Seattle cause of their previously poor offensive line, yet he still won.

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  16. For the love of God. Give the man a decent OLine to where he can go through his progression and he will be the Winston that we all know and love. It is not rocket science and everyone just prefers to say that it is all his fault. If we drafted any OT in the previous 2 drafts like we al wanted then we wouldn’t be having this convo.

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  17. I just feel like that Superman complex is what makes Winston great. You can see him trying to rein himself in and he looks tentative and lost and afraid of making the big mistake. It’s in no way a direct comparison, but I always likened him to Brett Favre — he’ll throw four touchdowns, but give you at least one mind-boggling interception per game. Except Winston doesn’t give you just one.

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    • Favre had one Super Bowl win and a whole bunch of career interceptions. His best TD-INT ratios were 33-7 in his 19th year and 39-13 in his 6th year. His worst were 11/19 in his 20th (and last) year and 20-29 in his 15th season.

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  18. Asked 6 people at Breakfast in St Pete this morning all 6 said they were done with Winston 4 of them expressed this with great energy, no one said they wanted him period.
    The longer they keep giving him chance the longer the fans will keep leaving !

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  19. Excellent Article. This has been agonizing. I am a huge Winston fan and it is difficult for me to admit that he is failing. But if we have any chance of saving this season, he may have to be put on the bench. Until we can fix the offensive line and come up with a running game that compliments him, we are going to continue to struggle. But when he threw his very first pass for an interception this week, that was it for me. Enough.

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  20. Trev, the second interception when you say it wasn’t Winston’s fault look again. I noticed when I rewatched the game Winston has a habit of patting the ball before he throws it. On that pick, it’s a little pat, but none the less that extra split second can make all the difference in getting his elbow hit or not. On deep routes, I noticed sometimes he pats it twice before letting it go. Not only does he stare down receivers, he tells the DB when the ball is coming out by patting the ball first. His first fumble you say isn’t on him they blew up the play, but why not eat the ball right there? Instead he double clutches, and fumbles, it’s on him. Go back, and look again at his patting the ball before he throws it, and I’d like your take on it. Winston has a slow delivery, he was a pitcher, and sometimes still looks like it when throwing. He’s not a quick twitch athlete, which enables D linemen more time to sack him before he throws. Fifth year, still staring down receivers, slow to his second reads, slow throwing motion, can still be baited by defenses, he’s not a franchise QB, never will be. If he goes somewhere else as a back up, with no pressure to be the man, I think he can have a career, but not as a 30 plus million a year NFL starting QB.

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  21. Excellent analysis. It is frustrating to me to see the play calling from last week. Leftwich knew (or had to know) that the right side of the line was weak and that weakness would be exploited. Great coaches take their own weakness and turn it into a strength. The Bucs just have not been able to do that in forever.
    Instead, the game plan still is to throw the ball 10-20 yards down field. We know that Winston is good in the no huddle hurry up. Why don’t they run that? I believe that running a no-huddle with a two WR two TE alignment would be a match-up nightmare for any defense.
    Winston has the talent to be a very good quarterback. He is just very streaky. A strong defensive team with a good running game could overcome his bad streaks. This team relies on Winston’s hot streaks to cover up its other problems.

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  22. You don’t know what you are talking about.
    Bucs Offense Points Scored Rank in the NFL with Jameis.

    4th – 2019
    12th – 2018
    18th – 2017
    19th – 2016
    20th – 2015

    Bucs Defense Points Allowed
    30th – 2019
    31st – 2018
    24th – 2017
    15th – 2016
    25th – 2015

    It’s Not Him. It’s the Defense

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  23. By the way to the fans who dread starting over drafting a QB in the first round, think again. With the rookie wage scale it’s a benefit to draft one. If he pans out it gives the club four years of cap space. If it doesn’t, big deal, won’t crush your team like the old days. Look at AZ, moved up for Rosen, didn’t like him, or the coach after one year, got rid of both, and are better off for it. Just because we’ve invested 5 years in Winston, isn’t a reason to invest five more hoping he changes, and at a high cap hit. The fact we’re even talking about him is reason enough to move on.

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  24. No I’m Not done with him YET, but I was 70/30 in pre season he would be good this year and either signed a second contract or franchise tagged if he was better but still not really good or consistent. Now I’m 50/50 on if he’s here next year. That game was nuts. I have no delusions another QB would be better in that situation but when it’s going bad he melts down. That has to change rest of this year or he has to go period.

    If he’s done then we can count another 5 years or more of sucking. People talking about drafting QB in fourth rd or so and franchise tag Winston? The 2015 1st overall didn’t work, the second overall (Mariota) didn’t work. What in Bucs history makes you think they can draft one in fourth rd that wont be worse!

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  25. Mariota certainly does not have the Canon arm JW has. More of a precision passer with mobility. But he has no Allstar WRs on his team and a running game with a beast but the run game is up & down with their Oline.

    JW has studs at WR and we thought at TE too with 2 decent RBs but inconsistent run games there as well.

    Main difference is Marcus wont have a 300 or 400 yrd game with 3 or 4 TDs very often, but he also doesn’t have 4, 5, 7 Turnovers in a game like JW. Those defensive stats we have in Points Allowed are Truly affected by all the Turnovers, Pick 6s, Picks and Fumbles that set teams up for easy drives.

    So neither situation is ideal. Why are the Bucs afraid of benching Winston and giving Ryan G. a shot? Its not like they have to do it for a full game but lets see what the other kid can do.

    Both teams are headed to be out of the playoffs and neither should resign their Starters for large sums of $.

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    • Corey Davis and Adam Humphries can both run and catch. Titans also have a much better O line.

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  26. After 7 years being hopeful, I realized finally his field vision/decision is the issue and has been for many years.
    Sunday morning I gave up on Winston.
    I no longer support him as a quarterback with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
    Ditto with Licht too.

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  27. I watched the highlight of the game while waiting for my first class..turned it off after Hargreaves crapped on some assignment..still, I feel a bit better today than Sunday. I really hate the Panthers, much more now that GMC will most likely reach the playoffs.

    At this point, I dont even blame JW anymore. No one can see what the QB sees.

    I feel defeated…

    Go Bucs.😂😅😐😫😥😪

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  28. Okay, here we go…This is going to be a long post. Read on or scroll on. Your choice.

    Jameis has his problems with turning the ball over. We all know that. Aside from his first year at FSU, it’s been a problem. Whether it’s Superman syndrome, to me, is irrelevant. I think that is part of the problem, of course. I feel the biggest problem with Jameis is he was drafted by the Bucs.

    Picture Jameis as the QB for a team like the Vikings. (Obviously, he would drive Zimmer INSANE, but that is beside the point.) Minnesota has very good D. They have a solid offensive line. Their running back is outstanding. They have two studs for receivers. Minnesota could legit tell Jameis, “We want you to throw the ball to someone in purple 20 times a game; the rest of the time give it to Cook.” Jameis would have little need to be Superman.

    Now, look at his/our franchise. I’ve been a Buc fan since I was six. I’m now 47. I know this team. If there is one way to fuck things up, Tampa will find five and use them all. Lose the first 26 games of our existence? Check. Have a penny-pinching owner drive out our first franchise qb? Check. Choose a running back with the #1 pick even though he said he would never play for you? Check. Draft the wrong player by writing down the wrong name? Check. Draft Steve Young and trade him? Check. Have multiple quarterbacks win a Super Bowl after being a Buc? Check. NEVER signing a qb we’ve drafted to a second contract? Check. On and on and on it goes. It’s a Bucs life.

    I like Licht. He seems to be a nice guy. I’d love to have a drink and some wings with him. He just can’t draft well enough to make a difference. We’ve needed trench players for how many years? In that time, he’s drafted more kickers than offensive linemen. I get the idea of picking a kicker that will last ten years. But, haven’t we needed a 10-year lineman more? Haven’t we needed a 10-year DE more? Let the Patriots who have every player/position they need draft a kicker. (BTW, they don’t. That should tell Licht something.) The Bucs need to draft someone to sack the quarterback. EVERY year. The Bucs need to draft someone to protect the quarterback. EVERY year. We don’t do it. We draft kickers twice instead, along with defensive backs. A LOT of defensive backs.

    Speaking of which. How do Licht and BA NOT realize we DESPERATELY need a veteran in the secondary? A veteran ANYTHING. Cornerback, safety, it doesn’t matter. Preferably both, actually. VHIII is our veteran. Let that sink in. Last year, he played one HALF the entire season. What can he teach to the rooks? How do they think that’s okay? They don’t want to trade for Patrick Peterson. Fine. Gutless move, but fine. Then get SOMEONE who has some actual experience to help teach these kids how to play CB and/or safety. Doing nothing solves nothing.

    This IS the money year for Jameis and the Bucs. Everyone has known this for quite some time. We need to know yesterday if he is really the guy to earn that magical second contract. Our offensive line was very healthy last year and was NOT impressive. That should have been a major clue we needed to sign and/or draft some depth. Nope. (No, Watford does not count. At least not enough.) A contending franchise makes that move. A contending franchise ANTICIPATES these shortcomings and needs and plans accordingly. The Bucs do not and do not contend.

    A contending franchise can bring along someone like Leftwich and train him for the future. Right now, BA should be calling the plays and Lefty can watch and learn. Let him call the plays in the preseason. But, when it’s time to play for real, BA should have been calling the plays. Jameis needs that. Obviously.

    Bowles needs to scheme his D better in the back half. It’s great that we’re so solid vs the run. It’s not enough. In a passing league, having the youngest and weakest secondary is a major issue. Granted, you can only play with the cards you’re dealt. (Licht, shuffle the damn deck already.) But, something different HAS to be done with these kids in the secondary. I’d rather give up 110 yards and a TD to a running back than 380 yards and three touchdowns to every quarterback ever. Remember, running plays take more time off the clock, which means the other team takes longer to score, which means we don’t give up so many damn points, which means Jameis won’t need to strap on that damn cape and play Superman again. Being down by ten points is far more manageable to come back from than being down by 21.

    All that being said, my wife and I are traveling to Tampa from Washington state for the Arizona game. It will be my first Buc HOME game ever. It may be my wife and me alone in the stands by that time. I don’t give a shit. I WILL be loud, dammit. I’ve been loud at several Buc games in Seattle at the real risk of bodily harm. (Seattle fans are assholes.) I will do the same thing at the Pirate Ship.

    I believe cutting Bobo and Bond is just the beginning. I think more significant moves, trades, signings, cuts are on the way this season and next. I don’t think BA wants to go out this way. I think he wants to make his mark in his final coaching gig. God knows changing the culture in Tampa would surely accomplish that. It’s been done before. Dungy changed the culture once. Gruden pushed us across the finish line. It CAN happen again. Whether it’s with Jameis or not remains to be seen. If so, great. If not, I think he will be wearing purple or some other color, helmet, and uniform next season. Just PLEASE, for the love of God, not as another qb hoisting the Lombardi trophy while he’s doing it.

    Out.

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  29. Winston is like a super hot chick that just wants to be friends. Just when you think things are progressing towards something more, the rug gets pulled out from under you and reality sets in.

    I’ve been a huge supporter. I love the guy, I really do but Sunday a switch went off in my head finally that I’m not sure can be turned back on. I’m feeling pretty done. Like to a point that I’ve been a fan my whole life and have supported a bunch of bad football but I’m not sure I want to do it anymore. I live in Seattle now after growing up in the Tampa Bay Area. I travel to see games, I purchase the Sunday Ticket Every year and I download all the apps to be able to watch my team with hope every time they take the field. I turn 40, three days after the the Bucs come to town. I’ve had it circled since the schedules came out. But you know what? I don’t think I want to go anymore. For the first time that I can remember, I don’t have hope.

    Winston is a big part of that. Champions make the hard things look easy as Winston has but they also make the easy things look easy which he just can’t seem to do. I love the dude but it’s going to take a lot more than just stats to get me back to believing. I need to be able to trust.

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    • Eubanks, I feel it too.im 33, birthday next month. I began loving this team in 98. I was 13. Seen them hoist the big one and dominate a few more years after. Sometimes I think, how happy would ai have been had I liked Bledsoe in NE Or Ty Law so much that I became a fan for life? Why I didn’t like the home team ( Giants) and witness 2 bowls come home in my lifetime?.

      I too gave up on 3. I’ve seen Derrick Brooks not get resigned, Lohn Lynch the same,and even Sapp- regardless of how he behaved.. to see Winston stay around this long with no real credentials is ridiculous. At the end of the day, no one is more important that the skull and cross swords.

      When we start winning again,it will be that much sweeter.

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  30. I’ve always been a proponent of Yogi’s “50% of it is half mental” saying. There is collateral damage with turnovers. This game was a prime example. Here we are in the stands at the “Spur”, outnumbered by Panthers fans 3-1 at supposedly our “home” game, excited about the game and on the very first play an INT. Now, if the mood of we fans goes from hot to cold in an instant, imagine how the players feel. The worst was the back-to-back fumbles in scoring position. I knew it was a long walk home to Clearwater from London, but even after never leaving a game early in 40+ years, I admit I had the urge to as Nancy Sinatra sang……..”ready boots, start walkin”.

    I cheer for whoever is wearing the team colors. I’m willing to give Jameis the rest of the year and see how it plays out. None our opinions will matter, but I suspect if the results are not what are expected, there will be a change under center.

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  31. I’m not done with Winston. I hate these games but we really have to get better around him. And I think most of the issue has to do with Lichts personnel moves. When do we have ANY rookies making an impact? The pass defense is horrendous and if we don’t score on every possession we lose the game. The dude tends to force stuff once the game starts to unravel. Nobody wants that first pick, but even the great QBs throw picks. Glazers made a mistake not moving on from licht.

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