Then (2024) versus now - might Robinson be the scapegoat?

Posted by: @badabingbucs

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Posted by: @bucsbits

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Posted by: @alldaway

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Licht and Bowles fate is tied to Mayfield.  I mean that is what it comes down to.

 

 

do you mean that Mayfield could save the day for both?

 

let's see how today goes

Baker leads us to victory and we are re-energized 

Baker fails to lead O to 23 points and we make up excuses - no Luke, no Emeka, injury, etc. 

 

well I don't think he can save Bowles and I don't think the challenges on offense are unique to him. 

Posted by: @bucsbits

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THE BUCS DEFENSE IS IMPROVED, PARTICULARLY IF YOU ADJUST SCORING DEFENSE FOR ST SCORES ETC . COMPARISON TO 2024:

In the 2024 NFL season, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers defense ranked 18th in total defense, allowing an average of 341.8 yards per game according to Fox Sports<!--TgQPHd|||[[" https://www.foxsports.com/articles/nfl/2024-nfl-defense-rankings-team-pass-and-rush-stats",null,null, [null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,null,[{"1218":[16,null,null,null,[1]]}]],16,null,"2024 NFL Defense Rankings: Team Pass and Rush Stats","Table_title: Total Defense Table_content: | # | Team | Defense Yards Avg. | Playoff Avg. | TD Allowed | Playoff TD | | - | - | - | - | - | - | | 1 | Eagles | 278.4 | 351.3 | 33 | 5 | | 2 | Titans | 311.2 | - | 55 | - | | 3 | Jets | 313.7 | - | 42 | - | | 4 | Dolphins | 314.4 | - | 36 | - | | 5 | Packers | 314.5 | 290 | 39 | 2 | | 6 | Texans | 315 | 236.5 | 42 | 3 | | 7 | Broncos | 317.1 | 471 | 32 | 3 | | 8 | 49ers | 317.4 | - | 50 | - | | 9 | Chiefs | 320.6 | 355 | 37 | 5 | | 10 | Ravens | 324.2 | 276.5 | 39 | 5 | | 11 | Chargers | 324.4 | 429 | 31 | 3 | | 12 | Steelers | 326.7 | 464 | 39 | 4 | | 13 | Commanders | 326.9 | 421.3 | 45 | 14 | | 14 | Seahawks | 332.7 | - | 40 | - | | 15 | Raiders | 333.1 | - | 46 | - | | 16 | Vikings | 335.4 | 292 | 37 | 3 | | 17 | Bills | 341.5 | 336 | 44 | 8 | | 18 | Buccaneers | 341.8 | 350 | 41 | 2 | | 19 | Browns | 342.1 | - | 53 | - | | 20 | Lions | 342.4 | 481 | 37 | 6 | | 21 | Cardinals | 342.5 | - | 40 | - | | 22 | Patriots | 342.9 | - | 47 | - | | 23 | Falcons | 345.1 | - | 47 | - | | 24 | Giants | 346.8 | - | 47 | - | | 25 | Bengals | 348.3 | - | 53 | - | | 26 | Rams | 353.1 | 309.5 | 43 | 4 | | 27 | Bears | 354.2 | - | 37 | - | | 28 | Cowboys | 355.2 | - | 55 | - | | 29 | Colts | 361.2 | - | 48 | - | | 30 | Saints | 379.9 | - | 43 | - | | 31 | Jaguars | 389.9 | - | 48 | - | | 32 | Panthers | 404.5 | - | 61 | - |"," https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q\u003dtbn:ANd9GcTGRvbQpiAWm5M7wStt9E5mR1pSDnCYqzGboTmvPysiDSsr_4t3d-AQb3ONRy0_tjmGC8yvjAqHVXtj4jc","FOX Sports"," https://www.foxsports.com\u0026client\u003dAIM\u0026size\u003d128\u0026type\u003dFAVICON\u0026fallback_opts\u003dTYPE,SIZE,URL" ," target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"> https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/faviconV2?url\u003dhttps://www.foxsports.com\u0026client\u003dAIM\u0026size\u003d128\u0026type\u003dFAVICON\u0026fallback_opts\u003dTYPE,SIZE,URL", [[1792843451942749,19941030,356337916],null,null,null,null,[[2,4]]],null,"39c8ccd4-9388-4dec-a7b2-65251c8643d5"]]-->. [1]

Key 2024 Defensive Stats for Tampa Bay:

• Total Defense: 18th (341.8 yards allowed per game) (CURRENTLY 299.5  4TH IN THE LEAGUE)

• Rushing defense:  7th (4.1 yards per carry ) (CURRENTLY  3.4 YPC, 3RD IN THE LEAGUE)
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• Passing Defense: 30th ( 245.3 yards allowed per game)  (CURRENTLY 224, 19TH IN LEAGUE)

• Scoring Defense: 17th 22.6 points per game. (CURRENTLY 23 POINTS PER GAME, 17TH IN THE LEAGUE)

"41.2 percent of the drives against Tampa Bay fail to gain a first down, 4th in the league."

glimpses of the 2024 O-line in this game.  How about this stat:

"The Bucs had 171 rush yards before contact according to ESPN's tracking, the most in a game so far this season. The Bucs have two of the three highest yards before contact games this season. That’s a testament to run blocking (Dallas was the other game)."

Let's not get crazy here.

Cowboys and Panthers are atrocious against the run.

I took all the overs on Bucky yards both games because of this...

It's great to see the line getting some push and not expecting Baker to do as much... 

But this still isn't a good team. Good win but we have 5 losses. Best case scenario is we finish strong and win a shit division again

Posted by: @fire-derrangement-syndrome

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But this still isn't a good team.

to be a "good team' you have to be able to pass the ball. 

The Bucs can defend okay, have better specials teams and can run the ball SOMETIMES, but still zero passing game.

nothing to get crazy about.

Falcons at home good test