I thought his suggestion for some guaranteed portion (30% to 40%) on that final year - was a good oneFWIW
"Pewter Report’s resident salary cap expert Josh Queipo revealed that the Bucs probably offered a pretty robust offer of a two-year extension in the range of $51.75 million to $55 million per season, while Mayfield was likely looking for at least a three-year extension through 2029. The disparity is probably over the 2029 season and perhaps not having the contract fully guaranteed, which Mayfield likely would want."
I thought his suggestion for some guaranteed portion (30% to 40%) on that final year - was a good oneFWIW
"Pewter Report’s resident salary cap expert Josh Queipo revealed that the Bucs probably offered a pretty robust offer of a two-year extension in the range of $51.75 million to $55 million per season, while Mayfield was likely looking for at least a three-year extension through 2029. The disparity is probably over the 2029 season and perhaps not having the contract fully guaranteed, which Mayfield likely would want."
Maybe!
If JQ's guess about the negotiations is close to the actual negotiations then they were actually very close (ie negotiating over the 3rd year). That would explain the public pushback from the team and maybe does put some of this on Mayfield.
As posted by multiple people, winning does cure all (or most) though so time to ball.
I think this deal would have been a good/fair, win-win with one more year and some portion of it guaranteed.They have no other option at QB, so if Baker balls out they have to pay him.
Actually, they don't.
Barring a trip to the NFCCG, this entire coaching staff (including Licht), needs to be shown the door.
New FO, new GM, new HC, etc.
They should be able to make their own decision on what they want to do with their future roster, including QB.
Sure they can tag him, but what if the guy who sat out a year after transferring to Oklahoma without a scholarship - decides he doesn’t want your $43m to $53m to be on your team anymore?
At this juncture in his career, there is no chance that Baker would sit out if he were tagged.
Now, if he wanted to put Tampa in a tough spot (assuming they tag him next offseason), he could simply play on the tag and not negotiate a new deal. Make Tampa eat what would essentially be an estimated $80M cap hit. Thus, forcing the team to have to pull a number of moves to just get to cap compliance, signing the 2027 rookie class, operating costs, etc.
2027 Free Agency? Lol...yeah, you can forget about that.
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Now, all this being said, I think the Glazers offer was more than fair.
Remember, this last year of his contract wasn't guaranteed.
So, they guarantee this year AND offer 2 more years at over $100M+, essentially guaranteed.
That means between the 2026, 2027, and 2028 seasons; he'd be in the Top 6-7 quarterbacks as it pertains to guaranteed money.
I also don't fault the Glazers for keeping it on the shorter side for obvious reasons.
This was a win-win offer for both sides.
Sounds like hats the one Baker wanted as well.
Do you think Zach Robinson is being reviewed this season as Bowles replacement?
Lot of righting of the ship being assessed. The level of change you’re suggesting as being considered is so significant, that I dont believe this organization is capable of making, at least not without what is an historical amount of losing.
Lots of things on the table.
like I said bold strategy by the boys who nearly brought us the Ralph Freidgen era (and did bring us the Greg Schiano era). Who knows, with North Carolina getting close to ending their relationship with their HC, maybe Bill Belichick is in secret negotiations?
I think this deal would have been a good/fair, win-win with one more year and some portion of it guaranteed.
It was good/far, win-win without the extra year.
I can also understand the hesitation of the Glazers, considering he’d be 34 going into that additional season (age, his play style, etc).
Not to mention, not only was Baker asking for that 2029 season to be added, he wanted it guaranteed as well (at the AAY of the current offer).
If you count this season, which is essentially YEAR ONE of a new deal; he was looking for $190M+ in guaranteed money in total.
Sorry, buddy. But, you ain’t that guy.
Don’t blame the Glazers at all.
Could be, Baker leaving the door open for his agent to continue talking is interesting.
other than that, on to Cincinnati.
I can understand playing hardball, if you are prepared. We’re not, and won’t have access to a QB in the draft. Both sides can play hardball, sounds like that’s the plan.
They basically offered two tag years In the form of a 2year extension.
We’re not, and won’t have access to a QB in the draft.
Won’t know that for sure until Dec/Jan.
As you said, on to Cincinnati!
I think this deal would have been a good/fair, win-win with one more year and some portion of it guaranteed.
It was good/far, win-win without the extra year.
I can also understand the hesitation of the Glazers, considering he’d be 34 going into that additional season (age, his play style, etc).
Not to mention, not only was Baker asking for that 2029 season to be added, he wanted it guaranteed as well (at the AAY of the current offer).
If you count this season, which is essentially YEAR ONE of a new deal; he was looking for $190M+ in guaranteed money in total.
Sorry, buddy. But, you ain’t that guy.
Don’t blame the Glazers at all.
Agreed. For what Baker has done in Tampa so far, the reported offer of the two-year extension is reasonable. If Baker wants to wait until after his performance this year, that's his prerogative. But that may only push him closer to being tagged, which nobody wants.
As unprofessional as his PC was, Baker at least gets credit for not being a complete bitch and requesting a trade.
Baker is a quality starter that for short periods can even be a clutch franchise QB that can win games on a last minute drive, with a competent OC he can be even better. With competency in the other two phases of the game pulling their weight, we should be in great shape.
At Qb and at head coach.
after the retirement of the current one, that is.
Baker is a quality starter that for short periods can even be a clutch franchise QB that can win games on a last minute drive, with a competent OC he can be even better. With competency in the other two phases of the game pulling their weight, we should be in great shape.
At Qb and at head coach.
after the retirement of the current one, that is.
As Donkey Hunter said after the 2023 season, he is consistently inconsistent
dude can win games like he did early on last year, but then even after his 40+ touchdown 2024 season, he pissed down his leg when the Bucs were up 17-13 in the 4th quarter and he fumbled in our redzone. That was rough to witness and game was sealed.
As he has shown last year, dude can be a top 10 QB or a bottom 10QB.
There has been more good than bad under the Baker area, but last year really makes you open up eyes. Bucs at 4-7 in 2023, 4-6 in 2024 taking season streaks to get to just above .500 records to win weakest division in football. We all expected it last year sitting at 6-5, but instead went 2-4 luckily with the defense being able to win us 2 games.
Just unfortunate for Baker that his worst Buccaneer season happened most recent. Bucs using that against him, hence no premature contract extension you all desired.
Bucs using that against him, hence no premature contract extension you all desired.
Yet, they did in fact, offer him an extension.
Maybe, but my point was they new what needed to be done, likely before initiating the extension discussion. It was the Bucs opportunity to reach for something while preserving future roster spots. They pulled up short.I think this deal would have been a good/fair, win-win with one more year and some portion of it guaranteed.
It was good/far, win-win without the extra year.
I can also understand the hesitation of the Glazers, considering he’d be 34 going into that additional season (age, his play style, etc).
Not to mention, not only was Baker asking for that 2029 season to be added, he wanted it guaranteed as well (at the AAY of the current offer).
If you count this season, which is essentially YEAR ONE of a new deal; he was looking for $190M+ in guaranteed money in total.
Sorry, buddy. But, you ain’t that guy.
Don’t blame the Glazers at all.
Agreed. For what Baker has done in Tampa so far, the reported offer of the two-year extension is reasonable. If Baker wants to wait until after his performance this year, that's his prerogative. But that may only push him closer to being tagged, which nobody wants.
As unprofessional as his PC was, Baker at least gets credit for not being a complete bitch and requesting a trade.
Negotiating next season means it’s a tag year, or a disruption. They chose safe now, too much to negotiate later, and possibly disruption/change.
It’s not where they wanted to be, but that’s the breaks. Could be they still work something out, feels like the plan is 2 tags and…we’ll see how it plays out.
Some team is going to re-sign their QB to a big salary and that will make it more volatile and maybe raise the average by 2028…but we know we know the plan this season.
I think this deal would have been a good/fair, win-win with one more year and some portion of it guaranteed.
yes I think most would agree and so it really comes down to whether believes the Bucs fell short or Mayfield blew it up prematurely.
No matter where one falls on that question there are at least three things that cannot be denied:
1. The Bucs game Mayfield a second chance when almost no one would
2. The Bucs have CONSISTENTLY said they want Mayfield here and backed that up with a 2nd contract and, more recently, the owners coming out to say they will pay what it takes
3. Mayfield created the artificial deadline that became his blow up.
On #3, Mayfield is best buds with Wirfs. Wirfs extension was reached in? . . . . August?
"On Monday morning, just after the Tampa Bay Buccaneers' fifth training camp practice, Tristan Wirfs said his contract talks with the team were "moving good." Turns out that was an understatement.
By Thursday morning, those talks were complete and Wirfs had agreed to a new five-year extension that runs through the 2029 season.
I think this deal would have been a good/fair, win-win with one more year and some portion of it guaranteed.
It was good/far, win-win without the extra year.
I can also understand the hesitation of the Glazers, considering he’d be 34 going into that additional season (age, his play style, etc).
Not to mention, not only was Baker asking for that 2029 season to be added, he wanted it guaranteed as well (at the AAY of the current offer).
If you count this season, which is essentially YEAR ONE of a new deal; he was looking for $190M+ in guaranteed money in total.
Sorry, buddy. But, you ain’t that guy.
Don’t blame the Glazers at all.
Agreed. For what Baker has done in Tampa so far, the reported offer of the two-year extension is reasonable. If Baker wants to wait until after his performance this year, that's his prerogative. But that may only push him closer to being tagged, which nobody wants.
As unprofessional as his PC was, Baker at least gets credit for not being a complete bitch and requesting a trade.
Agreed on all fronts.
Maybe, but my point was they new what needed to be done, likely before initiating the extension discussion. It was the Bucs opportunity to reach for something while preserving future roster spots. They pulled up short.
I have no doubt the team has been in discussions with his agent all offseason. They simply don’t appear to be willing to give Mayfield what he’s asking for right now. If he blows up this season, he’ll probably get what he’s asking.
As much as most on here don’t want to admit it, Baker’s falloff in play last season has clearly had an effect on how long the team wants to commit to him right now. If he continued his MVP-level play that he started 2025 with, do you fellas think he only gets offered two years guaranteed?
If Mayfield continued his MVP play throughout 2025 maybe the Bucs still hand him 2 years guaranteed offer but offer more years on the contract. Bottom line it is not about guaranteed money it is about contract length from Mayfield's point of view.
Mayfield playing on a 1 year or 2 year prove it deal at his age is more than a annoyance as it is really an insult.
