Whenever I present a strong point that you can’t dispute you chop up my post and bring up past players, even though I was usually right about them.
lolz - if you think you being "neutral" on Todd Bowles is strong point that can't be disputed, there isn't much else to say. You've defended Bowles for years now. You aren't fooling anybody that been around to witness it.
I can't get enough of this level of delusion. Five stars. No notes.
Stovall- When given the chance to be the #2 he performed like an average #2. I thought he should have been given that role in 2010 but instead they burned a high 2 with Benn. I hated the Benn pick and was right.
Freeman- didn’t know he had a problem. Should have put him in rehab. Special talent.
Pamphile- Bucs had him internally graded as their best lineman in 2016. He developed an undisclosed illness.
Rosen- I knew he grew up wealthy but I didn’t know he didn’t love football.
Humphries- Great player for us. Had we re-signed him he would have been special with Brady. Titans weren’t a fit, then got concussions.
Miller- Great player for us. Brady actually had a higher QBR in 2020 when he was the #3 instead of AB. Don’t know why they kept using resources to try replace him (Darden, Gage). Stupid.
Tucker- elite back. Elite. When he gets to be a real part of the offense he looks amazing but they just give him scraps. Costs us games.
Double lolz
if baker hit 2025 like he did 2024, we'd all be clamoring to extend him
This is where you guys lose me. It's almost double speak. He's an mvp talk QB literally overcoming blocked punts (Houston) and IN YOUR OWN WORDS plays for an incompetent head coach and even then his decline in play tracks with an injury... but 2025?
when was his injury? The Rams game?
he was not playing great in 3 out of the 4 games before that (Detroit, New Orleans, Buffalo)
injured so bad that he was still able to play? that's an awfully big leap of faith you are asking people to take. In 2025, he played closer to his best years of his career previously. 2024 looks to be the anomaly until he proves different.
Whenever I present a strong point that you can’t dispute you chop up my post and bring up past players, even though I was usually right about them.
lolz - if you think you being "neutral" on Todd Bowles is strong point that can't be disputed, there isn't much else to say. You've defended Bowles for years now. You aren't fooling anybody that been around to witness it.
I can't get enough of this level of delusion. Five stars. No notes.
Stovall- When given the chance to be the #2 he performed like an average #2. I thought he should have been given that role in 2010 but instead they burned a high 2 with Benn. I hated the Benn pick and was right.
Freeman- didn’t know he had a problem. Should have put him in rehab. Special talent.
Pamphile- Bucs had him internally graded as their best lineman in 2016. He developed an undisclosed illness.
Rosen- I knew he grew up wealthy but I didn’t know he didn’t love football.
Humphries- Great player for us. Had we re-signed him he would have been special with Brady. Titans weren’t a fit, then got concussions.
Miller- Great player for us. Brady actually had a higher QBR in 2020 when he was the #3 instead of AB. Don’t know why they kept using resources to try replace him (Darden, Gage). Stupid.
Tucker- elite back. Elite. When he gets to be a real part of the offense he looks amazing but they just give him scraps. Costs us games.
Double lolz
Todd Bowles' Bucs resume as a DC/HC deserves more respect than he gets from fans and media. That point cannot be argued against so you just say "sToValL"
f only the rest of the NFL saw what you saw....
Exactly.
We have a lot of young Buc fans on here. Many don’t understand what poverty this team has seen. It’s the main thing that makes me laugh when many are like “Fire this guy, Licht isn’t as good as you make him, bring back Shiano”.
just because we endured some shit years doesn't mean you keep a coach who the team quit on, can't call a good defense when dedicated half of his time to it, lost the locker room so bad that the leaders said fuck it, endured one of the worst collapse in franchise history.
If Bucs go 6-11 next year, do you keep Todd Bowles?
Whenever I present a strong point that you can’t dispute you chop up my post and bring up past players, even though I was usually right about them.
lolz - if you think you being "neutral" on Todd Bowles is strong point that can't be disputed, there isn't much else to say. You've defended Bowles for years now. You aren't fooling anybody that been around to witness it.
I can't get enough of this level of delusion. Five stars. No notes.
Stovall- When given the chance to be the #2 he performed like an average #2. I thought he should have been given that role in 2010 but instead they burned a high 2 with Benn. I hated the Benn pick and was right.
Freeman- didn’t know he had a problem. Should have put him in rehab. Special talent.
Pamphile- Bucs had him internally graded as their best lineman in 2016. He developed an undisclosed illness.
Rosen- I knew he grew up wealthy but I didn’t know he didn’t love football.
Humphries- Great player for us. Had we re-signed him he would have been special with Brady. Titans weren’t a fit, then got concussions.
Miller- Great player for us. Brady actually had a higher QBR in 2020 when he was the #3 instead of AB. Don’t know why they kept using resources to try replace him (Darden, Gage). Stupid.
Tucker- elite back. Elite. When he gets to be a real part of the offense he looks amazing but they just give him scraps. Costs us games.
Double lolz
Todd Bowles' Bucs resume as a DC/HC deserves more respect than he gets from fans and media. That point cannot be argued against so you just say "sToValL"
Todd Bowles the DC....for sure....we won a Superbowl with him as DC in which he shut down Mahomes. Will give him credit there
i dont think many are giving him credit for his head coaching resume though
Todd Bowles' Bucs resume as a DC/HC deserves more respect than he gets from fans and media. That point cannot be argued against
He's sub-.500 with 3 winning seasons in his 8 year career as a HC.
And, that's with half of it being in the shittiest division in the NFL.
While that's good enough for first ballot honors in the JC HoF, he doesn't deserve any additional respect from the media and fans.
f only the rest of the NFL saw what you saw....
Exactly.
We have a lot of young Buc fans on here. Many don’t understand what poverty this team has seen. It’s the main thing that makes me laugh when many are like “Fire this guy, Licht isn’t as good as you make him, bring back Shiano”.
just because we endured some shit years doesn't mean you keep a coach who the team quit on, can't call a good defense when dedicated half of his time to it, lost the locker room so bad that the leaders said fuck it, endured one of the worst collapse in franchise history.
If Bucs go 6-11 next year, do you keep Todd Bowles?
That is the thing that make this particular upcoming season interesting. Everyone is against Bowles so can he prove them all wrong? He already said that is the challenge.
Under the circumstances the team is capable of a terrible collapse ending in Bowles termination.
The team could also keep everyone healthy and win the division and make the playoffs. That possibility would likely include some things that Bucs fans should love, like the emergence of Egbuka, Mayfield on fire in a contract year, Diaby the same.
That possibility might even include one thing that many fans would hate . .. Bowles staying on . .. or even . . an extension lol
Either way, that storyline makes it an interesting season, not a lost season. Until we get to the resolution though there will be plenty here openly rooting - and maybe even betting - against Bowles and by extension the Bucs. So be it. Adds to the excitement, especially if the 2026 Bucs are somewhere between the two extremes, collapse or extension.
If Bucs go 6-11 next year, do you keep Todd Bowles?
I think that would be unlikely, but it would actually depend on the scenario. Bucs start out 5-0 but then Mayfield goes down . .
Not sure of the timing of this but the Bucs want a new stadium or at least a major reno. Much easier to do that with excited fans
Todd Bowles' Bucs resume as a DC/HC deserves more respect than he gets from fans and media. That point cannot be argued against so you just say "sToValL"
And yet, it's argued against on here every day. Almost all of those arguments are more persuasive than "he deserves respect" so he should keep his job. Head coaches don't to keep their job forever because of what they did in the past as a coordinator. That's not how this thing - the NFL - works. I thought a paid professional like yourself would realize that. Gruden won a Superbowl here as a HC/OC. I suppose he should have been given "respect" with a lifetime HC appointment.
As a HC, his unit as defensive player caller and team overall has under-performed in one of the shittiest divisions in the NFL over the last four years. He's been an average-at-best Head Coach in Tampa with easily the best roster in the division, with two losing seasons. If and when he is let go, he will not be getting another Head Coaching opportunity after the shit-show in New York and under-performing with this team in Tampa. Almost the entirety of the NFL world expected the team to move on from Bowles after the late-season collapse. Quit your soy boy whining about "respect" because of what somebody did in the past.
It seems that you're not neutral at all and your leghumping "respect" point can be argued. Imagine that.
Todd Bowles' Bucs resume as a DC/HC deserves more respect than he gets from fans and media. That point cannot be argued against so you just say "sToValL"
And yet, it's argued against on here every day.
From "injuries dont matter" to "optics" . . . since 2022
Thats why JC is right, at least at a fundamental level
I’m neutral on Bowles
A very short list of other people you're "neutral" on:
Maurice Stovall
Josh Freeman
Kevin Pamphile
Josh Rosen
Adam Humphries
Speedy Scotty Miller
Sean "Emmith Smith Jr." Tucker.
Why are the Bowles leghumpers trying to act as if they aren't Bowles leghumpers now? At least own it, cowards.
dont forget Luke McCown!
I’ll get to the others later but the Bucs went 1-16 in a 17 game stretch with Griese, Garcia, Leftwich, Johnson and a rookie Freeman. Luke McCown publicly talked about he was benched pre-game in Atlanta because of a contract dispute.
not sure about the contract dispute for a vet minimum contract
After that 2008 collapse, Luke played until 2015....another 7 seasons and threw exactly zero touchdown passes in that span.
if only the rest of the NFL saw what you saw....
They were trying to lock him in before the Falcons game. He rejected it so they benched him. Again, it’s all public.
doubtful it's public. I'd asked to share a link, but not sure an article has ever been written about your boy Luke
so let me get this straight, Garcia and Griese started the first 12 games to a 9-3 record. Garcia goes down in the monday night game and instead of going back to Griese who was 3-0 as starter, they wanted to do McCown but couldn't iron out his vet minimum contract....
what are your smoking cuz and let's just make sure you arent' operating a fork lift while doing it
There's good news and bad news for you. The good news for you is that I got one detail wrong.The contract offer was in the 2008 off-season, not during the season. The bad news for is I found the quotes. These are all from McCown's twitter.
"In 2008 I was told I wasn't going to start during pre-game warmups, after practicing and preparing all week to start against Atlanta when I played for the Bucs. We were 8-4 in the thick of the division and playoffs... and all of the sudden out of nowhere my QB coach informs that I'm not starting and was benched. I know it was because I had turned down their low ball offer the off-season prior and was going to be a free agent and if I played the remaining 4 games like I did in 2007 and got us in the playoffs like I did in 07' against New Orleans that I would fetch a big number in free agency so they kept me from playing the last 4 weeks altogther. "
The 2007 and 2008 teams were excellent besides the QB. Garcia and Griese were holding those teams back from having huge records. I thought McCown should have started the rest of 2007. Garcia was bad in the playoff game. Before garbage time he was 14/28, 106 yards, 0 TDs with a redzone INT on 2nd down when the was score was 17-7 in the middle of the 3rd qtr. That game was winnable. Just not with Garcia.
Gruden tried to get Favre in the summer of 2008. When that fall apart at the last minute he should have just cut Garcia who was pouting and named McCown. Instead he went back and forth with those two bad QBs and we were losing games we had no business losing. We were 9-3 but should have been 12-0. And then the McCown thing happened in Atlanta. Bryan Clark blocks a punt down 13-10 late in the 4th and the offense got two fucking yards. We kick a short FG, Griese froze in OT and we lost. If McCown plays we win that game pretty easily and clinch the playoffs right then and there.
The Buccaneers gave Luke McCown the biggest contract (2 years, $7.5M) he ever received in the NFL. They wanted him to succeed.
But, like damn near every JC All Star, he simply wasn't very good. Delusional.
Todd Bowles' Bucs resume as a DC/HC deserves more respect than he gets from fans and media. That point cannot be argued against so you just say "sToValL"
And yet, it's argued against on here every day. Almost all of those arguments are more persuasive than "he deserves respect" so he should keep his job. Head coaches don't to keep their job forever because of what they did in the past as a coordinator. That's not how this thing - the NFL - works. I thought a paid professional like yourself would realize that. Gruden won a Superbowl here as a HC/OC. I suppose he should have been given "respect" with a lifetime HC appointment.
As a HC, his unit as defensive player caller and team overall has under-performed in one of the shittiest divisions in the NFL over the last four years. He's been an average-at-best Head Coach in Tampa with easily the best roster in the division, with two losing seasons. If and when he is let go, he will not be getting another Head Coaching opportunity after the shit-show in New York and under-performing with this team in Tampa. Almost the entirety of the NFL world expected the team to move on from Bowles after the late-season collapse. Quit your soy boy whining about "respect" because of what somebody did in the past.
It seems that you're not neutral at all and your leghumping "respect" point can be argued. Imagine that.
Here's why you're dead ass wrong. He's built up enough equity in the franchise to have one season where we miss the playoffs, on a wonky tie-breaker at that, when we had I believe the most games missed by previous season starters.
Saying he won't get another opportunity at 63 isn't some earth shattering revelation. What might be hard for you deal with is the talent gap isn't as wide as you think it is. After this draft it likely will no longer exist. And that's on the GM, not the HC.
The Buccaneers gave Luke McCown the biggest contract (2 years, $7.5M) he ever received in the NFL. They wanted him to succeed.
But, like damn near every JC All Star, he simply wasn't very good. Delusional.
They wanted him to succeed so bad they handed the 2009 starting job to a dead end and traded McCown.
What might be hard for you deal with is the talent gap isn't as wide as you think it is.
When I want an accurate evaluation of personnel and talent, you're the first guy I think of.
I don't think it helps the talent level when the organization's best offensive player they ever drafted chooses to leave the organization after 12 years for less money because he understands the HC/DC should have been shown the door.