what other franchises have done something similar? where the team was experiencing progress in a rebuild and they fired the head coach for an up and comer coordinator.
not saying it hasn't happened just trying to think if it's been done elsewhere
I'm not sure, but I could give you a pretty good list of teams that regret not doing that - starting with Washington with McVay & Cleveland with Kyle Shanahan.
What other franchises have traded two firsts, two seconds, & $8M for a Head Coach? The Glazers haven't been afraid of big moves in the past. They simply chose the chicken-shit route this time around. Nobody it's saying it would have been easy, but it would have been the correct move for the franchise.
what other franchises have done something similar? where the team was experiencing progress in a rebuild and they fired the head coach for an up and comer coordinator.
not saying it hasn't happened just trying to think if it's been done elsewhere
Its not that uncommon, right? Maybe thats why you qualified it like that?
The Bills just fired their successful HC citing "playoff wall" and replaced him with an internal hire. The Bucs fired Dungy for the "playoff wall." You already mentioned Lovie, which was admittedly a different situation given Lovie's record.
I think the reason Bowles/Coen was different is primarily a point I've made here a bunch: that the Bucs (and especially Licht) probably looked at Bowles as someone who kept the team relevant in less than ideal situations (dead cap etc). One way he did that was by hiring and then losing Canales. And then hiring Coen. So, to turn around and fire playoff Bowles to replace him with his own second successful OC hire was probably several bridges too far on the "bridge too far" loyalty scale (especially with Arians as a VP).
The "have to be bold" thing from Biggs is the very worst kind of hindsight nonsense. If Coen struggled last season NO ONE would be celebrating the Glazers bold call to NOT fall for Coen lmao. Moves like firing Bowles for Coen or like the Bills move I mention above are not "bold" they are REACTIONARY. Just like Dungy > Gruden, who wasnt even the choice lol. When reactionary choices work out people go "oooh how bold" and when they dont they cry about Lost Decades . . . Gruden > Morris > Schiano . . .
if you watch the Bucs show on Amazon, it should be pretty clear that the Glazers are trying to avoid a second Lost Decade, perhaps to a fault.
(FWIW, there were negative questions about Coen's personality inside of OBP, so there had to be some understandable doubt about his ability as a HC)
Nobody it's saying it would have been easy, but it would have been the correct move for the franchise.
lol, like hiring Bill Parcells!
Yea and everyone knew it was the right thing to do. Everyone but the glazers, Licht, and arians. I think people were waiting for someone better to come along anyway since the game vs the rams in the playoffs. He's just not a good hc. Bucs leadership chose their friend. He's not the absolute worst hc in the league but the bucs with who've they have had on their team needed someone better to lead them and there is no question they could have been better. Potential was certainly there and why people have been so frustrated.
what other franchises have done something similar? where the team was experiencing progress in a rebuild and they fired the head coach for an up and comer coordinator.
not saying it hasn't happened just trying to think if it's been done elsewhere
Its not that uncommon, right? Maybe thats why you qualified it like that?
The Bills just fired their successful HC citing "playoff wall" and replaced him with an internal hire. The Bucs fired Dungy for the "playoff wall." You already mentioned Lovie, which was admittedly a different situation given Lovie's record.
I think the reason Bowles/Coen was different is primarily a point I've made here a bunch: that the Bucs (and especially Licht) probably looked at Bowles as someone who kept the team relevant in less than ideal situations (dead cap etc). One way he did that was by hiring and then losing Canales. And then hiring Coen. So, to turn around and fire playoff Bowles to replace him with his own second successful OC hire was probably several bridges too far on the "bridge too far" loyalty scale (especially with Arians as a VP).
The "have to be bold" thing from Biggs is the very worst kind of hindsight nonsense. If Coen struggled last season NO ONE would be celebrating the Glazers bold call to NOT fall for Coen lmao. Moves like firing Bowles for Coen or like the Bills move I mention above are not "bold" they are REACTIONARY. Just like Dungy > Gruden, who wasnt even the choice lol. When reactionary choices work out people go "oooh how bold" and when they dont they cry about Lost Decades . . . Gruden > Morris > Schiano . . .
if you watch the Bucs show on Amazon, it should be pretty clear that the Glazers are trying to avoid a second Lost Decade, perhaps to a fault.
(FWIW, there were negative questions about Coen's personality inside of OBP, so there had to be some understandable doubt about his ability as a HC)
id hardly call the bills situation similar. They weren't experiencing any playoff success. This year, with no Burrow, Mahomes or Jackson in the playoffs, STILL...they couldn't make any noise in playoffs. McDermott should have been fired....and i'd argue the Bills didn't really upgrade with Brady and was a poor move but i digress....a little different than a post Brady era rebuild that somehow we remained a playoff team.
With Dungy, again, kept hitting a playoff wall, expectations high, traded for Keyshawn and thus, wanted to make a splash. Are the Bucs a similar situation? We seem very mid on both sides of the ball and benefiting from a weak division. The Dungy Bucs had championship apsirations......do the Bucs feel that way about this team? Hard to phantom.
Of course Lovie was a situation where the team was losing and losing bad, they just spent draft capital on a first overall QB. Quite a different situation.
so yeah i do feel it's uncommon as the 3 you mentioned, dont really fit the mold.
Biggs mentioned good points on teams regretting it...which i would put the Bucs with Coen in that very category. I just dont know how reasonable it was to expect them to do it at that time. Even knowing all the things at play, a progressing worse defense, an offense that carried the team, etc.
Yea and everyone knew it was the right thing to do. Everyone but the glazers, Licht, and arians. I think people were waiting for someone better to come along anyway since the game vs the rams in the playoffs. He's just not a good hc. Bucs leadership chose their friend. He's not the absolute worst hc in the league but the bucs with who've they have had on their team needed someone better to lead them and there is no question they could have been better. Potential was certainly there and why people have been so frustrated.
Brian Flores filed racial discrimination lawsuit in 2022
Todd Bowles is head coach of team post Brady that won back to back divisions at the time, winning a playoff game in the first year, and increasing win total year over year.
Expectations for the Bucs were low
This was happening all around the time of 2024/early 2025 where current climate was still Democrat policy. (view Gruden getting kicked out of ROH back in 2021 and reinstated in 2025)
If you don't think the Glazers were worried about blow back, you guys aren't living in the real world.
