Although, despite their promises that they’re “Baker-bois” some posters are sneakily consistent with their blame of the QB for the inconsistency of the offensive output of the OC and the defense.he has been inconsistent to date and even in his Buc career
LMAO
I mean, the Bucs have been inconsistent during Mayfield's Bucs career, right? The team. The entire team. And NOT because of him.
Just barely over .500 the whole time, which is the definition of inconsistent. Three OCs and three different offenses. No run game one year, great run game the next, no run game again. Steadily declining defense. . . The GOAT Tom Brady was inconsistent with this version of the Bucs. Wasn't he 8-9 in 2022? Maybe lowest QBR of his career? TOM FREAKING BRADY. Mayfield is NO TOM BRADY, but he is a good QB who can win games WITH a good team around him.
To that point about the team around him, maybe the Red Board has to pick a lane (or sedatives lol)? In RB world, Bowles is the "worst coach" in the history of football AND he "interferes with the offense" (lol). That is a RB staple. So, Mayfield is supposed to set records for consistency IN THAT ENVIRONMENT? Mayfield is supposed to "overcome" Bowles "incompetence" and "interfering with the offense" (love that one) even though Brady could not? Make it make sense. The two things are completely inconsistent together. In fact, if Coen is the HC do you think 2025 looks like that? So, if the team is dragged down by Bowles incompetence then performance - especially with a DC interfering with the offense - is really a reflection of Bowles, not Mayfield. At best, Mayfield is "not good enough to overcome it?" Um . . . okay? Pretty tough thing to overcome. . . and yet 2023 and 2024????????
Mayfield is probably the LEAST of the Bucs problems, a point that should be obvious just by looking at 2023, 2024. . . and the first 9 games of 2025 (had to get that in! lol)
Red Board, putting the "F" in FICKLE!!
The introduction of the GOATs numbers -as Buc - points to whom is really to blame for the inconsistency, of both the offense, and the defense.
Although, despite their promises that they’re “Baker-bois” some posters are sneakily consistent with their blame of the QB for the inconsistency of the offensive output of the OC and the defense.he has been inconsistent to date and even in his Buc career
LMAO
I mean, the Bucs have been inconsistent during Mayfield's Bucs career, right? The team. The entire team. And NOT because of him.
Just barely over .500 the whole time, which is the definition of inconsistent. Three OCs and three different offenses. No run game one year, great run game the next, no run game again. Steadily declining defense. . . The GOAT Tom Brady was inconsistent with this version of the Bucs. Wasn't he 8-9 in 2022? Maybe lowest QBR of his career? TOM FREAKING BRADY. Mayfield is NO TOM BRADY, but he is a good QB who can win games WITH a good team around him.
To that point about the team around him, maybe the Red Board has to pick a lane (or sedatives lol)? In RB world, Bowles is the "worst coach" in the history of football AND he "interferes with the offense" (lol). That is a RB staple. So, Mayfield is supposed to set records for consistency IN THAT ENVIRONMENT? Mayfield is supposed to "overcome" Bowles "incompetence" and "interfering with the offense" (love that one) even though Brady could not? Make it make sense. The two things are completely inconsistent together. In fact, if Coen is the HC do you think 2025 looks like that? So, if the team is dragged down by Bowles incompetence then performance - especially with a DC interfering with the offense - is really a reflection of Bowles, not Mayfield. At best, Mayfield is "not good enough to overcome it?" Um . . . okay? Pretty tough thing to overcome. . . and yet 2023 and 2024????????
Mayfield is probably the LEAST of the Bucs problems, a point that should be obvious just by looking at 2023, 2024. . . and the first 9 games of 2025 (had to get that in! lol)
Red Board, putting the "F" in FICKLE!!
The introduction of the GOATs numbers -as Buc - points to whom is really to blame for the inconsistency, of both the offense, and the defense.
as he says in this thread. hey who started this thread?
Absolutely nothing was Baker's fault.
Absolutely nothing was Baker's fault.
almost as bad as saying it was "all his fault" based on 8 games :-)
Kidding aside, in these threads there are ample statistics and facts that should lead any reasonable person to believe that it is MORE LIKELY THAN NOT that outside factors contributed to Mayfield's decline at the end of 2025. (Not the least of which is his MUCH BETTER than usual play at the beginning of the same season lol)
But, the Red Board is home to the transparently unreasonable take, always followed by the "till the death" defense lol. Lots of "black and white" when most things are GREY.
Mayfield is a good QB and maybe even a very good QB at this stage in his career, but like most QBs not so good that he's going to always overcome obstacles/challenges and not so good that his own play doesn't dip.
A similar QB won a Super Bowl this year, for whatever that is worth.
Absolutely nothing was Baker's fault.
almost as bad as saying it was "all his fault" based on 8 games :-)
Kidding aside, in these threads there are ample statistics and facts that should lead any reasonable person to believe that it is MORE LIKELY THAN NOT that outside factors contributed to Mayfield's decline at the end of 2025. (Not the least of which is his MUCH BETTER than usual play at the beginning of the same season lol)
But, the Red Board is home to the transparently unreasonable take, always followed by the "till the death" defense lol. Lots of "black and white" when most things are GREY.
Mayfield is a good QB and maybe even a very good QB at this stage in his career, but like most QBs not so good that he's going to always overcome obstacles/challenges and not so good that his own play doesn't dip.
A similar QB won a Super Bowl this year, for whatever that is worth.
so now we are comparing him to Sam Darnold. Darnold had a pedestrian season. He statistically had a much better 2024 with Minnesota which earned him a Baker like 3 years, $100M deal.
Darnold had less yards, TDs, more INTs, lower QB rating in 2025.
with Seattle he had a top 10 run and pass game, and had a defense ranked #1 in scoring.
Darnold also played much more clutch with Seattle come playoff time then he did down the stretch in Minnesota
Once Darnold's contract is up, do they give him the $55M per year? I mean they won a friggin superbowl with the guy. Problem is, he is a top 16-20 guy. Could they win with almost double the cap hit?
Nobody is saying it's all Bakers fault but he was certainly a key contributor to the collapse. If you want to make excuses for outside factors then thats fine but some on this board absolve Baker of the issues so much they want to premature extend him. Extending Baker after last year's season shouldnt even have been a discussion.
Luckily Baker is more level headed then this board. Sheesh.
Absolutely nothing was Baker's fault.
almost as bad as saying it was "all his fault" based on 8 games :-)
Kidding aside, in these threads there are ample statistics and facts that should lead any reasonable person to believe that it is MORE LIKELY THAN NOT that outside factors contributed to Mayfield's decline at the end of 2025. (Not the least of which is his MUCH BETTER than usual play at the beginning of the same season lol)
But, the Red Board is home to the transparently unreasonable take, always followed by the "till the death" defense lol. Lots of "black and white" when most things are GREY.
Mayfield is a good QB and maybe even a very good QB at this stage in his career, but like most QBs not so good that he's going to always overcome obstacles/challenges and not so good that his own play doesn't dip.
A similar QB won a Super Bowl this year, for whatever that is worth.
so now we are comparing him to Sam Darnold.
No, just Same Darndold for one game . . because that is who Sam Darnold IS
For the (intentionally) reading impaired (kidding) check the bold for the actual point . . . which is probably why you posted only about Sam Darnold. or maybe it was the bit about "transparently unreasonable . . "
Absolutely nothing was Baker's fault.
almost as bad as saying it was "all his fault" based on 8 games :-)
Kidding aside, in these threads there are ample statistics and facts that should lead any reasonable person to believe that it is MORE LIKELY THAN NOT that outside factors contributed to Mayfield's decline at the end of 2025. (Not the least of which is his MUCH BETTER than usual play at the beginning of the same season lol)
But, the Red Board is home to the transparently unreasonable take, always followed by the "till the death" defense lol. Lots of "black and white" when most things are GREY.
Mayfield is a good QB and maybe even a very good QB at this stage in his career, but like most QBs not so good that he's going to always overcome obstacles/challenges and not so good that his own play doesn't dip.
A similar QB won a Super Bowl this year, for whatever that is worth.
so now we are comparing him to Sam Darnold. Darnold had a pedestrian season. He statistically had a much better 2024 with Minnesota which earned him a Baker like 3 years, $100M deal.
Darnold had less yards, TDs, more INTs, lower QB rating in 2025.
with Seattle he had a top 10 run and pass game, and had a defense ranked #1 in scoring.
Darnold also played much more clutch with Seattle come playoff time then he did down the stretch in Minnesota
Once Darnold's contract is up, do they give him the $55M per year? I mean they won a friggin superbowl with the guy. Problem is, he is a top 16-20 guy. Could they win with almost double the cap hit?
Nobody is saying it's all Bakers fault but he was certainly a key contributor to the collapse. If you want to make excuses for outside factors then thats fine but some on this board absolve Baker of the issues so much they want to premature extend him. Extending Baker after last year's season shouldnt even have been a discussion.
Luckily Baker is more level headed then this board. Sheesh.
Darnold was a game manager in 2025 and that is okay as that is how the Seahawks rebuilt that offense when they they let Locket go and traded away Metcalf in the 2025 off season Bucs offense has enough targets to let Mayfield to make plays and not rely on Mayfield magic so much. Between Godwin, Egbuka, McMillan, Hurst, Tez, Otton, Durham, Irving and KG that is more than sufficient.
All Mayfield has to do is be a game manager and he earns his money. Doesn't have to even be early 2025 Mayfield given how this offense is constructed currently.
All Mayfield has to do is be a game manager and he earns his money. Doesn't have to even be early 2025 Mayfield given how this offense is constructed currently.
yep
Maybe the Bucs have decided to use the “no extension - play for a big contract” opportunity as behavior modification. Not sure you can make a player like Baker play with more regard. He makes positive things happen when line play breaks down. All the coaches, players and fans cheer him on…but use that to blame him when the injuries mount. Which of the 3 games he won with hero-ball would you give up last season?
Like any Qb, he needs a legit line, a running game, and an OC that can adapt with a quick-pass game that can take advantage of his processing.
Dont hate the player…
Maybe the Bucs have decided to use the “no extension - play for a big contract” opportunity as behavior modification. Not sure you can make a player like Baker play with more regard. He makes positive things happen when line play breaks down. All the coaches, players and fans cheer him on…but use that to blame him when the injuries mount. Which of the 3 games he won with hero-ball would you give up last season?
Like any Qb, he needs a legit line, a running game, and an OC that can adapt with a quick-pass game that can take advantage of his processing.
Dont hate the player…
He had some bad moments last year but for the most part he's been good for us since he joined us. I think the reason he's not signed is not because of him more so because of where we sit as a team in comparison to the rest of the league. They were talking about him maybe being league MVP at a few points last year. Took a nosedive as the injuries for him happened. That's not why he's not re-signed though. He's not re-signed and same with Vea is because the team could be rebuilding next year and could just choose to start over. Even at the QB position. No use spending money if we arnt going to be able to compete. Glazers set the team in another direction with bowles as our hc. Strait to mediocrity on the fast track to a rebuild when it full collapses. However we have been able to win when he's playing well and I think they have given the team one more chance to turn it around. Otherwise decent time to start over and save some money.
Maybe the Bucs have decided to use the “no extension - play for a big contract” opportunity as behavior modification. Not sure you can make a player like Baker play with more regard. He makes positive things happen when line play breaks down. All the coaches, players and fans cheer him on…but use that to blame him when the injuries mount. Which of the 3 games he won with hero-ball would you give up last season?
Like any Qb, he needs a legit line, a running game, and an OC that can adapt with a quick-pass game that can take advantage of his processing.
Dont hate the player…
He had some bad moments last year but for the most part he's been good for us since he joined us. I think the reason he's not signed is not because of him more so because of where we sit as a team in comparison to the rest of the league. They were talking about him maybe being league MVP at a few points last year. Took a nosedive as the injuries for him happened. That's not why he's not re-signed though. He's not re-signed and same with Vea is because the team could be rebuilding next year and could just choose to start over. Even at the QB position. No use spending money if we arnt going to be able to compete. Glazers set the team in another direction with bowles as our hc. Strait to mediocrity on the fast track to a rebuild when it full collapses. However we have been able to win when he's playing well and I think they have given the team one more chance to turn it around. Otherwise decent time to start over and save some money.
appreciate your point as it's valid. Bucs need to explore options coming January 2027 depending on how 2026 goes.
If Baker somewhat repeated his 2024 performance but okay maybe not 40+ TDs...let's say he just threw 32 TDs in 2025.
what,most likely, would the Bucs record have been last year? Surely, you'd suggest at least 2 more wins at least right? so 10-7, playoff birth, probably bounced against Rams
In that scenario, is Baker still unsigned or would they extended him in the offseason with 2 dynamite seasons in a row?
Now let's fast forward to this upcoming season.
Baker throws like 25 TDs, 14 INTs, team goes like 7-10,8-9 and misses playoffs; your point likely comes into reality. One would hope that another losing season in the easiest division in football, would spell the end of Bowles. A new coach may or may not want to go in with Baker. They could want potentially a rookie or maybe they think they can reach the potential of Baker we've seen with Coen.
and of course, if Baker throws 36 TDs this year and 14 INTs, team likely winning 10 games, right? playoff birth and Bowles likely retained given a return to playoffs. This happens and Baker gets that new contract for sure, right?
Notice, how important the QB output is in these scenarios....
Maybe the Bucs have decided to use the “no extension - play for a big contract” opportunity as behavior modification.
Yeah.
That presser today…
Maybe the Bucs have decided to use the “no extension - play for a big contract” opportunity as behavior modification.
Yeah.
That presser today…
Baker with some “fake news”. Bucs not taking care of Wirfs?
first we’ve seen him have that “LDE” you like to throw around
I suppose we have another excuse for him if the team doesn’t perform well this year. “The contract situation played a part in his play”
It’s not even August and the locker room has already been lost 😂
Expectations at that we already have the HC-in-waiting, with OC very similar to the one Baker had his best season under.Maybe the Bucs have decided to use the “no extension - play for a big contract” opportunity as behavior modification.
Yeah.
That presser today…
Baker with some “fake news”. Bucs not taking care of Wirfs?
first we’ve seen him have that “LDE” you like to throw around
I suppose we have another excuse for him if the team doesn’t perform well this year. “The contract situation played a part in his play”
It’s not even August and the locker room has already been lost 😂
Coukd they be setting up a plan to move on if the season tanks? Maybe, but it’s an outlier. They could also be awaiting an increase to the cap next season…they didn’t just not extend Baker, they didn’t extend Yaya, Vita, Chase, or Cody. That speaks to something else…
Nice try, until you add context.
