Bowles, because of his contract extension, had the pull to make the final call on the hiring of Grizzard
Isnt the timing off for this? I thought -- could be wrong - Grizz is promoted days ater Coen departure in January or maybe February, but extension not until June?
The Robinson hire was probably Licht's call because Bowles is hanging on by a thread at this point, but that wasn't true.
No. I believe Bowles still makes coach hiring decisions… Licht certainly has veto authority, and input into the process.
You are correct.Bowles, because of his contract extension, had the pull to make the final call on the hiring of Grizzard
Isnt the timing off for this? I thought -- could be wrong - Grizz is promoted days ater Coen departure in January or maybe February, but extension not until June?
The committment to Bowles for a longer term was made as soon as they chose to keep him instead of making Coen the HC. The contract extension was inevitable once that decision was made.You are correct.Bowles, because of his contract extension, had the pull to make the final call on the hiring of Grizzard
Isnt the timing off for this? I thought -- could be wrong - Grizz is promoted days ater Coen departure in January or maybe February, but extension not until June?
Glazers made the og mistake extending Bowles. Coen never should have left Tampa. Bowles stayed because of his friendship with the glazers, Licht and arians. Must be nice to own a team and not give a crap about winning.
The committment to Bowles for a longer term was made as soon as they chose to keep him instead of making Coen the HC. The contract extension was inevitable once that decision was made.You are correct.Bowles, because of his contract extension, had the pull to make the final call on the hiring of Grizzard
Isnt the timing off for this? I thought -- could be wrong - Grizz is promoted days ater Coen departure in January or maybe February, but extension not until June?
So maybe somewhere close to that? Yes, keeping him over Coen is surely a sign of having the owners and GM in your corner. I took the later extension a realization that that Canales was basically the only candidate, Coen then hired and leaves, quickly add Grizz, so later extension was to help Licht and Bowles going forward by signaling stability to the outisdeworld
Who knows though?
I agree. To say the mistake was choosing Bowles over Coen doesn't tell the whole story. I'm a Licht fan, but frankly the mistake is Licht's value of loyalty over talent. It would have been out of the box to fire Bowles to promote Coen, especially for a guy like Licht who's calling card is trust and relationship building and that trickles down through the organization. How can building trust and relationships be a fault? Well, in this case that character trait caused him to stick with Bowles and that started the domino effect - contract extensions of Bowles and Licht, hiring of Grizzard, Grizzard falling flat, and then Glazers sticking with Bowles because of that extension. It all stems from Licht's philosophy. Obviously, hindsight is 20-20, but the fact is that if Licht had taken the cold-blooded approach and taken personal loyalty out of the equation we'd have Coen as the HC right now and perhaps we'd have had a deep run in the playoffs. As you say - who knows? But Licht isn't going to change, for better or worse. A lot of times it is for the better. Not this time.The committment to Bowles for a longer term was made as soon as they chose to keep him instead of making Coen the HC. The contract extension was inevitable once that decision was made.You are correct.Bowles, because of his contract extension, had the pull to make the final call on the hiring of Grizzard
Isnt the timing off for this? I thought -- could be wrong - Grizz is promoted days ater Coen departure in January or maybe February, but extension not until June?
So maybe somewhere close to that? Yes, keeping him over Coen is surely a sign of having the owners and GM in your corner. I took the later extension a realization that that Canales was basically the only candidate, Coen then hired and leaves, quickly add Grizz, so later extension was to help Licht and Bowles going forward by signaling stability to the outisdeworld
Who knows though?
Should have fired the defensive coordinator.
To say the mistake was choosing Bowles over Coen doesn't tell the whole story. I'm a Licht fan, but frankly the mistake is Licht's value of loyalty over talent. It would have been out of the box to fire Bowles to promote Coen, especially for a guy like Licht who's calling card is trust and relationship building and that trickles down through the organization. How can building trust and relationships be a fault? Well, in this case that character trait caused him to stick with Bowles and that started the domino effect - contract extensions of Bowles and Licht, hiring of Grizzard, Grizzard falling flat, and then Glazers sticking with Bowles because of that extension. It all stems from Licht's philosophy.
Ultimately, the Glazers decide on hiring or firing the HC. There is nothing wrong with Licht's philosophy, in general. It’s a problem now because they are in a collective delusion about Todd’s head coaching capabilities. They may be partly afraid of going back to the ugly times of revolving door head coaches. At least they’re now regarded as a well-run organization and not an annual joke like the Browns or Jets or Cardinals. There’s no point in changing head coaches unless you're hiring the right guy. That said, it was obviously a mistake to let Coen walk out the door.
I disagree. The Glazers put their faith in Licht. That's evidenced by them giving the extension to both Licht and Bowles at the same time. And by not firing Bowles after last season they're basically saying to Licht "You wanted him you got him. We're not changing our mind after six months." The Glazers will pull rank if they have to, but I don't see any reason to think they didn't put their full faith in Licht's decisions. The only time they may have pulled rank is by refusing to fire Bowles after last season because the ink was barely dry on the extensions, but more likely it was Licht and Glazers both who thought it was too soon to abandon the plan.To say the mistake was choosing Bowles over Coen doesn't tell the whole story. I'm a Licht fan, but frankly the mistake is Licht's value of loyalty over talent. It would have been out of the box to fire Bowles to promote Coen, especially for a guy like Licht who's calling card is trust and relationship building and that trickles down through the organization. How can building trust and relationships be a fault? Well, in this case that character trait caused him to stick with Bowles and that started the domino effect - contract extensions of Bowles and Licht, hiring of Grizzard, Grizzard falling flat, and then Glazers sticking with Bowles because of that extension. It all stems from Licht's philosophy.
Ultimately, the Glazers decide on hiring or firing the HC. There is nothing wrong with Licht's philosophy, in general. It’s a problem now because they are in a collective delusion about Todd’s head coaching capabilities. They may be partly afraid of going back to the ugly times of revolving door head coaches. At least they’re now regarded as a well-run organization and not an annual joke like the Browns or Jets or Cardinals. There’s no point in changing head coaches unless you're hiring the right guy. That said, it was obviously a mistake to let Coen walk out the door.
Bowles stated that the Bucs did not have the luxury of time to spend two or three years while Griz developed play calling skills. That's true. Why did Bowles hire him then?
Hmm...
I wonder why...
The committment to Bowles for a longer term was made as soon as they chose to keep him instead of making Coen the HC. The contract extension was inevitable once that decision was made.You are correct.Bowles, because of his contract extension, had the pull to make the final call on the hiring of Grizzard
Isnt the timing off for this? I thought -- could be wrong - Grizz is promoted days ater Coen departure in January or maybe February, but extension not until June?
That's not the "actual" reason he was extended with a raise.
We've gone over this.
It all stems from Licht's philosophy.
Or the Glazers' philosophy, which seems to be the way you are describing Licht. Maybe they are the same
They may be partly afraid of going back to the ugly times of revolving door head coaches. At least they’re now regarded as a well-run organization and not an annual joke like the Browns or Jets or Cardinals. There’s no point in changing head coaches unless you're hiring the right guy.
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