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(@bucsbits)
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Weird mental gymnastics.  It's like some are worried about their standing in the Bowles Hater Club or the Coen Ball Washing Club. 

Admitting the  defense over performed in one key game (a statistical fact) doesn't mean you love Bowles

 

Admitting the offense underperformed in one key game (a statistical fact) doesn't mean Coen sucked. 

No need to make up dumb shit like "derp how many punts"


 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2026 8:27 am
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Guys...it's not that we are defending Bowles (well except maybe some are) by blaming the offense for choking (performing below their average, and below NFL norms average)

The offense was the clear reason for the Bucs success in 2024.  Without it, they are likely not a playoff team or certainly not a double digit win team.  That said, the offense choked the game away in the playoffs

Similarly, the Jaguars were riding an 8 game win streak heading into the 2025 playoffs.  They were averaging 34 points a game.  They lost their game 27-24 with 2 INTs.  Would also suggest the offense choked away that game.

Listen, this isn't a neg at Liam Coen as i wish we had him; it's just....starting to see a trend here folks!

Both can be true - The Bucs defense has gotten worse each year from 2023, the Bucs had a monumental collapse and there is NO WAY that Todd Bowles should still be employed by the Bucs 

AND

the Bucs offense let us down BIGLY in the 4th quarter of that playoff game.  This isn't saying the defense was great.....but to put the loss on the defense when the offense hellen kellered the 4th quarter is certainly not being objective. 


 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2026 8:29 am
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Definitely fair to say that Bowles strategy (a good one with what the Bucs defense was) played a role in the loss because the offense didn't do its normal early scoring long drives. If Coens offense performs like it did often and scores early then with that lead the "bend don't break" really works because the Commanders can't keep up. 

team sport. All units matter. Coaching matters. Game plan matters 


 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2026 8:31 am
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Posted by: @jc5100

Posted by: @biggs3535

Posted by: @jc5100

The fumble dropped the Bucs win probability from 76% to 45%

It was 71.6% to 51.1%, per ESPN Analytics.

But yes, when the defense gets turnovers, it helps their team win. How many turnovers did Tampa's defense get that game? Is it the same number of punts they forced?

 

Offense fumbled at their own 13 up 17-13 in the 4th qtr. Blaming the defense is maximum Bowles Derangement Syndrome 

 

Allow me to answer, since you forgot to:

Zero forced turnovers.

Zero forced punts.

55% conversion allowed on 3rd/4th down.

Marvelous defensive performance.

 


 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2026 8:33 am
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And yet the Commanders only had 13 points before the 4th qtr fumble 

 

 


 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2026 9:07 am
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And yet the Commanders only had 13 points before the 4th qtr fumble 

And then they scored 10 points on their next two drives.

If only the game ended with 12 minutes left in the fourth quarter. Unfortunately, it does not.

 


 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2026 9:16 am
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Posted by: @biggs3535

Posted by: @jc5100

And yet the Commanders only had 13 points before the 4th qtr fumble 

And then they scored 10 points on their next two drives.

If only the game ended with 12 minutes left in the fourth quarter. Unfortunately, it does not.

 

Calling a possession that started on the 13 yard line a “drive”? 

Just take this L and learn from it. Not everything is Bowles fault. 

 


 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2026 9:22 am
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Posted by: @jc5100

Calling a possession that started on the 13 yard line a “drive”? 

What do football professionals like yourself call it?

Was the following 10-play, game-winning FG drive a "drive" or was that something else too?


 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2026 9:26 am
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Posted by: @biggs3535

Posted by: @jc5100

Calling a possession that started on the 13 yard line a “drive”? 

What do football professionals like yourself call it?

 

Clusterfuck by the offense 

 


 
Posted : Mar. 20, 2026 9:28 am
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