The PR Bucs Monday Mailbag is where PewterReport.com’s Mark Cook answers your questions from our Twitter account. You can submit your question each week via Twitter using the hashtag #PRMailbag.

Question: Hearing the Patriots willing to give Tom Brady $30 million, how do you think that affects Jameis Winston’s chance of returning to the Bucs?

Answer: Everyone wants to know where Tom Brady will play in 2020, and we may not know for another month or so. I saw the same report on Sunday about Patriots owner Robert Kraft willing to pay Brady $30 million to keep him in New England. Kraft doesn’t want to see the most beloved and successful player in New England history wear another uniform – even at age 42. But does it fall in line with the plans of the organization from a rebuilding standpoint – if that is in fact the plan moving forward?

Patriots QB Tom Brady – Photo by: Getty Images

Brady, like any great player, doesn’t want to go out on the decline, and regardless of the reasons, if he comes back and the Patriots finish 8-8 or worse, some blame will be placed on him. I think Brady would need some reassurances that the Patriots will provide the weapons he needs to be successful. Of course if he is eating up more than $30 million of cap space that hurts New England’s chances of getting back to a Super Bowl, where Brady would like to end his playing career.

Brady may want to take a look at some other teams might be closer to winning in 2020 than the Patriots are. The question now is, who are those teams? Are the Raiders or Chargers any closer to winning than the Patriots would be? I’d still take New England against the Bucs in a head-to-head matchup, regardless of who is under center for either team.

One intriguing team that some speculation has been would possibly be a good fit is the Colts. And if I were choosing as Brady, that would be the team I would most consider. Indianapolis has a solid defense, a very good running game and some quality receivers, but more importantly the best offensive line in the NFL. The Colts would most likely give Brady the best shot from the QB-needy teams to win it all in 2020 as he would be a significant upgrade over current starter Jacoby Brissett.

As far as Brady goes and how it affects Winston, certainly as quarterbacks sign with other teams then it provides the Tampa Bay organization one less option. The Bucs are very serious about exploring other options and would be foolish not to look at Brady, who would pack Raymond James Stadium, which currently has 15,000 empty seats for most Tampa Bay games. I just don’t see it happening.

Of course I never thought I would see Joe Montana play for any other team other than the 49ers either.

Question: Could the Bucs have a surprise or two up their sleeve this offseason? Jason Licht and Bruce Arians seem very, very quiet.

Answer: The lack of noise coming from the Buccaneers is definitely by design, as no member of the organization spoke to Bucs beat writers at either the East-West Shrine Game or the Senior Bowl. But I don’t know that means they have any definite surprises on the horizon. Tampa Bay is going into this offseason tight-lipped on everything from free agency to the draft. That doesn’t mean there won’t be anything that comes along that might be considered a surprise. The Jason Pierre-Paul trade caught everyone off guard years ago – something that began with some talks at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis in 2018.

Bucs GM Jason Licht and head coach Bruce Arians
Bucs GM Jason Licht and head coach Bruce Arians – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

Jason Licht’s wheels are always turning, and while the results of his transactions can be debated, he is always on the lookout for ways to improve the roster. But this year there is even more of a sense of urgency. He has now steered the Bucs’ ship for six years without a trip to the playoffs.

And 68-year old Bruce Arians is picturing that pontoon boat at his Georgia lake house every night when he puts his head on his pillow. Him behind the wheel with some Blake Shelton on the radio and a glass of Crown Royal in his hand is coming sooner rather than later, so winning in the next year or two becomes even more imperative as he inches closer to 70.

The clock is ticking for both Arians and Licht, so nothing is off the table this offseason.

Question: Based on your observations, were most Jameis Winston’s interceptions not seeing/reading the defense, or simply thinking he can fit the ball in there and making bad decisions?

Answer: There were 30 interceptions total, and it was a mixed up mess of several things. There were certainly some bad reads, but it was more complex that just that. PewterReport.com’s Trevor Sikkema analyzed all 30 of Jameis Winston’s interceptions for our readers. We know at times the receivers ran incorrect option routes based on what the corners and safeties were doing. The quarterback and receivers have keys and rules to follow based on what the coverage dictated. That isn’t to say all of the option route interceptions were on the receivers. The quarterback must also see the same thing the receivers are seeing.

We noticed that early in camp when Winston was being intercepted frequently. There were passes not even close to a receiver at times, but without knowing the play call and the reads dictated by coverage, it’s tough to tell who exactly was at fault.

It got better in camp with more reps, and would likely get better in the second year in Bruce Arians’ offense. There is nothing simple about what Arians requires from his quarterbacks. The question is how much better will it get in 2020? Will Winston’s 30 picks turn into 15 or less? Or does it only going down by a handful to 25?

Bucs QB Jameis Winston – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

There were times when Winston was greedy and trying to rifle the pass into coverage when he shouldn’t have forced it. That’s just a fact.

I love confidence in a quarterback and feeling like his arm is superior to the talent he is playing against, but this isn’t the ACC and he isn’t at Florida State any longer. He’s now had five years to figure that out.

Yet as a number of Pro Bowl players I spoke with in Orlando said, throwing for 5,109 yards and 33 touchdowns doesn’t happen by accident. Winston is very talented.

Suppose Winston did only throw 12 interceptions to go with his 33 touchdowns and 5,109 yards. The Bucs are in the playoffs last year and Winston is most likely runner-up to Lamar Jackson for NFL MVP honors. That isn’t an exaggeration.

And finally, sometimes a quarterback is just going to make inaccurate throw or things happen they can’t control. Kansas City’s Patrick Mahomes had two interceptions on Sunday in the Super Bowl, as did San Francisco’s Jimmy Garoppolo. No quarterback is going to play 16 games and not throw some bad passes.

Question: Who is the odd man out on the D-line if the Bucs can’t keep everyone?

Answer: From an organizational standpoint the free agent priority list on defense is Shaq Barrett, Jason Pierre-Paul and Ndamukong Suh, and then Carl Nassib. Or at least that is what we have been able to gather from reading between the lines in conversations with our sources.

And that makes the most sense. The Buccaneers drafted Anthony Nelson last season with an eye on replacing Nassib at some point. At 6-foot-7, 271 pounds, Nelson even looks like Nassib from a physical frame standpoint.

Bucs OLB Carl Nassib
Bucs OLB Carl Nassib – Photo by: Cliff Welch/PR

That doesn’t mean Nassib isn’t back, or that Pierre-Paul and Suh will definitely return. A lot will be determined by the money they are asking for and Tampa Bay’s ability to find a price both sides can live with once the team figures out which quarterback it will be paying $25 million or more to in 2020.

Both Suh and JPP are towards the end of their careers, but love Tampa and the Bucs coaching staff. Yet with both being in the twilight of their careers, do they believe they can get to the playoffs next season coming back?

From what we understand both Pierre-Paul and Suh have a strong desire to return, but they aren’t going to play for peanuts. So if one of them decides to move on, that could open the door for Nassib to return.

 

Mark Cook currently is the director of editorial content and Bucs beat writer and has written for PewterReport.com since 2011. Cook has followed the Buccaneers since 1977 when he first began watching football with his Dad and is fond of the 1979 Bucs team that came within 10 points of going to a Super Bowl. His favorite Bucs game is still the 1979 divisional playoff win 24-17 over the Eagles. In his spare time Cook enjoys playing guitar, fishing, surfing and family time at the beach. In addition, Cook can be found in front of a television or in Doak Campbell any time the FSU Seminoles are playing. Cook is a native of Pinecrest in Eastern Hillsborough County and has written for numerous publications including the Tampa Tribune, In the Field and Ya'll Magazine. Cook can be reached at [email protected]

42 COMMENTS

  1. Dam, this Jameis debate won’t be over till it’s over and what really pisses me off is I am a typical fan who in no way shape or form possesses the knowledge to make a logical decision on the matter. When the season ended I was hell bent on moving on from Winston. Now the farther we move from 2019 and the more information about available options and the pain of another lost season subsides I am more open to arguments to keep him 1 more year on a short leash. New examples like above and the hundreds of hypothetical excuses that rumble from one analyst to another only confuse the issue. I will say without reservation the Jameis on a good day could have blown the wheels off the two teams I watched last night. While I admit I am not savvy enough at this point to decide his fate, I can imagine him The SB MVP for another team. I would like to see him for one more year with the QB Whisperer, but History tells me he will walk and we will focus on his replacement for the next 5 years.

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    • Always find it interesting that it sometimes takes a team making the decision to move on from a player for that player to make the necessary changes needed, either personally or in their preparation/play, to improve. Seems sometimes cutting ties is the ONLY thing that can incite that change. That last presser spoke volumes about Winston’s mentality imo. Initially thought he was the one when we drafted him, but personally OK with continuing the search for a franchise QB, regardless of how his career ends. Believe more than a few QB’s could perform well in this system and with this WR/TE corp.

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    • I agree, the only offense in the NFL that has the fire power to match Mahomes and the Chiefs are the Bucs and their spazoid Ja-miss. Unfortunately if the rumors are true that Ja-miss is seeking top $ and willing to cripple the team’s salary cap, then the Bucs cannot afford to gamble with him. Sad to say it but it is time to give up on the most physically talented QB the Bucs have ever had for no other reason besides lack of maturity

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  2. Martini – Vive la Difference

    I am more a move on from Winston.
    Interesting week in that when Shaq Barrett, LaVonte David, and Chris Godwin all spoke about Winston, they all had positive things to say but also said that he made mind numbing mistakes as well.

    Just like the debate we have here.

    I think there are lots of ways to win a Super Bowl. The odds are against Jameis winning one here or anywhere else. Is he capable? Sure. But because of those lots of ways to win a Super Bowl it does not mean we should keep him just because he is capable. We have seen mediocre quarterbacks win super bowls all of the time.

    If we can get someone comparable for less money – one of the things BA and Jason are reviewing – that might be a better plan. If we can get someone they think is better for about the same money – that would be a better plan.

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    • Well yeah.. Getting someone better for the same $$ WOULD be ideal! Be sure to tell the team!! And we DID see mediocre QB’s win Super Bowls a lot… But who lately?? With the rules favoring the offense (by far!) now, a prolific QB can turn an offense into something that can keep you in & help you win almost any game!! Which is needed to compete for Super Bowls consistently, as quite a few other teams now have elite passers (some due to or @least helped by the rules) so you need to be able to come back from being down double digits consistently. Sometimes 2-3 times in the same game! Hence teams needing an elite passer. Gone are the days of an elite defense and barely mediocre offense/QB winning consistently enough to get to and win Super Bowls.. They wouldn’t even make the playoffs with any regularity nvm win anything in them! There are outliers but almost all those still have elite D’s and a QB who, at the least, doesn’t turn the ball over much, along with a strong OL and running game. And if you do have a QB who is careless (& sometimes outright stupid!) w/ the ball and you want to compete for rings too, you better have an elite D who can make teams one dimensional while also consistently creating more TO’s than their QB is giving up. And to win a SB?? A LOT more! And with Winston last year?! Good luck with that! He needs to improve a lot for us to compete with him or we need to hope we get an elite QB elsewhere ASAP and the D progresses from “Good with potential for greatness” to “Great with potential for being one of the best ever” quick! Which, as noted, the rules (and Part time officials!) make extremely difficult. That said I saw enough from this team and Winston at times last year that I want to see him one more year. See if he can make a leap with Bruce in their 2nd year w/ each other. I think for that to happen though, we need Bruce to step up & BE the one doing more of the “Whispering” rather than a first time OC and Clyde Christensen..

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  3. I saw improvement from Winston this year in the new system with Arians. He has room to grow. I would like to see him play for Arians for as long as Arians is the coach.

    Every year Winston plays under a 1 year contract, thats one more year of all QB contracts climbing in relation to the cap. Then its one more year of debates on if he (or any QB) is worth it. If they would have signed him last year to a 4 year deal, it would have been for around 88 million(22m/yr). Now its going to be for around 112(28m/yr) million. Wait until next year and his agent will be asking for 136(34m/yr) million for 4 years.

    The alternatives behind door #2 arent bad, but they aren’t cheap or long term either. They just arent as good in my opinion, for little other reason than continuity. Brady won’t come in to Tampa and get the playbook down overnight. Neither will Rivers. Neither will any rookie. Then there’s the rapport with coaches and receivers.

    I’m selfish. I want to see the Bucs win now, with this regime, with these players. I like the youth on the team and I think the defense and rushing attack can get better this off season. I think the Bucs are a lot like Kansas City and can put up points in a hurry against anyone. Keep this damn thing rolling until the rushing attack and defense catch up in 2020.

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    • Agree on a few of your sentiments, but have trouble with the whole “let’s just keep JW for the sake of continuity” argument. There’s a REASON the team has been reluctant to sign him long-term, even though they surely know the price goes up every year they wait. Can guarantee that fact is not lost on them. It seems obvious there’s still a lack of trust from ownership and the FO in Winston’s makeup, maturity and decision-making, even after these 5 years. And it’s proven to still be warranted…

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      • Its not just the sake of continuity. Its because Winston gives the Bucs the best chance to win next year as long as:

        1. The offensive line performs as well as it did last year. Grumble if you like, but the line was much better with the same players(minus Benenoch thank goodness) and two new OL coaches. Even RoJo went from bust to most improved. Still room for Marpet, Cappa, Smith, Jensen to get better. Dot must compete with Cappa and rookies if he’s brought back.

        2. The depth and talent at RB is drastically improved. No offense to Barber, RoJo, Ogunbawale, or TJ Logan. RoJo might be the only holdover after pulling a 180 degree reversal of his rookie season. A good draft can dramatically improve the whole room immediately. RB is one of the easiest positions for rookies to contribute early.

        3. The defense continues to improve. Defense played better down the stretch and I have much more confidence in Bowles than I ever did in Smitty, so a regression seems less likely. Pressure, depth at corner, more experience at all defensive back positions should pay dividends next season. If a vet is warranted anywhere, it is at Free Safety. There are good options that may available by trade or in free agency.

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        • Actually agree with all three points. Simply disagree with Winston being the best or only alternative at QB for the Bucs having a winning season in 2020. Much like Winston may improve elsewhere after having the team that drafted him cut bait, believe another QB could be energized by a change in scenery as well here in Tampa, especially with the weapons the Bucs possess at WR and TE.

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        • You forgot to include that Ja-miss would have to pull his head out of his a$$ and act like a professional

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    • By all reports Joel Segal is already asking 30-35 million per year. If that’s true then and Winston and his agent have no wiggle room its cya Jameis. Don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya on the way out of 1 Buc Place.

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      • Negotiations almost always start with a gap, then they meet in the middle once the market is set and each party weighs their perceived options. I have expected Winston to get a deal worth $25-$28m/yr guaranteed for the past year. If he refuses to take a fair, team friendly deal to remain in Tampa, which is his best chance to succeed, so be it. Bucs are smart not to overpay. Winston is smart to only take a long term deal, not a franchise tender.

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      • There are no “reports” about what Winston and his agent are asking for. There are only rumors. Nobody has issued any official statements. I suspect the sources of these rumors are unscrupulous “media” types who want to turn as much of the fan base as possible against Winston.

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    • Keep this damn thing rolling?!?

      The only damn thing we’re rolling is losing seasons, and the universal constant is Bust Licht.

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      • Winston was the NFL passing leader last year. That’s a good thing right?

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        • Context my man… context.

          Passing yards can often be “empty calories” if they have no running game or your team gets behind early. These numbers are also a product of the Arians system. If you have enough attempts (626 for Jameis), lots of NFL QBs could reach 5000 yards, but there would likely be little balance to your offensive attack – not to mention, with Jameis’ historical 3.5% INT rate, there is just gonna be some ugliness (it was an astounding 4.8% this year). Frankly, I don’t want Jameis Winston throwing it 626 times – unless he’s on another team.

          Don’t see, or agree with, your excitement here.

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          • I concede that 626 passing attempts is too many. I would also agree that Jameis has got to start games much better. However, his interception rate is actually less than Ben Rothlisberger in the same Arians offense. His sack rate is less than Andrew Luck in the Arians offense. Thats pretty good company. Shocking but true. Those other QBs have more wins because the team around them was better.

            The Bucs will do whatever they do at QB, but here’s how I look at it. The Bucs have an opportunity to sign Winston for a lot less BECAUSE of the debate about W/L record and Jameis’s role in the L’s.

            The interceptions and fumbles definitely matter. Many losses over his 5 years came from bad secondary play, the missed kicks over the years, the shitty officiating, the dropped TD passes where the next play is a pick or a sack, and the bad coaching/playcalling.

            I don’t want to throw shade at Mike Evans, but he has one of the highest drop rates in the NFL. Its just a fact. No one will confuse him with Michael Thomas who has the lowest drop rate in the NFL.

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          • Nah… don’t shade Mike Evans. His catch radius and ability to fight for the ball helps Jameis’ bottom line – and not the other way around. When you cherry pick Qb stats to compare Jameis to Andrew Luck and Ben Roethlisberger, it remind me of those Chevy commercials on TV that give high ratings to garbage cars – if you ask precisely worded questions, you can effectively and significantly alter the answers.

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  4. It does seem even the saint-like patience of PR with Jason Licht is finally starting wear thin…”He has now steered the Bucs’ ship for six years without a trip to the playoffs.”…I might add it has been six years of winning only 5.5 games per season on average, with only a single season even over 500! When one considers that every time we bottomed the boat like that in those seasons we received a very high draft pick (including once receiving first overall), and Licht still steered us to the bottom of the Bay…well, fan-patience has its limits too.

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    • 34-62 😉

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  5. One quick comment on the superbowl last night:

    Most of you read my comments about how I would be rooting for Lynch/Kwon and the 49ers, but my money was on KC because of Mahomes and his slew of top pass catchers. With 8 minutes to go in the 4th, Mahomes had thrown for less than 150 yards, 0 TD’s, 2 INT’s and his team was down 20-10, but it clearly wasn’t over.

    Mahomes ended the game as the MVP of the Superbowl and showed why talent at QB matters more than a game manager like Jimmy G.

    Jimmy G, the vaunted offensive line, and RB Raheem “6th team is a charm” Mostert had their chance to kill clock with a long drive after the last interception of Mahomes and they couldn’t get it done. Their last 4 drives were punt, punt, downs, (meaninless)interception.

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    • How does Jimmy G perform with KC’s WR corp? No question Mahomes is the more talented QB, but can’t discount the quality and number of weapons at each QB’s disposal either. Much like another QB coming into the Bucs offense. Was curious Winston only threw 3 TD’s and had 6 picks in those last 2 games without Evans and Godwin, no?

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      • Kittles, Sanders, and Samuel are pretty strong comparables to Kelce, Hill, and Watkins. SF WR’s were overthrown/underthrown regularly all season by Jimmy G. He’s solid, but I’m not sure he’s worth the 5 yr/$127 million deal he signed in 2018. He’s a very good role player, but is he going to have San Fran in the SuperBowl next year? We shall see.

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        • To be determined for sure. Not necessarily a Jimmy G fan, but funny how a narrative can be misconstrued sometimes too. Jimmy G had a 69.1% completion percentage this year (67.5% career). Mahomes had a 65.9% (65.9% career as well). By comparison, Winston had a 60.7% (61.3% career). Understand these guys run different offenses, but think it’s clear who consistently had more under/overthrows all season, as well as for a career. Agreed Jimmy G is probably not worth that 5yr/$127M deal at this point, though he’s far from the only one. Goff, Cousins, Foles, Brissett, Flacco, etc come to mind as well.

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          • I would take Winston in Leftwich and Arians offense in 2020 over every guy you mentioned, but that’s just me. That short passing efficiency-type offense that SF runs is not what Arians runs, with or without Winston. We can all agree that Arians will not be fired, right?

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  6. Re: the odd man out, think BA made it clear when he said in his last presser that Barrett was priority #1 and JPP/Suh were 2/2A in no particular order. Said he’d like to have Nassib back too when asked, but specifically mentioned the first 3 as priority FA’s to re-sign on defense. Really like Nelson, but he has to prove he can stay healthy before the team can feel comfortable to rely on him to produce. Still think they bring in some youth in place of Allen, Acho, and O’Connor that could possibly replace JPP and Suh in the next couple of years.

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  7. I’m like a previous post. I’m tired of hearing about what to do with Jameis. My MONEY is on the tag. A long term deal is a BIG gamble.

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  8. It Pains me to say this Butt….I think we should give Jameis another year under Arians. I would not take a chance on Brady. Not sure we would last with our O line. I got him throwing about 15 interception this upcoming season. Jameis knows the system guys. Franchise him and be done with it. We are closer than a lot of you think.

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  9. Oops I forgot. After spending seems like 5 years on DB’S please build the O and D line. If 1 safety is needed to make the Defensive backfield complete get a proven veteran. Hopefully Evans can return. I have not read much on his situation for some time. I like OJ alot but if this staff is going to use him primarily as a blocker and a team like NE or Seattle offer something good then take it.

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  10. Mahomes just finished year three, SB MVP, league MVP, he has two years left on his rookie deal yet KC already wants to give him a new contract. Jameis, five years in, we’re still split in half as fans whether he’s worth resigning. Doesn’t that tell you all you need to know? Resigning the first pick in the 2015 draft should be a no brainer, not a debate. KC doesn’t have to see what Mahomes can do for another two years before they resign him. Watson, Wilson, no debate among their fans if they have a franchise QB or not. Shouldn’t be a tough decision, but it is with Winston. By now he’s either the man, or not. If he was ever worth paying, it would’ve happened by now.

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    • Half the fans have hated Winston from day 1. Many still do.

      No excuses, but he has had a carousel of coaches and schemes. The Bucs have finally found a coach and scheme that knows how to use Winston. He will be better in year 2 of this offense by all accounts of players who have played in the system and weighed in on the topic. I hope he’s able to prove it to Tampa fans that he is the best choice at QB. I guess we will see in 5 weeks if the Bucs believe he’s the man for the future.

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      • He’s been in TWO offensive systems in 5 years, Koetter’s and BA’s. Has had different coaches in his ear, but that’s a part of the business league-wide. There’s definitely the fans that have hated the pick since day 1 for sure (due to his race or otherwise), though many guys like White, RoJo, Vea (especially), VH3 and others have plenty of detractors too. Believe most of us were hopeful, if not positive, we had finally found our long-lost, long-term franchise QB when Winston was drafted (I know I was). Believe he’s proven over the years with his mind-numbing decision making and inability/unwillingness to improve that area that he’s not, regardless of the platitudes, guarantees and affirmations he spouts in his pressers.

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        • Koetter system with Monk was WAAAAAAAAY different than the system with Lovie.

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      • Regardless of whether some of the fans didn’t like or believe in Winston when he got here, the human turnover machine has earned their disgust over the last half decade. So effectively they were right to not want him.

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    • SufferDude that is the most flawed thinking ever. Mahomes better team, Russ better team, Watson better team and they went to the playoffs before he got there….

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  11. The sooner they can get Jameis out of there and on his way to be a back up in Cincinnati the better for the bucs Barrett is the person that needs the franchise tag.
    Let Barrett spend another year with the franchise tag and prove that he’s going to be a long term multi year all pro.

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  12. The team should sign Jameis to a team friendly, incentive laden, long term deal. A rookie would be a crapshoot. And, the last thing we need is to start over with a 40yo QB.

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  13. Mark,

    Take the logic you used for Tom Brady and the Colts, and substitute Jameis Winston for Tom Brady. What would you expect from Winston behind the best offensive line in football with some quality receivers, a very good running game and a solid defense? If anything can cure thirty interceptions, that should be it.

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  14. OK, I get the argument that after 5 years we know what we have in Jameis Winston and one piece of the puzzle ain’t good. But don’t we need to have some assurance that we will get better and more consistent play from a potential replacement before filing divorce papers? There are certainly no sure things when it comes to drafting a young QB and there is nothing absolutely guaranteed when signing an aging star or a career journeyman type free agent. There are a lot of examples from which to choose. Goodness knows the 40+ years of failed attempts here in Bucville. One thing about our # 3 is you can’t teach his positive attributes, but you can do things to help him eliminate the negative one.

    So, until someone peeks behind Door #2 and tells me who’s there, I say, as the Four Seasons song goes, “Let’s hang on to what we got”. Now, if retiree Andrew Luck is behind Door #3.

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    • What assurance do we have that we will get better and more consistent play from #3 himself? There are certainly no sure things and nothing absolutely guaranteed about that either. Assuming “the negative one” you’re referring to is his interceptions. Personally believe it’s the decision-making that goes into throwing them, as well as the mentality that goes into holding onto the ball too long causing fumbles and sacks, that’s the major issue. There have been PLENTY of attempts made by a variety of coaches to help Winston change that mindset, to no avail. By his own admission, Winston see himself as a a “Baller” and the best QB in the league, just has to fix that minor turnover issue. Which he will of course, just ask him, even though he’s been saying that after practically EVERY game over the last F-I-V-E years (aka 72 games). Impossible to think that those consistent turnovers haven’t had an affect on the mentality of the entire team as well. A losing culture isn’t just perpetuated by losing games, it’s also exacerbated by consistent preventable, repetitive, self-inflicted negative plays, even in wins.

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      • Of course nothing says Jameis Winston will greatly reduce the number of interceptions. But it is coachable. Work ethic, will to win, courage and toughness are a mindset. I absolutely agree that every turnover has to be as demoralizing to the rest of the team as it is to us fans. But like many of us, the players also believe Winston has the ability to lead them to victory. Players thought that about Doug Williams in spite of his 50%+/- completion rate.

        My issue is some folks simply want to get rid of Winston with absolutely no viable plan to replace him.

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  15. Very long post sorry not sorry. The most Jameis has thrown before this year is 18 INTs somehow it’s no big deal to this fan base that the run game has been bottom 10 on the ground for 4 straight years now & that somehow does not bother anybody who swears it’s Winston. The one play that without question will not result in a Winston interception we happen to be the worst team at it in that 4 year span. Being 30th in plays that resulted in no gain in 2019 should tell you that Winston has no faith in the ground game but somehow Winston gets this “Superman complex” label as if he has a choice or we could go 3 and out all game your choice. I would LOVE to see the amount of 2nd & 10 and 3rd & 10 plays we ran this year. It took us 21 GAMES in between 100 yard rushers that’s GOD AWFUL. Jameis took this 2-14 team to a 4 game improvement his rookie year then followed it up with another 3 win improvement, then Mike Smith & Jaquizz Rogers enters the chat. Nothing has been fixed around Jameis when it comes to defense or the run game (outside of Doug Martin’s fools gold year) and I would love to debate whoever on that OJ Howard over Dalvin Cook absolutely hurts even more based on the very poor season Howard had but you fans don’t know why his INTs haven’t gone down. LMAO outside of Mahomes Brees & maybe Russ EVERY PLAYOFF TEAMS offense asked the QB to do the least possible besides making a few plays along the way and keep TO’s to a minimum Lamar, Tannehil, Brady, Rogers,Jimmy G, AND Tampa Bay’s VERY OWNED, YOU LIKE THAT!!? Kirk Cousins all were products of a good run game & defense with the offense tailored around them & that’s facts for your ass lol. It’s unbelievable how conveniently that’s ignored with this franchise. I’d be wrong to think there was a conspiracy out on JW but it’s so painfully obvious where the issues of this team lie and too much blame is on one plate where there’s more to go around. 11 players before Winston threw 30+ INTs, only 1 time before the 80’s that got you LESS THAN 5 wins (7 QBs threw 30 INTs and won no less than 8 games w/ the highest being 42 INTs 11-3 record George Blanda LMAOOOO) AFTER THE 80’S? Outside of Winston 30+ INTs has happened TWICE with No more than 5 wins (Vinny Testaverde LOL 35 INTs 5-11 record 1988) Winston had the most wins of a 30 INT season in 41 years when Ken Stabler & Frank Tarkenton (freaking Hall of famers) duled each other for the INT crown back in 1978. Either it’s me or INTERCEPTIONS ARE OVERRATED WHEN JUDGING TEAM SUCCESS. Keep in mind we *realisticly left 2-3 games off the board just behind missing kicks in 2 and an early whistle on the other. So go ahead send a 26 year old away because you can’t realize that this ISNT a passing league if your focus is on winning. Some other team will maximize their investment in JW by putting a run game and defense around him & make the “Yucs” regret it. (Bruce isn’t that dumb tho 😏). If this coaching staff doesn’t pick up on the misdirection and motions before the snap like the niners and chiefs and Ravens shit even the XFL teams did it to manufacture the run game then this offense will continue to underachieve on the ground. We gotta draft a top back man there will be guys to be had via draft and free agency as well.

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