imagine an 11-6 record and a playoff win; maybe he gets some credit
Maybe, but I would not be so sure because many fans are posting in support of their pre-existing belief
The Bucs made the playoffs in 2023 and beat the Eagles . . but the "playoffs didnt mater" and the "Eagles were in collapse." Those kind of posts came often from people who wanted Bowles fired in 2022 . . and 2023 and 2024 . . .
This year is hard to watch because none of these teams are dominant.
If we had kept Coen, and improved the front seven we could have made it even with Bowles limitations.
Tough
This year is hard to watch because none of these teams are dominant.
If we had kept Coen, and improved the front seven we could have made it even with Bowles limitations.
Yes. They might have needed a little better luck with injuries, but yes I agree.
And I know people will disagree with this but one way the owners might have rationalized keeping him is the point you are making. In fact, one of the ex-Bucs (Booger?) made the point the other day that a HC shouldn't be expected to go 3-0 on offensive coordinators (Canales, Coen . . . Grizzard), suggesting he gets a break with Grizzard because he hit on the other two. The teams problems are deeper than OC and Bowles is part of the problem, but its not a stretch to imagine that Glazers with that line of thinking, ESPECIALLY if Bowles has the backing of Licht (he sure seems to) and of Arians (he sure seems to).
The Glazers, Licht and Arians probably think that with a better OC, better/younger talent on defense and a little better luck with injuries, the Bucs are right there. Not saying I agree, just describing the possible thought process.
imagine an 11-6 record and a playoff win; maybe he gets some credit
Maybe, but I would not be so sure because many fans are posting in support of their pre-existing belief
The Bucs made the playoffs in 2023 and beat the Eagles . . but the "playoffs didnt mater" and the "Eagles were in collapse." Those kind of posts came often from people who wanted Bowles fired in 2022 . . and 2023 and 2024 . . .
i wanted Bowles fired after 2022
i warmed up to him in 2023 and 2024, was actually considered a Bowles Bro; 2025 was an absolute disaster which proved all the Bowles naysayers correctly
in 2026, Bucs would need to make playoffs and with 11 wins or more to show he's a changed coach. Let's say the offense carries them again, defense bottom half of league, and Robinson getting head coaching play; Bucs need to learn from the Coen issue and have Bowles retire himself
absolute disaster which proved all the Bowles naysayers correctly
Not sure about that because coaches are not all good or all bad. They are mostly in between. So Bowles in 2023 is a success, in part because, because of his coaching style and then a probably failure in 2025 for the same reason.
Ultimately, a defensive head coach cant survive with an underperforming defense. I agree that he needs a successful 2026 to keep going. What is successful might be subject to different views
The fundamental problem isn't that the Bucs chose to bypass the hire of Coen because that was the topic of last off season. This off season the Bucs ownership and FO chose to not make changes at HC this off season and also hired an OC who is not even ready to step in as a HC if Bowles decides to retire or is asked to step down the following season. If not hiring Coen was strike 1 then not hiring a new HC this off season is strike 2 and not hiring and OC that can step into the HC role at some point is strike 3.
There is nothing in Robinson's resume that says he can step in and be a HC down the line. That is the problem folks.
If Raheem had hired a competent OC then he is still the Falcons HC.
There is nothing in Robinson's resume that says he can step in and be a HC down the line.
the "heir apparent" is a fan construct though, right? the Bucs never said they were trying to hire a HC-in-waiting for Bowles.
Hell if Bowles gets the team to the playoffs he's probably back again lol
