people see Rodriguez as being the most NFL ready player
How do you gage success for a linebacker. I’ll tell you. Does the linebacker rarely miss tackles, does he stay in position, and most importantly, does the linebacker command the defense to make plays (TFL, Force Fumbles, INTS, Fumble recovery) by assuring everyone is in the right coverage formation.
Trotter is better than Rodriguez with all of this.
Lol wut? Based on what.
Which defense was better? Texas Tech was the best defense in the country. Rodriguez was so good he was part of the Heisman.
This is all just your opinion backed by zero facts
Look man, if you watch the tape and see where the gaps are, they are a lot more glaring with Rodriguez, particularly with leadership.
Look man, if you watch the tape and see where the gaps are, they are a lot more glaring with Rodriguez, particularly with leadership.
Say you didn't watch a single snap from either player without saying you didn't watch a single snap from either player.
You’re comparing a “mike” (Trotter) and a “will” (Rodriquez) linebacker. Many of us know that the Buccaneers desperately needed a “will” and we drafted a “Mike”. The coaching staff believes Trotter is a great Sam backer, but believe he can either become a sam, or will backer.people see Rodriguez as being the most NFL ready player
How do you gage success for a linebacker. I’ll tell you. Does the linebacker rarely miss tackles, does he stay in position, and most importantly, does the linebacker command the defense to make plays (TFL, Force Fumbles, INTS, Fumble recovery) by assuring everyone is in the right coverage formation.
Trotter is better than Rodriguez with all of this.
Therefore, he’s another Mike, and the will has to be manned by 31 y/o newcomer, Anzalone, who just replaced our 36 y/o stud LVD. We may have a couple of years, hence his contract. Many believe we had a chance to get a good “will” in this draft.
It has been pointed out by SR that Trotter is only 21 y/o and only has 2 years as a starter in college, and toward the end of his last college season showed some growth in the coverage ability/awareness. Many of us are skeptical but are resigned to see if Tritter can make this jump at the NFL level. While he does appear to be a good fit at Mike - we drafted a Mike in the 2nd round - not where you draft a Mike. We know they have plans for him at will, but that means we reached for him and we are frustrated because this type of reasoning gave us players like JTS.
the fact remains. We did NOT draft a will, which we needed, and there were 2 players that had tape showing they WERE will-type ‘backers.
You get nowhere with us by buying the hype. We don’t trust this group with certain positions, because they’ve never developed players at specific/critical positions.
We are well aware of the positions and their value. We are well aware that Trotter has 2 years of tape as a Mike and was very good in that role. We are simply frustrated that that the Licht & Bowles weak drafters look to have reached in a 2nd round developmental player in a draft where we could have gotten someone that could have contributed.
When you compare two different positions and declare them both to be the same, it informs us that you don’t really know what you’re talking about.
When you compare two different positions and declare them both to be the same, it informs us that you don’t really know what you’re talking about.
100% accurate.
The better more complete player is Trotter. It’s fine that you don’t see it that way. You will.
The better more complete player is Trotter. It’s fine that you don’t see it that way. You will.
The stats, the film, the grades, and everything else in between say otherwise.
It's weird.
Where do you draft a Mike?
Depends on how badly you need one, how badly your scheme needs one, and how many there are.Where do you draft a Mike?
Plenty of mikes available in 3rd through 5th rounds.
Not hardly. J-Rod was a slam dunk pick for us if available. Trotter is nowhere near J-Rod's league.I know we must move forward, but it hurts to think how close we were to getting Jacob Rodriguez in the 2nd round.
We were never close.
As long as Trotter was on the board, he was their pick (even with J Rod available).
We should have traded up to get J-Rod who will be a perennial pro bowler. He can do it all. Sucks we had to settle on Trotter who will be off the team in a few yearsI know we must move forward, but it hurts to think how close we were to getting Jacob Rodriguez in the 2nd round. I was against drafting him in the first round, but would have been ecstatic getting him in the 2nd.
I keep comparing his film to Trotter’s. The athleticism isn’t even close. J-Rod moves in space so much better. His coverage skills are elite for a MLB. He can run side-to-sideline.
Trotter is a bo LB. He’ll be fine in that spot, but J-Rod can do so much more. Trotter really should play early downs and come out in passing situations.
This had less to do with Trotter and more to do with J-Rod. I’m a fan first and hope for the bests but what could have been… Bain and J-Rod… 1 and 2…
We should have traded up to get J-Rod who will be a perennial pro bowler. He can do it all. Sucks we had to settle on Trotter who will be off the team in a few yearsI know we must move forward, but it hurts to think how close we were to getting Jacob Rodriguez in the 2nd round. I was against drafting him in the first round, but would have been ecstatic getting him in the 2nd.
I keep comparing his film to Trotter’s. The athleticism isn’t even close. J-Rod moves in space so much better. His coverage skills are elite for a MLB. He can run side-to-sideline.
Trotter is a bo LB. He’ll be fine in that spot, but J-Rod can do so much more. Trotter really should play early downs and come out in passing situations.
This had less to do with Trotter and more to do with J-Rod. I’m a fan first and hope for the bests but what could have been… Bain and J-Rod… 1 and 2…
I'm frustrated with the pick but this feels a bit extreme.
Trotter could prove to be a good Mike that develops coverage skills (with a new more competent staff).
And Rodriguez I think will be very good but he's older and nothing is a guarantee. With his extensive experience there will be more pressure to produce right away
You’re comparing a “mike” (Trotter) and a “will” (Rodriquez) linebacker. Many of us know that the Buccaneers desperately needed a “will” and we drafted a “Mike”. The coaching staff believes Trotter is a great Sam backer, but believe he can either become a sam, or will backer.people see Rodriguez as being the most NFL ready player
How do you gage success for a linebacker. I’ll tell you. Does the linebacker rarely miss tackles, does he stay in position, and most importantly, does the linebacker command the defense to make plays (TFL, Force Fumbles, INTS, Fumble recovery) by assuring everyone is in the right coverage formation.
Trotter is better than Rodriguez with all of this.
Therefore, he’s another Mike, and the will has to be manned by 31 y/o newcomer, Anzalone, who just replaced our 36 y/o stud LVD. We may have a couple of years, hence his contract. Many believe we had a chance to get a good “will” in this draft.
It has been pointed out by SR that Trotter is only 21 y/o and only has 2 years as a starter in college, and toward the end of his last college season showed some growth in the coverage ability/awareness. Many of us are skeptical but are resigned to see if Tritter can make this jump at the NFL level. While he does appear to be a good fit at Mike - we drafted a Mike in the 2nd round - not where you draft a Mike. We know they have plans for him at will, but that means we reached for him and we are frustrated because this type of reasoning gave us players like JTS.
the fact remains. We did NOT draft a will, which we needed, and there were 2 players that had tape showing they WERE will-type ‘backers.
You get nowhere with us by buying the hype. We don’t trust this group with certain positions, because they’ve never developed players at specific/critical positions.
We are well aware of the positions and their value. We are well aware that Trotter has 2 years of tape as a Mike and was very good in that role. We are simply frustrated that that the Licht & Bowles weak drafters look to have reached in a 2nd round developmental player in a draft where we could have gotten someone that could have contributed.
When you compare two different positions and declare them both to be the same, it informs us that you don’t really know what you’re talking about.
Very well put
I personally like Jerimiah Trotter, he seems to have a reputation as a solid kid and a hard worker, good tape. Many who aren’t happy with the pick, aren’t happy with using the #46 pick on him. He had nothing to do with where he was picked.
I’d like to think we would have selected Rodriquez if Miami hadn’t snaked him just 3 picks before us, but I am beginning to consider DH’s idea that Bowles may have chosen Trotter over Rodriquez even if both had been available.
I don’t know if I’m there yet, but the public relations hype machine is cranking into overdrive on Trotter…so, maybe.
Pulling for Trotter, it would be nice to be wrong.
Not hardly. J-Rod was a slam dunk pick for us if available.
Oh really?
They openly admitted they had them graded the same.
They were taking Trotter no matter what.