BREAKING NEWS: WINSTON TO MISS A COUPLE WEEKS WITH SHOULDER INJURY

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Trevor Sikkema

Trevor Sikkema is the Tampa Bay Buccaneers beat reporter and NFL Draft analyst for PewterReport.com. Sikkema, an alumnus of the University of Florida, has covered both college and professional football for much of his career. As a native of the Sunshine State, when he's not buried in social media, Sikkema can be found out and active, attempting to be the best athlete he never was. Sikkema can be reached at: [email protected]

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    billbyrne

    ALL good points and well taken Trevor. I am and have been a big Doug Martin fan and supporter and I pray he can overcome his personal problems and have a productive year for the Bucs. From a business standpoint, I think the Bucs have made a mistake and should have drafted or traded for a big, down hill running back for 2017. Running back by committee never works and that is one area the Bucs have not addressed. All the successful running games in the NFL are built around “big backs” not scatbacks. The Tennessee Titans are a perfect example and a good running game takes off pressure from the OL and quarterback and I am not convinced that Winston is ready to fill the expectations the media, coaches, players and fans have placed on him for this year.

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      Trevor Sikkema

      I think they made a mistake paying Martin all the money they did, but I wouldn’t say running backs by committee don’t work. Sure, there are examples of bad running back committees that failed, but the Falcons have a successful one-two punch with Freeman and Coleman. The Panthers did with Williams and Stewart. And of course the Patriots have for forever.

      I think committees work. Some backs will get more carries than others in a rotation, but I still think a “rushing attack” can have just as much success as a feature back used to depend on. Keeps things fresh and the defense guessing when it contains the right pieces.

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      toofamiliar17

      I’m going to say what trevor is too constrained due to his position to say – this is a rough comment, man. As Trevor said, there are many examples of successful RB by committee approaches. In addition to the ones he named, I’d add that the Bengals have had some success with Hill+Bernard and the Chargers would have been dynamic with Gordon+Woodhead had the latter not gotten hurt early last year. On a lower level, the Chiefs with West and Ware, and the Browns with Crowell and Duke have both gotten good production out of the position.

      As for smaller backs leading rushing attacks – I dunno, have you heard of LeSean McCoy?

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      toofamiliar17

      And anyways, I’m not sure what your scat back point is about even if it was true, since Doug is an incredibly stout 223 pounds, which puts him at essentially the same weight of guys like Le’Veon Bell, David Johnson, Zeke Elliott, and many, many other RBs in the league right now. He’s built very much as a power back, which goes perfectly with the fact that he led the league in all of broken tackles, yards after contact, and yards after contact per rush in 2015. When he’s right, Doug is an absolute tackle breaking machine.

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    chetthevette

    I have been a Doug fan since he has been in Tampa. When others were calling for his head I called for giving him another shot. It may seem that we are mollycoddling some players, not true. Trevor said it, playing running back is hard duty. I’m amazed these guys last as long as they do. He gives his all every time he touches the ball, sure he gets hurt. That’s where back ups come in. Is Simms going to make the squad? I personally don’t think so. I see Quizz and Barber and McNichols handling duties until Martin comes off of his suspension.
    Mistake paying Martin those big $ ? I don’t know and don’t care. Unless the Glazers are willing to give me a cool million the finances just don’t interest me. Yes it’s fun to see how much the cap is during free agency, but that’s all the interests me about the money.
    A lot of fans gripe about how much cash these guys rake in. But we never hear about or gripe about how much other entertainers earn. Just for perspective Elvis made 50 million, and he’s freakin’ dead. Springsteen has averaged 100 million per years for along time. How’s that for bank!!!
    In the end I’m rooting for THE DOUGERNATOR!!!!!!!
    GO BUCS

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    California Buc

    I think McNichols should start the first 3 games, the ones that Doug Martin cant. Then split the carries between the two for a while, whoever performs better gets the keys to the car, and Rodgers as the occasional 3rd down guy. I would honestly rather have McNichols starting for his blocking, but whoever performs better. If there is no fine print leader between the two, then continue to split carries. The Falcons are doing just fine with Freeman and Coleman in a similar system, could work out well for us.

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      Bschucher

      How can you call for this guy to start before he has even practiced as a buc yet?

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    David DeLeon

    I hope Rodgers starts weeks 1-3 Sims and mcnichols can rotate, after that Dougie starts and Sims gets the shirt stick.
    Good article

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    nitey

    Good article as always Trev. Until camp starts, there really isn’t any way to figure out who should be where and how many carries they should get. I’m hoping that McNichols shines in camp and can start the season as the co-number 1 with Rodgers and get some valuable experience for when Doug gets back. And speaking of Doug, I’ve been behind him as well, but I do think the Bucs need to renegotiate his current contract.

    As to Sims, I’ve honestly never liked him as a running back so I really don’t know what to say about him other than he must know that Jeremy is there to compete with him for his 3rd down role as a specialist. If he can step up his game, everyone wins.

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    cobraboy

    I’m not sure there is anything to “rework” in his contract. Generally, when contracts are redone, money is shifted around for salary cap reasons. Martin has nothing left to restructure because he got his $$$ up front and what is left isn’t guaranteed.

    If “reworked” means less money, I’m pretty sure the Bucs would have to put him on waivers first to void his current deal, and he’d be an unrestricted Free Agent. I doubt he would clear waivers, but if he did there is nothing that says he’d be a Buc.

    Additionally, such shenanigans would not go over well with the rest of the “family” in the locker room.

    The Bucs have no salary cap problems at all. I suspect they will just pay him and expect top performance. If the team doesn’t get their money’s worth, he’s released before 2018 with 3 years left on his deal.

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      BucWild02

      Exactly right Cobra

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    Jordan Chavez

    Weeks 1-3
    1. Rodgers
    2. McNichols
    and 3rd down back Simms

    Weeks 4+
    1. Martin
    2. McNichols
    3. Rodgers
    and 3rd down back Simms

    I think once Martin gets back you should play him as the lead (15 touches a game) and play McNichols and Rodgers based on defensive scheme and whoever has the hot hand.
    But I think Simms will do great this year as the third down back. Just think back to that TD play he had against ATL week 1 last year… With all the weapons this year Simms is going to be matched up with the weaker LB in coverage from opposing defenses with zero help. Simms can play all over the formation and should be able to capitalize on that.

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    macabee

    I would do nothing to the Doug Martin contract this year. Now hold on before you start rushing to the idiot button – let me explain. The Doug Martin contract is in force (a legal term of art). The contract has not been voided – by virtue of Doug’s drug suspension, the guaranteed money is just no longer guaranteed which means the contract can be terminated at any time without cause and no further compensation is owed. They should cut him or keep him! If he has a good camp and preseason, they should keep him!

    Doug Martin signed a 5 year, $35,750,000 contract with the Bucs, including $15,000,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $7,150,000. In 2017, Martin will earn a base salary of $5,764,706. (from Spotrac).

    NFL players are paid in 16 game checks over the season. If you follow the math, that is $360,294 per game. Because he is suspended, Doug will not receive the first three checks. Following the 3rd game of the season, Doug is literally on a week to week contract for the duration of the term. He will have the sword of Damocles over his head where he must perform to or above expectations or face termination each week. He must come each week incented to make his money and motivated to keep his job – perfect player encouragement and team hedge against further pay for non-performance. If he performs, fine. It‘s what they originally contracted for. If not, he’s gone.

    The Bucs hold all the cards, Doug can go nowhere or do nothing until he is a free agent in 2019 as the contract remains in force with no guarantees. At year’s end, the Bucs will either have a pro bowl player, a tradeable asset to a team who may want to restructure, or a terminated RB at no cost to them.

    You enter into contract negotiations to restructure you allow his agents to have voice where they have none now. Doug acquires bargaining power where he had none before. They wouldn’t attempt to restructure if they didn’t want him – his agents will know this. If Doug had a good camp, he’ll have more NFL demand than unproven Jeremy McNichols. Nothing says he has to agree to a pay cut.

    At year’s end, the Bucs will know what they have in Jeremy McNichols and Peyton Barber going forward or they can set their sights on Saquon Barkley/Penn State, Derrius Guice/LSU, Nick Chubb/UGA, Bo Scarborough/Bama or Royce Freeman/Oregon in the 2018 draft. Not a problem! Go Bucs!

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    Horse

    Should’ve, could’ve, would’ve, means zero at this point. Coaches will decide who will be the starter and who’s the next man up. There it is.

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    yuccaneers

    From a business perspective the organization is in a win/win situation and one of the best they possibly could be.

    1. Doug Martin is fighting to keep himself relaxant and in the big money contract conversation
    2. Charles Sims is fight for a second contract in the league, if not with the Bucs than some other NFL team
    3. Peyton Barber and Jeremy McNichols are fighting for a roster spot and playing time
    4. Jacquizz Rodgers is an insurance policy taken out against the first three

    Think the Bucs carry Rodgers, Sims, Barber & McNichols to start the season with Martin on the Commissioners Suspended List. Martin is available Week 4 and things are reevaluated – potentiality the surplus become tradable pieces to a team who succumbs to a litany of injuries at the position – if the team deems compensation is fair and a player not to be in their long term plans….

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    scubog

    We all seem to have forgotten about Russel Hansbrough, Blake Sims and fullbacks Austin Johnson and Quayvon Hicks. I guess these guys should just seek other employment now and avoid the rigors of Training Camp. Heck, Peyton Barber might as well hit the exit with them. Who knows if one of these players will surprise?

    There’s little doubt in my mind that the Bucs will take a cautious approach and go with who the team feels is more of a known entity. That means Rodgers will likely start the season while Martin is suspended and then ease #22 back in the line-up in week 4. Knowing the team likes Charles Sims (note only one m) I suspect he remains on the team unless or until he gets injured. That leaves Barber and McNichols to duel it out for the right to be on the 53 man roster or the Practice Squad.

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    martinii

    This is why I enjoy Pewter Report over all other Buc related sites. There is not only quality, well written articles but excellent debate and insights from the comment section. It has been my opinion so far this offseason that the Buc’s are really in a no lose situation with Martin. There is a 40% chance we get the Pro Bowl Doug Martin back, a 20% chance we get a top rated rotational player, a 20% chance we get an average back-up player and a 20% chance he gets cut. Please be advised this is just my opinion and there is absolutely no valid studies to support my opinion. I agree we need to see how Barber, Hansbrough, Sims and our fullbacks factor in during training camp, Rodgers is the key during the first 3 weeks while Charles Sims and McNichols compete. I depend on the coaches to decide if Doug regains his starting status in week 4 (I hope he does.) Finally based on his film and the fact he is a rookie not named Zeke Elliott or DougMartin he is a year away from competing for a starting job. (Unless the injury bug really hits us again)

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    cobraboy

    Just from the clips above it’s clear why Martin was a #1 and McNichols a #5 round pick.

    Martin, even in college, was the superior running back.

    The Bucs can grind with Martin. McNichols won’t be a grinder.

    And while Trevor describes McNichols as “patient” in the Bell mode, the difference is when Bell makes his cut he blasts. I don’t see that with McNichols.

    McNichols skillset much more like Simms that Martin.

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    plopes808

    As always, great in-depth analysis. I wasn’t too sure about this pick but feel much better about it now. The Dougernaught has to still be the guy holding the keys as of week 4 (unless someone has a big break out in games 1-3.) His deal will be restructured at a more financially feasibly rate, and I think he will come to earn it. After him, I’d say Mcnichols and Sims should be splitting the carries until one stands out above the other. Rodgers will no doubt be Martin’s place keeper for the first 3 games and performed admirably last year in the same role. He is our insurance policy but not a long term option.

    My prediction, Doug keeps the starting job followed by Mcnichols and either Barber or Sims depending on performance. I like Barber more than most seem to here on PR. I’d be very happy with Martin, Mcnichols, and Barber moving forward. As I stated earlier, we still have the insurance policy of Rodgers for 2017.

    Either way, I look forward to the resurgence of the run game and return of the Dougernaught! Our passing attack will keep defenses so occupied that our runners will have more chances to make some big plays. As the kids on Twitter would say…#SiegeTheDay #Playoffs2017

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    Mr. Incredible

    Just glad to see Doug back online mentally. He’s a monster when he’s on. Many of us were knuckleheads in our 20s. I’m glad the bucs are giving him a chance to make good. The jury is out on mcnichols.

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      scubog

      Nice looking family Mr. Incredible

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    drdneast

    As usual macabee,, you use reason over emotion to make your decisions and your point,
    And unlike Trevor, you aren’t concerned about what billionaires pay millionaires.
    As I have said before, the Bucs are way under the cap so why worry about how much money he is making. It’s not like the Bucs are going to cut season ticket prices if they cut his contract by a million or two.
    I have no idea how McNichols is going to perform at the NFL level so why would I even start a depth chart with him.
    It is apparent that Martin and Rogers are the 1-2 RB’s on the team with the rest of the slots to be fought out over during training camp.
    I’m not a big fan of Sims as far as a runner since he juked around way to much in the backfield last year but perhaps with better blocking that might improve.
    Barber showed some promise and had one good game against the 49ers who I think my overage and overweight sister could have run against.
    What would be great is if we had a Mr. August appear like Ernest Graham did.
    The RB battle should be a good position to showcase on that stupid Hard Knocks program.

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    Alldaway 2.0

    I don’t see it as a negative if McNichols and Sims keep their leg churning to turn a guaranteed TFL situation to a possible gain. An analogy I like to use is with QB’s that don’t give up on plays and keep plays alive ala Favre. Winston falls into that category where sometimes it can lead to bad situations but more often than not it is a positive.

    What I like about McNichols is his patience as a runner which is similar to what Barber does. Difference is McNichols has real break away speed. Also, McNichols shows more YAC within five yards than Martin. And Martin is a prolifc YAC back 5 yards and beyond.

    That is why if there is constant penetration Martin’s YPC average will always be sub par as he needs momentum to reach full speed. Other backs like Rodgers, Barber and McNichols are not like that which is why they can turn TFL situations into positive gains. They do that by reading, planting and then accelerating north/south.

    As for Martin’s contract. If I am the Bucs they should do nothing with it this season and be patient for the upcoming off season to re-evaluate contract.

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    magoobee

    I would have renegotiated the contract long ago. Low base with lots of incentives. Now that Martin looks good, he has more leverage.

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    fredster

    Rodgers will carry load when Doug is out. Knows offense,Koetter, and is trusted vet that never loses yards. I suspect Sims will be no.2 and share some carries/pass plays too.

    When Doug comes back he will be starter of course. At that point will be interesting to see if Sims is still the guy that gets some carries/pass plays or they go different route. Sims is very specialized. Doesn’t do lot of things well. Plus he gets hurt and isn’t very physical IMO.

    We have lot options and RB’s. Good posistion for Bucs to be in.

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